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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy 2C-D Thread - Please Insert Second Disc

Funnily enough, I don't get headaches often and when I do they're mild, but 2C-D is one of the few psychedelics that reliably give me a next day headache.
 
Had another go with the substance recently, at 30 mg 2C-D HCl p.o.. It does manifest itself as just as much of an ally as 2C-B. There are many similarities, as they are both mild (in the respective dose range, at higher doses, 2C-D packs a punch ime), but 2C-D leans more towards the introspective/neutral, while 2C-B is more heart-warming/soul-touching for me. Took it in the morning to a long hike, took 3.5 h from intake to complete baseline again. I suspect the duration is quite dose sensitive, as doses in the 50 mg range seemed to be more in the realm of 5 h for the duration. Didn't have any major realisations, rather than just reminders of flaws I already know I have and struggle with. Will keep on working on myself.

But it gave me a nice energy, reconnected me with nature (to the point of almost crying being overwhelmed by the beauty of the forest). And it once again showed me it is the little, friendlier brother of 2C-E: right at the peak, I had also climbed an elevated point of the rocky area (was a bit dangerous, 20 - 25 mg would've been more responsible for the area) and was greeted by a magnificent view in 2C-E oil painting style, with little peacock eyes in the trees of the valley. That was astoundingly visually active for the rather small dose!

Good stuff! And aside from a few weird body signals during the come-up, zero bodyload, zero nausea, zero aftermath, no headache, nada! Get your prescription now!
 
I'm fascinated by people finding any similarity between 2C-D and 2C-E. For me, 2C-D is a brisk wind, a bracing slug of iced tea on a hot day, the smell of fresh orange rind. 2C-E is an old scratchy wool sock drug off as bedding to a wolf's den..
 
I'm very much struggling with your poetic metaphors, but I agree that (for me anyway) 2C-D and 2C-E feel worlds different. I don't think 2C-E really has a little brother. Certainly nothing I've tried is very much like it at all. It has a tremendous depth and intensity. It is perhaps the least recreational of the common phenethylamines. I haven't tried 2C-P yet, but I plan to soon so will be able to compare all three.
 
iom said:
I haven't tried 2C-P yet, but I plan to soon so will be able to compare all three.
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I found 2c-p to be more harder for the mind and the body than 2c-e. I can See doing 2c-e as a Tool for introspection for which it has its uses. 2c-p otoh is just too much, didnt like it at all. I would even go that far as to Call it a torture psychedelic. 2c-d is a much calmer and more relaxed version than the both afore mentioned, i liked it but only had around 25mgs which wasnt enough for full effects.
 
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I'm very much struggling with your poetic metaphors, but I agree that (for me anyway) 2C-D and 2C-E feel worlds different. I don't think 2C-E really has a little brother. Certainly nothing I've tried is very much like it at all. It has a tremendous depth and intensity. It is perhaps the least recreational of the common phenethylamines. I haven't tried 2C-P yet, but I plan to soon so will be able to compare all three.
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How about?
2C-D is cotton candy at the carnival.
2C-E is primal scream therapy

For me, they feel only passingly related to each other.
 
For me, the 3 alkylated 2C's have very much the same underlying character, but that character is extremely magnified and precise in 2C-E, is smoothed out and lengthened in 2C-P, and is made small, compact and soft in 2C-D.

You see a lot of that character in mescaline too IMO, but the character in mescaline is more full-bodied - it encapsulates the character of the alkylated 2C's and then some, and with low magnification of this broader character.
 
Pfafffed said:
I'm fascinated by people finding any similarity between 2C-D and 2C-E. For me, 2C-D is a brisk wind, a bracing slug of iced tea on a hot day, the smell of fresh orange rind. 2C-E is an old scratchy wool sock drug off as bedding to a wolf's den..
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I do admit that part of my conclusion may be tainted by bias, wanting to put all the 4-alkyl 2Cs into one neat box. Yes, the occasionally always brutal effects of 2C-E (I liken it to heavy psychedelic storm) are in stark contrast to the comfortable sea breeze that is 2C-D. But regardless of their structural closeness, they feel to me like part of the same family - it's just that 2C-E never learned to behave and knock on the door before entering! And sometimes this is a good thing, because you really needed to know what the hell it wants to scream at you... But I think 2C-D tells me the same kind of messages, and mostly they seem to stick too. It's just going way friendlier about it and thus I'm more inclined to trust it as an ally. Also, currently I am far more inclined to opt for shorter and milder trips for a variety of reasons. Should really do more tripping and less distractions (stimulants) though. And while this is obviously dose-related, 2C-E and 2C-D were the only two phenethylamines yet to give me the impression that full ego-death is possible on them.

