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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy 2C-D Thread - Please Insert Second Disc

Funnily enough, I don't get headaches often and when I do they're mild, but 2C-D is one of the few psychedelics that reliably give me a next day headache.
 
Had another go with the substance recently, at 30 mg 2C-D HCl p.o.. It does manifest itself as just as much of an ally as 2C-B. There are many similarities, as they are both mild (in the respective dose range, at higher doses, 2C-D packs a punch ime), but 2C-D leans more towards the introspective/neutral, while 2C-B is more heart-warming/soul-touching for me. Took it in the morning to a long hike, took 3.5 h from intake to complete baseline again. I suspect the duration is quite dose sensitive, as doses in the 50 mg range seemed to be more in the realm of 5 h for the duration. Didn't have any major realisations, rather than just reminders of flaws I already know I have and struggle with. Will keep on working on myself.

But it gave me a nice energy, reconnected me with nature (to the point of almost crying being overwhelmed by the beauty of the forest). And it once again showed me it is the little, friendlier brother of 2C-E: right at the peak, I had also climbed an elevated point of the rocky area (was a bit dangerous, 20 - 25 mg would've been more responsible for the area) and was greeted by a magnificent view in 2C-E oil painting style, with little peacock eyes in the trees of the valley. That was astoundingly visually active for the rather small dose!

Good stuff! And aside from a few weird body signals during the come-up, zero bodyload, zero nausea, zero aftermath, no headache, nada! Get your prescription now!
 
I'm fascinated by people finding any similarity between 2C-D and 2C-E. For me, 2C-D is a brisk wind, a bracing slug of iced tea on a hot day, the smell of fresh orange rind. 2C-E is an old scratchy wool sock drug off as bedding to a wolf's den..
 
I'm very much struggling with your poetic metaphors, but I agree that (for me anyway) 2C-D and 2C-E feel worlds different. I don't think 2C-E really has a little brother. Certainly nothing I've tried is very much like it at all. It has a tremendous depth and intensity. It is perhaps the least recreational of the common phenethylamines. I haven't tried 2C-P yet, but I plan to soon so will be able to compare all three.
 
iom said:
I haven't tried 2C-P yet, but I plan to soon so will be able to compare all three.
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I found 2c-p to be more harder for the mind and the body than 2c-e. I can See doing 2c-e as a Tool for introspection for which it has its uses. 2c-p otoh is just too much, didnt like it at all. I would even go that far as to Call it a torture psychedelic. 2c-d is a much calmer and more relaxed version than the both afore mentioned, i liked it but only had around 25mgs which wasnt enough for full effects.
 
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iom said:
I'm very much struggling with your poetic metaphors, but I agree that (for me anyway) 2C-D and 2C-E feel worlds different. I don't think 2C-E really has a little brother. Certainly nothing I've tried is very much like it at all. It has a tremendous depth and intensity. It is perhaps the least recreational of the common phenethylamines. I haven't tried 2C-P yet, but I plan to soon so will be able to compare all three.
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How about?
2C-D is cotton candy at the carnival.
2C-E is primal scream therapy

For me, they feel only passingly related to each other.
 
For me, the 3 alkylated 2C's have very much the same underlying character, but that character is extremely magnified and precise in 2C-E, is smoothed out and lengthened in 2C-P, and is made small, compact and soft in 2C-D.

You see a lot of that character in mescaline too IMO, but the character in mescaline is more full-bodied - it encapsulates the character of the alkylated 2C's and then some, and with low magnification of this broader character.
 
Pfafffed said:
I'm fascinated by people finding any similarity between 2C-D and 2C-E. For me, 2C-D is a brisk wind, a bracing slug of iced tea on a hot day, the smell of fresh orange rind. 2C-E is an old scratchy wool sock drug off as bedding to a wolf's den..
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I do admit that part of my conclusion may be tainted by bias, wanting to put all the 4-alkyl 2Cs into one neat box. Yes, the occasionally always brutal effects of 2C-E (I liken it to heavy psychedelic storm) are in stark contrast to the comfortable sea breeze that is 2C-D. But regardless of their structural closeness, they feel to me like part of the same family - it's just that 2C-E never learned to behave and knock on the door before entering! And sometimes this is a good thing, because you really needed to know what the hell it wants to scream at you... But I think 2C-D tells me the same kind of messages, and mostly they seem to stick too. It's just going way friendlier about it and thus I'm more inclined to trust it as an ally. Also, currently I am far more inclined to opt for shorter and milder trips for a variety of reasons. Should really do more tripping and less distractions (stimulants) though. And while this is obviously dose-related, 2C-E and 2C-D were the only two phenethylamines yet to give me the impression that full ego-death is possible on them.

