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The Big & Dandy 2C-B Thread - Stage 1

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First, you don't have to hide behind the guise of "monkey"; a simple "I" works fine. :)

You can't tell HBr from HCl visually. You have to ask your chemical supplier what salt the product is in. They're the only people who will know.

Taking it 2 days in a row will cause significantly diminished effects the second day. It's best to keep tripping to once a week at the most to reap better effects and it's healthier for you.

150mg dissolved in 100 drops will give you 15mg per drop whatever the salt is. You'll have to figure out your dose by finding out what the salt is. That said, I would not dissolve a known weight of compound by drops. Drops vary in size and are a bad way of measuring things.

Do it with known volumes. 10mg/mL of liquid is a popular concentration.

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although the drops are not a consistent size the point is for the convinience of avoiding the dreaded mili-scales! lsd is active at even smaller doses than b and the inconsistent drop/dose size hasn't caused me any problems. if the drop size is inconsistent on the way into the bottle then it will be an 'equal' inconsistency on the way back out, averaging out perfectly over the 100 drops and hopefully quite closely to the drop.

anyone tried this? i've only heard of people dissolving a few doses, not filling a hundred drop bottle with a gram and a half... when my sourcing situation is sorted i'll experiment in alcohol with a dropper and report back.
 
bizarredreams -

You REALLY should not do that. Its very reckless. What you need to do is take a syringe (it can be an oral one, like for taking cough syrup or whatever... any pharmacy, general store, etc will have them) and make a callibrated solution... like, say, 5mg of drug per 1mL of liquid. The drop size will not be consistent and will vary with what substance is dissolved in the liquid. Also, you will not get 15mg of any common psychedelic in a drop of anything you will want to eat. You should make it less concentrated anyway. What would you do if you did get 15mg/drop? You would always have to dose in multiples of 15mg, thats no good at all.

Please be careful.
 
point taken about strength - i'd be happy with 5mg increments to allow some fine-tuning of dose, but realistically more than 3 or 4 drops to a dose is going to be impractical in the situations it is intended for.

i understand that a drop is not an exact measure, but exact is a tricky ideal and a consistent method by a single practiced opperator of a single pippette can produce satisfactorily consistent results, and in any case i don't hear anyone speaking to the fact that lsd is regularly dosed at 0.1mg in a single drop - how is this possible if it would be so dangerous to try with nexus? to me the question is the solubility of the salt, which according to someone on the storage and sollubility thread may be as high as 31mg/ml in saline which with around 20 drops/ml would limit to 1.5mg/drop requiring 10 drops for a reasonable dose and 15-20 for stronger effects. this is more than i am hoping for, but it is in saline i can find no quantified reports from people testing the saturation point in alcohol or distilled water. i have met people who claim to regularly dissolve a gram in an unspecified quantity of vodka and dose in liquid form (although i don' know if this is drop-dosed, haven't spoke to them since i had access to quantity for experimentation and have since lost that access!).

i feel this thread is missing some of the bold explorer spirit that drs hoffman and shulgin lived for - perhaps there are some silent experimentors out there? or perhaps they all died in bizarre circumstances? *lol* the bottom line is that unless someone can say that they have personally tested the solubility of b in grain alcohol i am likely to myself, just as soon as i can reconnect the dots. i'll start with 40% drinking alcohol and if results are not satifactory move up to stronger food grade solvents. of course any exerimentation will be done on self and my partner who have both taken high doses before, and we have experienced and understanding friends.

holla!
 
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i feel this thread is missing some of the bold explorer spirit that drs hoffman and shulgin lived for
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Nope, just full of people who have a more accurate method of measuring their dosage. ;)

If you want to blaze this trail of drop measuring RC's go for it :)

It's unlikely you'll find many on here that do this or know the exact solubility of these compounds, google would be the best place to find that stuff; it may take some time looking around.

Don't forget different solvents are going to have different drop sizes. Grain alcohol will have different fluid dynamics than distilled water. Another complication.. it is ;)
 
And to re-iterate what uniter said, Shulgin probably never took an unknown dose of any chemical in the way you are Bizzare.

But I doubt we have anyone on the board experimenting and creating as much as Shulgin did thats for sure, we can only hope, and that they are saving their secrets for the right time.
 
just have to point out that 150 mg/100 "drops" would be 1.5 mg per drop, not 15

but i agree that's a poor way to measure things
 
i have an oral syringe which i use regularly, but it is not practical in some environments and looks very much like it might be used for nefarious activity - my bottle of rescue remmedy does not.

shulgin and hoffman may never have taken unknown quantities but the compounds they were taking were themselves unknown - to the whole world, let alone the experimentors. i'm sure that taking an unknown chemical is more daring than consuming a dose of a known compound i have personally previously consumed on dozens of occassions which may have a small variance in size, and i could not respect the works of shulgin and hoffman if i thought their methodology was unacceptably reckless.