I hold the capabilities of 2C-D in high regards and will die on the hill it has much of the qualities of 2C-E with less of the disadvantages that come along with that one.

Haven't yet tried 2C-P, so no idea if I think it fits into the same family. Unlike perpetualdown, I don't see much similarities between mescaline (or scalines in general) and 2C-D/2C-E. There is something of grand, celestial, sparkly, magic energy with mescaline, and I just don't see it to the same extent in 2C-E/2C-D. They are less spiritual to me, more about myself and how I fit into the world, whereas mescaline grants me a place in the universe. Although, my latest 2C-E trip I felt completely at peace with the universe too... before it absolutely crushed me and had torn me apart!

This is all hard to pinpoint and needs years of more research, of course!
 
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I'm with you that mescaline feels quite distinct from all the 2C-X I've tried, yet the phenethylamines I've had all seem more similar to one another than to LSD or any tryptamines I've had. Others might disagree with me here of course. I'm going to have to book time for a 30 mg 2C-D trip somewhere in my busy schedule because I've only had one other experience above 20 mg.

My first time with 2C-D when I was much younger was at 50 mg, and I was disappointed. I had quite rough body load coming up for a trip that was only intense for about half-an-hour---not really long enough to settle in and do anything useful. The visuals were intense but somehow very boring to the point of being annoying. There was a lot of color cycling going on, and it looked a bit like a cheap "8-bit" effect. After that half hour, I felt like I was coming down and tried to smoke more cannabis to bring it back, but instead the weed just made me feel even more clear headed. We had hiked up a mountain trail on the come-up, and on the way down, I felt like I was incredibly enhanced. I had perfect dexterity and was able to slide down patches of ice and snow gracefully and effortlessly. I felt super precise, like I was in complete control, and it was an amazing feeling. Occasionally I stopped to look at the scenery which was still color cycling, but otherwise I didn't really even feel like I was tripping or intoxicated.

I was disappointed because I expected more from 50 mg, and furthermore, if I'd had that kind of a come-up (body load wise) on 2C-E, I would have been tripping hard for several hours. On the other hand, the incredible cognitive headspace in the 2C-D plateau keeps me coming back to it, and that quality is worlds different from what I get from 2C-E. A few other psychedelics hint at it, for example LSD, 2C-T-2, and 2C-I. Nothing comes close to 2C-D though. Too bad even 20 mg gives me some rough early trip body load, but I'm still going to try 30 mg some day to see if I can discover more with better set and setting. Otherwise it's certainly interesting for what it does it I have an appropriate application.

Alas, what motivated me to hit "Reply" was the discussion about 2C-E, but I should probably post those thoughts in the 2C-E thread. I definitely vote for more psychedelics and less stimulants. When you get to them, II look forward to hearing your thoughts on some other psychedelics like 2C-T-2.
 
For another mini-report, and to document my process of trying to understand how to use this substance. This goes to show how important set/setting are (duh!). A week beforehand I had wasted my time with mephedrone (and with ample time for metabolism) had my first trial with Aleph at 2.8 mg.

(with 47 mg) After failing with the task (related to psychedelics/drugs) I had set for the day due to impatience, I got disappointed in myself. The previous days I had decided that it would be time for another more psychedelic journey, and I had either a ~50 mg of 2C-D or some 12 - 14 mg 2C-E in mind. As it was late in the evening, I had just eaten and because 2C-D is more amicable, the decision was easy. Originally, there was a plan to trip on this weekend, this was thwarted by some complications and then spontaneously decided for it again. Maybe not the best circumstances, as it seems like I need some preparation these days.

Anyways, the 2C-D was taken and this time it punished me with a bit of nausea, which was expected due to the meal being so close to ingestion. Otherwise the body was fine, except for some neck tension. But after the come up, I did not end up in any even somewhat comfortable mental state. I questioned many of my choices and actions, but without coming to any real solutions. Looking into the mirror, which under the influence often fills me with self-acceptance and love, despite my many short-comings, had the polar opposite result. I looked at a very tired and disappointed version of myself, with blue eye rings (not the case when sober!). I came to the realisation that I may still be deep in depression, despite claiming the opposite for most of the last year. Have I lied to myself? In any case, it became clear that there are some deeply routed flaws, and that I wouldn't get any wiser from further trips. I was disappointed in myself for wasting so much time with drugs, even with psychedelics. Why do I always need a new toy? Aren't the old toys enough? Haven't I found enough tools now to look into myself? When would I start actually applying what I learned? It feels disheartening, as I seem to lack the strength and time is running. I also realised the amount of self-isolation and dangers that come with my interest for all drugs.