I hold the capabilities of 2C-D in high regards and will die on the hill it has much of the qualities of 2C-E with less of the disadvantages that come along with that one.

Haven't yet tried 2C-P, so no idea if I think it fits into the same family. Unlike perpetualdown, I don't see much similarities between mescaline (or scalines in general) and 2C-D/2C-E. There is something of grand, celestial, sparkly, magic energy with mescaline, and I just don't see it to the same extent in 2C-E/2C-D. They are less spiritual to me, more about myself and how I fit into the world, whereas mescaline grants me a place in the universe. Although, my latest 2C-E trip I felt completely at peace with the universe too... before it absolutely crushed me and had torn me apart!

This is all hard to pinpoint and needs years of more research, of course!
 
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I'm with you that mescaline feels quite distinct from all the 2C-X I've tried, yet the phenethylamines I've had all seem more similar to one another than to LSD or any tryptamines I've had. Others might disagree with me here of course. I'm going to have to book time for a 30 mg 2C-D trip somewhere in my busy schedule because I've only had one other experience above 20 mg.

My first time with 2C-D when I was much younger was at 50 mg, and I was disappointed. I had quite rough body load coming up for a trip that was only intense for about half-an-hour---not really long enough to settle in and do anything useful. The visuals were intense but somehow very boring to the point of being annoying. There was a lot of color cycling going on, and it looked a bit like a cheap "8-bit" effect. After that half hour, I felt like I was coming down and tried to smoke more cannabis to bring it back, but instead the weed just made me feel even more clear headed. We had hiked up a mountain trail on the come-up, and on the way down, I felt like I was incredibly enhanced. I had perfect dexterity and was able to slide down patches of ice and snow gracefully and effortlessly. I felt super precise, like I was in complete control, and it was an amazing feeling. Occasionally I stopped to look at the scenery which was still color cycling, but otherwise I didn't really even feel like I was tripping or intoxicated.

I was disappointed because I expected more from 50 mg, and furthermore, if I'd had that kind of a come-up (body load wise) on 2C-E, I would have been tripping hard for several hours. On the other hand, the incredible cognitive headspace in the 2C-D plateau keeps me coming back to it, and that quality is worlds different from what I get from 2C-E. A few other psychedelics hint at it, for example LSD, 2C-T-2, and 2C-I. Nothing comes close to 2C-D though. Too bad even 20 mg gives me some rough early trip body load, but I'm still going to try 30 mg some day to see if I can discover more with better set and setting. Otherwise it's certainly interesting for what it does it I have an appropriate application.

Alas, what motivated me to hit "Reply" was the discussion about 2C-E, but I should probably post those thoughts in the 2C-E thread. I definitely vote for more psychedelics and less stimulants. When you get to them, II look forward to hearing your thoughts on some other psychedelics like 2C-T-2.
 
For another mini-report, and to document my process of trying to understand how to use this substance. This goes to show how important set/setting are (duh!). A week beforehand I had wasted my time with mephedrone (and with ample time for metabolism) had my first trial with Aleph at 2.8 mg.

(with 47 mg) After failing with the task (related to psychedelics/drugs) I had set for the day due to impatience, I got disappointed in myself. The previous days I had decided that it would be time for another more psychedelic journey, and I had either a ~50 mg of 2C-D or some 12 - 14 mg 2C-E in mind. As it was late in the evening, I had just eaten and because 2C-D is more amicable, the decision was easy. Originally, there was a plan to trip on this weekend, this was thwarted by some complications and then spontaneously decided for it again. Maybe not the best circumstances, as it seems like I need some preparation these days.