speaking practically, if my drops contain aprx 5mg with a variance of, say, 20% then each drop would contain 4-6mg, meaning 3 drops equates to 12-18mg which is happily within desired dosage range. in all likelihood the use of 3 drops would average the variance out and give doses more like 14-16mg. in order for this method to produce a problematic dose of 22.5mg all three drops would have to be oversized by 50% which is highly unlikely.

i take it that the people arguing against drops in principle rather than trying to help me find a working method have laboratory standard scales and never have any residue on the scale's pan, or on any equipment at all? the same variance that i am factoring into my dropper calculations could, can, does, and has in my experience often occured using miligram scales. the fact is that none of us can testify to taking 'known' doses unless we have spent ridiculous amounts of money on scales, and even then how can you be sure that the full weighed ammount is consumed? in any case i have never seen anyone using scales costing them more than £100GBP, and usually see people getting their budget-balances from ebay.

while i'm grateful for the many warnings i am receiving to be careful (nice to know you all care) frankly i am looking to find people who have actually tried dosing by drop. i have purposefully taken heroic doses on numerous occasions and have no fear of accidently doing so again. if i am aiming for 15mg then it would take a pretty fucking huge mistake to accidently take the 60mg dose i took last year. moreover the reality of dealing with these compounds is that sometimes you make mistakes - sometimes you spill a bottle of lsd on your arm, or insullflate a large line of a white pwder which turns out not to be what it is advertised as - if you can not accept this then you should not work with the chemicals at all.

what i want to know is:
1) what is the saturation point of 2c-b in any/all of: distilled water; vodka; and ethanol
2)lsd is regularly dosed at 0.1-1mg/drop - how is this possible if it would be so dangerous to try with nexus?

anyone know?
 
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i take it that the people arguing against drops in principle rather than trying to help me find a working method have laboratory standard scales and never have any residue on the scale's pan, or on any equipment at all?
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I put an empty large half of a gelcap on the scale and note the weight. I then add my compound to the gelcap, put it back on the scale and subtract the weight of the gelcap to get the weight of the compound contained in the gelcap; nothing gets left behind; very accurate method of weighing. You could just tare the gelcap but with my scales I feel more comfortable just knowing what the gelcap weighs.

i am looking to find people who have actually tried dosing by drop.
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I highly doubt you'll find any on here. It's simply an inferior method with no point to it.

anyone know?
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Maybe try Advanced Drug Discussion.
 
Do you think 2C-B and LSD make a good combination? Which should have be taken first? Excuse my rough english, please.

Thanks.
 
^Yes I do. The LSD should be taken around 2-3 hours before the 2C-B because 2C-B is much shorter lasting.

Welcome to Bluelight!
 
Thank you very much for your replies and your welcome! :)

I will try this combo after taking more experience with 2C-B alone.

One more thing: does anybody know if 5-HTP helps in 2C-B after-load?
 
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^ I often take tryptophan at the end of any trip. It helps me sleep and feels like a good thing. I have a feeling all serotonergic psychedelics deplete some serotonin and a tryptophan supplement certainly doesn't hurt.
 
I have a feeling all serotonergic psychedelics deplete some serotonin
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How could they deplete serotonin when they do not release it... actually I would think the reverse to be true. 5ht2a agonist binds to 5ht receptor, serotonin cannot bind to it, thus it gets reuptaken, and no serotonin will be consumed - no more than usually.
 
dread said:
How could they deplete serotonin when they do not release it... actually I would think the reverse to be true. 5ht2a agonist binds to 5ht receptor, serotonin cannot bind to it, thus it gets reuptaken, and no serotonin will be consumed - no more than usually.
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How do we know this? Maybe not things like the -DMT's but I would really be surprised if 2C-x's did not release some serotonin. They certainly do have some MDMA-ish euphoriant tendencies and also tend to make one feel a bit drained after a strong trip.

I just notice at the end of trip, taking a tryptophan supplement is something that I'm a bit pulled towards. It definitely doesn't hurt.
 
I don't believe the euphoriant effects are due to serotonin release. It's probably just due to 5ht-agonism. Think about it. When the serotonin is released, where does it bind to? 5ht-receptors, right.

Even DMT gives a very euphoric feeling, without releasing any serotonin.


Also: even if the 2c-chemical would release serotonin, it could not bind to a receptor because the receptor is blocked by the 2c-chemical.
 
I suppose what I meant is more of a dopaminergic euphoriant type thing. I know pure 5-ht agonists can be quite euphoric but not in the way that 2C-B or MDMA produces euphoria. 2C-B certainly has that 5-ht agonism euphoria but there's also some dopamine mixed in, and I'm still not convinced it doesn't also release some serotonin. MDMA produces serotonin release euphoria with a lot of dopamine mixed in.

I just like the added safety of antioxidants and tryptophan for free radical protection. I remember reading more than once about 2C-x's producing free radicals.
 
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