I should probably try to strengthen old friendships and build new ones. And I need to spend the time that seems flying nowadays more efficiently and structured. The rest of the trip was spent mostly distracting myself, which may not have been the best choice. Maybe I should've tried pondering the enigma that I am to myself more. When the danger for rekindling a psychedelic wildfire seemed low enough, thoughts were drowned out by vaporising some cannabis. The next day was spent lethargic and depressed. Now I have a cold and am naturally lethargic. Damn.
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I think I need some time off the drugs and really change some things. Not that this is a new realisation. But I keep failing. Wish life was more easy, lol. Hope I am able to implement some changes now, would prove the 2C-D really does enable to enact change within me. So far, seems like a more useful, less fun ally, overall. And no worries, it's quite unlikely I'll stay off the drugs completely... Just need to take some times to get my life back to priority number 1 and then the drugs can come some time...

Aside from these realisations, what I found interesting about this trip were two points:
A) The anti-drug nature. Quite interesting how psychedelics try to push me away from any drug consumption. Sure, there are some trips where it's all fun and I tell myself "I should do it more often", but many of my trips actively discourage me of any drug consumption, even against themselves. I find this property remarkable. Yet I come back! (And no, this is hardly a new realisation, but still...)

B) The trip felt quite weak. I've found with most 2Cs so far (and also scalines) that if I'm disappointed in myself, particularly for choosing to trip (in this case, I realised after the intake that maybe this was not the finest idea), then that I get what I call the 2C or scaline slap. It is mostly defined as an uncomfortable time (with the scalines in particular a high degree of nausea), confusion, wishing for the trip to be over. The trip is often also reduced in strength, i.e. no visuals or too much headspace. Most often there is no strong punishment, rather disappointment of wasting valuable material with an unsatisfying trip. Although in the end I hope for this trip to be really valuable in the long run. Time will tell.

By the way, this sort of lense on darker aspects of my character are also something I found in 2C-E and the reason why I find their nature somewhat similar. Still interested to try out 2C-P to complete the series. I can only hope it loses some of the sharpness of 2C-E, otherwise the length may turn unbearable for me!
 
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As this is n=1, an attempt at a repeat trial was made with similar headaches that couldn't be resolved by ibuprofen. Unfortunately, the solution was puked right out in a sudden attack of nausea caused by introducing anything to the stomach (even tap water without drug some hour later was expelled from the system right away). No effects of the 2C-D were felt and the headaches progressed with the usual strength until they naturally disappeared.
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n = 3 now, with just a 33 % success quote. The third time, I didn't puke immediately, but at a later point. I don't think the puking was due to the 2C-D, but it may have amplified some of the nausea either way. I did have a headache resolve with 2C-T though recently... This guy (me) will do anything not to go to a doctor to get triptans! :rolleyes:

It seems like some of my migraines can resolve by using phenethylamines (and others may be caused by it), but I don't know which is which and I should really get that checked out. My willingness to try just about anything to subdue the pain should be reason enough.
 
This is a fairly dumb question, but you don't have a cluster headache diagnosis, right?
 
Me and my trip partner combined 5-MAPB with 2C-D, N2O & ketamine 2 days ago.
We used 10mg pellets. Over around 3-4h we took 50mg 2C-D (30mg orally 20mg boofed) + 80mg 5-MAPB (55mg orally, 25mg boofed).

It worked good, though there was a good amount of bruxism.

We took 55mg 5-MAPB orally, followed by 10mg 2C-D. I had some nausea on the comeup.
It was too weak, so we took another 20mg 2C-D orally & 25mg 5-MAPB rectally.

Around 2 hours later we added 20mg 2C-D rectally.

The optics were nice, I saw big mandalas / geometric patterns on the wall, including random letters that were incorporated in architecture.

CEVs were pretty weak.

A small ket line pushed me into a k-hole with more clarity.

N2O worked nicely.

It got pretty weird & sometimes slightly dark.
There were erotic moments, we were too distracted for sex.

I had some short out of body / "possession" style moments after inhaling a N2O balloon.

A lovely substance.
Next time I wanna try 2C-D on it's own.
I got 2x 60mg pellets left. Maybe a whole 60mg in nature?

PS: I also took 10mg tadalafil that day & didn't have any problems with my heart rate or circulation.

Felt slightly weird the next day. We tripped from 10PM to 10 AM (the last few hours were dominated by ket) & slept well till 6 PM.

Being in the kitchen of her shared appartement & talking to others was strange, my motor skills were effected.
We went outside, bought some asian food & layed in a hammock.
Felt way better to be outside. Had an interesting conversation about our mental health, my traumata & theorized about why psychedelics often induce spiritual experiences. Our thoughts were pretty original & deep.
 