Anyways, the 2C-D was taken and this time it punished me with a bit of nausea, which was expected due to the meal being so close to ingestion. Otherwise the body was fine, except for some neck tension. But after the come up, I did not end up in any even somewhat comfortable mental state. I questioned many of my choices and actions, but without coming to any real solutions. Looking into the mirror, which under the influence often fills me with self-acceptance and love, despite my many short-comings, had the polar opposite result. I looked at a very tired and disappointed version of myself, with blue eye rings (not the case when sober!). I came to the realisation that I may still be deep in depression, despite claiming the opposite for most of the last year. Have I lied to myself? In any case, it became clear that there are some deeply routed flaws, and that I wouldn't get any wiser from further trips. I was disappointed in myself for wasting so much time with drugs, even with psychedelics. Why do I always need a new toy? Aren't the old toys enough? Haven't I found enough tools now to look into myself? When would I start actually applying what I learned? It feels disheartening, as I seem to lack the strength and time is running. I also realised the amount of self-isolation and dangers that come with my interest for all drugs.

I should probably try to strengthen old friendships and build new ones. And I need to spend the time that seems flying nowadays more efficiently and structured. The rest of the trip was spent mostly distracting myself, which may not have been the best choice. Maybe I should've tried pondering the enigma that I am to myself more. When the danger for rekindling a psychedelic wildfire seemed low enough, thoughts were drowned out by vaporising some cannabis. The next day was spent lethargic and depressed. Now I have a cold and am naturally lethargic. Damn.
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I think I need some time off the drugs and really change some things. Not that this is a new realisation. But I keep failing. Wish life was more easy, lol. Hope I am able to implement some changes now, would prove the 2C-D really does enable to enact change within me. So far, seems like a more useful, less fun ally, overall. And no worries, it's quite unlikely I'll stay off the drugs completely... Just need to take some times to get my life back to priority number 1 and then the drugs can come some time...

Aside from these realisations, what I found interesting about this trip were two points:
A) The anti-drug nature. Quite interesting how psychedelics try to push me away from any drug consumption. Sure, there are some trips where it's all fun and I tell myself "I should do it more often", but many of my trips actively discourage me of any drug consumption, even against themselves. I find this property remarkable. Yet I come back! (And no, this is hardly a new realisation, but still...)

B) The trip felt quite weak. I've found with most 2Cs so far (and also scalines) that if I'm disappointed in myself, particularly for choosing to trip (in this case, I realised after the intake that maybe this was not the finest idea), then that I get what I call the 2C or scaline slap. It is mostly defined as an uncomfortable time (with the scalines in particular a high degree of nausea), confusion, wishing for the trip to be over. The trip is often also reduced in strength, i.e. no visuals or too much headspace. Most often there is no strong punishment, rather disappointment of wasting valuable material with an unsatisfying trip. Although in the end I hope for this trip to be really valuable in the long run. Time will tell.

By the way, this sort of lense on darker aspects of my character are also something I found in 2C-E and the reason why I find their nature somewhat similar. Still interested to try out 2C-P to complete the series. I can only hope it loses some of the sharpness of 2C-E, otherwise the length may turn unbearable for me!
 
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As this is n=1, an attempt at a repeat trial was made with similar headaches that couldn't be resolved by ibuprofen. Unfortunately, the solution was puked right out in a sudden attack of nausea caused by introducing anything to the stomach (even tap water without drug some hour later was expelled from the system right away). No effects of the 2C-D were felt and the headaches progressed with the usual strength until they naturally disappeared.
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n = 3 now, with just a 33 % success quote. The third time, I didn't puke immediately, but at a later point. I don't think the puking was due to the 2C-D, but it may have amplified some of the nausea either way. I did have a headache resolve with 2C-T though recently... This guy (me) will do anything not to go to a doctor to get triptans! :rolleyes:

It seems like some of my migraines can resolve by using phenethylamines (and others may be caused by it), but I don't know which is which and I should really get that checked out. My willingness to try just about anything to subdue the pain should be reason enough.
 
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This is a fairly dumb question, but you don't have a cluster headache diagnosis, right?
 
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