Hello. I have been lurking these threads for over 10 years now, I guess it's about time I add my experience
Two nights ago I had planned on tripping, but I wasn't sure I was in the mood for a lysergamide - I find these trips to sometimes be a bit too much to handle for me (at least with ETH-LAD, the last of my supply), as in I am not always able to stay "functional" or aware enough, which combined with a potentially bad trip could go poorly for me without a trip sitter. Although I have had enough bad trips to know how to ride them out calmly and still learn from them, I recently attempted suicide and have been in a very low place in my life again, so I didn't want to risk getting back there. A goal for me was to push myself away from suicidality, and bad trips are not always conducive for this goal. I hadn't taken any substances other than marijuana that day, and it had been several months since I had last tripped.
The only other substance I had was 2-cb-fly, in powder form. I had pre-mixed two pills for a friend and I over the summer, mine dosed between 18-23 mg and theirs between 15-18 mg, this was several months ago so I don't remember the exact dosages. I had previously tripped on 2-cb-fly twice, both times in the 18-25 mg range, and experienced the empathogenic-type trip that many have reported here, with minimal visual distortions and changes to my socialization (i was more talkative in the beginning, less so towards the middle and end). This time I decided that I would like to experience something more than that and enter the psychedelic realm. I was not able to find much more than a couple sentences reporting on 30+ mg trips, but what I did find seemed to suggest that some of the lower-dose clarity is mixed with a heavier, much more visual trip that may at points be more than one can take while remaining functional. This generally matches my experience.
I dosed both pills at 8pm, for a total somewhere around 30-40 mg. After only a few minutes I started getting jawlock, which is normal for me with any sort of stimulating substance, I even get it without any. The effects stayed limited primarily to racy-type feelings, with some minor time dilation, for about the first two hours after dosing. For my previous trips I generally meditate, sometimes with music, for most of the trip, but lately I have not been safe with my thoughts and didn't want to risk taking this trip spiraling towards panic, so I passed the time until 10 pm watching my favorite television show again. Around 10 pm I began to notice significant distortions in my perception, time-wise, understanding-wise, and visually. A colored haze with floating waves of different distortions began to cover the surfaces of my vision, the characters on the television were morphing in age, dress, and gender, and it became difficult to follow the plot as it seemed to stretch on for much longer than the 20 minute episode duration and my attention was limited. Around 10:20 the episode finished and I paused the show to lay down. In the past body load has been very uncomfortable for me, and at first the waves I felt around 9-9:30 were a bit unpleasant and racy, however by 10 they had started feeling quite pleasant, even distracting from the show. By the time I was laying down, the body load had become unbearably pleasurable across my whole body, so I writhed in bed for about an hour until it calmed. During that hour the effects came and went in waves, the primary sensation was definitely the body load but there was some minor growth to the visual distortions. I felt a bit nauseous if I kept my eyes open, so I shut them and had some patterning and an increased ability to imagine as I swam in my bed. The visions were more real and enticing, but not quite full blown like they would grow to be later. My thoughts were primarily about good things, matching the theme of hedonism provided by the body sensations. Around 11 the effects began to calm, and I went to the bathroom to discover significant morphing across the floor tiles, my sweater and my leggings. This is one of my favorite experiences with psychedelics - I don't know how much time I've spent, in how many different places, watching stories play out in rocks or blinds or blankets or clouds, but I enjoyed this for a few minutes before returning to bed. In addition to this morphing, there was significant distortion as if everything I saw was stretched over an uneven surface, things appeared longer in some areas, shorter in other, to the point where I would have trouble distinguishing how far apart they were.
As I returned to bed I brought my flame-powered vaporizer with some marijuana concentrate loaded in it. I like to add this to my trips sometimes, as it can change the character and give the visuals more power. I had trouble measuring the distance between the flame and the vaporizer, but I was functional enough to remember how I normally held it so I had no issue using it. At this point the psychedelic effects were in full swing, with lots of morphing and visual patterns overlaid over what I saw. I had body load again, somewhat unpleasant at times, somewhat pleasant at others, but not matching the extent of pleasure I felt during the previous hour. Until about 2-2:30, I had a full psychedelic trip with deep thoughts about my past life and remembering how it went and how it shaped me, evaluation of my current situation and imagining how to move forward. I forgot who I was at several points, a little game I like to play while tripping is gently trying to remember. My eyes were mostly shut as I like to lay in bed and go deep into the visions that arise in my mind, of which there were plenty. During this period the effects were also coming in waves. During the lower parts I was able to get up if I chose, however I was a bit dizzy and nauseous and still had some visuals in these periods so I didn't do this much. The higher parts were rolling around in bed, deep in the visions and thoughts I had. The effect on music was significant, and comparable to a lysergamide.
I would say the experience overall was most comparable to 4-ACO-DMT, mixed with elements of ETH-LAD, however a much more significant body load and a significantly clearer head. The duration was much shorter as well, by 3 am I was definitely coming down. The other substances may last me all night. I rarely can sleep after taking those, even with ativan or melatonin, but I was able to fall asleep pretty easily by 4 am. It was definitely it's own unique experience though, and I would say it had elements that I haven't experienced with other psychedelics or lower dose trips. I still have some left, so I may do another high dose trip in the future, but unfortunately this substance seems to trigger my post-trip headache much worse than other things I have tried. Normally if I get a headache it will subside by the end of the next day, however I still have some of it today on day 2. Another difference I just noticed was less afterglow than other substances - however I had a somewhat emotional day yesterday, and my life isn't in the same pleasant place it was when I have tripped and experienced an afterglow in the past, so it's lack of appearance may be situational.