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Pfafffed said:
This is a fairly dumb question, but you don't have a cluster headache diagnosis, right?
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No, and I don't think I have cluster, just relatively frequent migraines. I got a diagnosis for migraines when I was a teenager. Haven't been to a doctor again, but it would probably be worthwhile to get some triptane prescribed. I kind of missed this question, not that it matters much.

CavernsoftheMind said:
A lovely substance.
Next time I wanna try 2C-D on it's own.
I got 2x 60mg pellets left. Maybe a whole 60mg in nature?
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I don't know if these pellets are adequately dosed, and I think I'm a little more sensitive than the average tripper, but I found 50 mg 2C-D HCl orally plenty for me. Maybe equivalent to somewhere in the realm of 30 mg 2C-B for me, but much more introspective, much more neutral. Not as friendly, but certainly not unfriendly. While there was none of the terrifying mind loops acid gives me, I was a bit reminded of it in terms of depth. Although less spiritual, more pertaining to the work I have to do myself, and not what the cosmos and afterlife is like. I think 60 mg should be a decent dose. I wish I had the confidence to push 2C-D beyond 50 mg, but for me it seems to be kind of the edge between sanity and insanity, which makes the trip exciting, but also makes me a bit wary of solo-sessions. I like the waving of wooden texture on it, very gentle and nice. Not too advanced in terms of visuals, except for that one time it did the 2C-E oil-painting thing + peacock eyes in the trees while hiking on a "mere" 30 mg.
 
xdrc said:
No, and I don't think I have cluster, just relatively frequent migraines. I got a diagnosis for migraines when I was a teenager. Haven't been to a doctor again, but it would probably be worthwhile to get some triptane prescribed. I kind of missed this question, not that it matters much.


I don't know if these pellets are adequately dosed, and I think I'm a little more sensitive than the average tripper, but I found 50 mg 2C-D HCl orally plenty for me. Maybe equivalent to somewhere in the realm of 30 mg 2C-B for me, but much more introspective, much more neutral. Not as friendly, but certainly not unfriendly. While there was none of the terrifying mind loops acid gives me, I was a bit reminded of it in terms of depth. Although less spiritual, more pertaining to the work I have to do myself, and not what the cosmos and afterlife is like. I think 60 mg should be a decent dose. I wish I had the confidence to push 2C-D beyond 50 mg, but for me it seems to be kind of the edge between sanity and insanity, which makes the trip exciting, but also makes me a bit wary of solo-sessions. I like the waving of wooden texture on it, very gentle and nice. Not too advanced in terms of visuals, except for that one time it did the 2C-E oil-painting thing + peacock eyes in the trees while hiking on a "mere" 30 mg.
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I may use rectal administration actually.
From the few reports I have found it's supposedly more potent than orally, thoughnot twice as potent like 2C-B is rectally vs orally, right?

Maybe dissolving both pellets & boofing 1/4th of the liquid (so 30mg) is the way to go. Or rather 40mg?

It did not burn, came on faster & there was no nausea when we boofed 20mg.
 
I had a 100mg of 2C-D on Saturday morning 9am, orally in an oblaat (thin, edible starch paper for swallowing bad-tasting things).

I am by no means a hardhead, and I had no tolerance, but it didn't feel overwhelming at all. It was pretty great!

I spent most of the trip either deep-diving on Wikipedia or pacing around the room thinking about the nature of humanity, the origin and fate of the universe, and other big thoughts. (You might think it's a waste to not do it out in nature, but this is totally my jam.)

For instance, I was musing about how much of human culture is devoted to signalling belonging to some in-group, which is likely an artifact of evolving in conditions of scarcity where survival depended on convincing members of your community that you are more worthy of care and resources than some "other". I remember thinking that if humans were ever to achieve a post-scarcity society, then people would be able to take the energy they had previously spent on conforming and use it to express their individuality, leading to much more rapidly-evolving and diverse forms of expression. (I have no idea if this is true, lol.)

Head space was very neutral and analytical and lucid.

Visuals were there, but I was way too focused on my thoughts to pay attention to them.

At 11:30, I took a little over 1500mg phenylethylamine (PEA), also in an oblaat, to see if there was any potentiation. I have previously felt moderate euphoria for about 20 minutes from a similar dose by itself. If anything, the PEA was almost entirely overshadowed by the 2C-D. I remember feeling some facial flushing, but the 2C-D euphoria didn't increase.

There was a touch of nausea for the first hour, and I was sipping ginger tea throughout. I was able to have lunch at 1pm, and flavor was greatly enhanced.

I was pretty much down by 2pm. 2C-D is so great because you can have a solid, meaningful trip in the morning without dedicating your entire day to it.
 
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