The Big & Dandy 25I-NBOMe Thread (3rd edition)

[doomsdayguy]

Probably the THC potentiated the 25I for you. 300-400ug on its own would only be a light +1 for me.

I don't know if edibles potentiate the same way that smoked ganja does. There's a good bit of difference there.

Were your tabs complexed? Why does seemingly no one include more information than ug dosage, its important. 300ug of uncomplexed acetate material would not make me visually hallucinate. 1mg isn't the first timer recomended dose for complexed blotter

Also, have you tested a 300ug dose without the THC? 300ug alone may not have the extreme amount of vasoconstriction you are used to.

Nobody is going to trip on uncomplexed if they're taking tabs, common sense goes a long way too. Clearly they were complexed. The edibles completely got rid of any anxiety, tenseness, anything on the come up. There may not have been much vasoconstriction and body load to start with on such a small dose, but I'm saying there was nothing negative to be found. Zero body load. I'll probably try 300 without anything extra in a few weeks to see, but I'll definitely get the come up anxiety and a bit of bodyload from that.

 

[zn13bt]

Yeah, I wouldn't try building up tolerance too much. I kind of got obsessed with 25I this past summer and was doing it almost every weekend for a few months straight, and got a little brain fried as a result. Nothing permanent I don't think, but I was getting more anxious than usual and my trips were getting kind of uncomfortable and pointless, so I'm taking a break for a few months to let things reset.

The vodka should prevent bacterial growth, so you don't have to worry about your solution going bad. Take your time using it up And yeah, you can measure it out 15 or 20mg at a time for liquid dosing (5mg is a little low to measure accurately with a 1mg scale). If you get yourself a gram, you're pretty much set for life! :D

 

[zn13bt]

I don't know if edibles potentiate the same way that smoked ganja does. There's a good bit of difference there.

Yeah, I was making a guess based on my own experience with that dosage, I've never had THC edibles before. That's why I said "probably"

Nobody is going to trip on uncomplexed if they're taking tabs, common sense goes a long way too. Clearly they were complexed.

What do you mean? I've done uncomplexed plenty of times laid on pieces of paper towel, and I get consistent results every time. Maybe if it's uncomplexed freebase laid on blotter it won't work, but if it's a salt (HCl or acetate) I don't think there'd be any problem.

The edibles completely got rid of any anxiety, tenseness, anything on the come up. There may not have been much vasoconstriction and body load to start with on such a small dose, but I'm saying there was nothing negative to be found. Zero body load. I'll probably try 300 without anything extra in a few weeks to see, but I'll definitely get the come up anxiety and a bit of bodyload from that.

Maybe try a benadryl and/or some magnesium for the bodyload, if you want to compare?

 

[seers_eye]

Ya update, this whole nbome series, umm tweety bird mescaline to the nth degree? how much further do u fucking research chemists want to push these trips? Warning u may die, dosage is an obscene concern with these chem's WARNING readers.

 

[zn13bt]

Perhaps you'd like to come back later and restate that in a more comprehensible format? You sound angry.

 

[seers_eye]

Sry, i took this chem to a place it should not have gone. My apologies. Yes that was anger i was speaking through. But fear of death as i just faced, not knowing if too much of a chemical was crossing the threshold of life and death? If you want an empathogenic, ALA entactogenic via David E. Nichols, well ur best off sticking too some good old mescaline, peyote, san pedro, even good old Dr. Hoffman's lsd, this shit pushed the boundaries on what a trip was for me personally, i do apologize, my last words right here on bluelight...

toodles zn13bt

 

[zn13bt]

I'm sorry you're having a bad time. Maybe you can call a friend to come check on you?

 

[weadazoid]

We did try to warn you


PLEASE realize you will come back to reality my fellow phychonaught, but I take it you went further thinking a tolerance was there...

tolerance or no tolerance time is a freind and you must let your body heal from previous psychadelic journies, taking these chems so close one right after the other is not the way to go no matter how tempting.


Find a warm place put on some deep trance or perhaps some good old greatful dead or ozric tentacles try to mediate and meditate your state of mind


most of all do not lose hope reality is there beneath the surface

 

[Survived Abortion]

Sry, i took this chem to a place it should not have gone. My apologies. Yes that was anger i was speaking through. But fear of death as i just faced, not knowing if too much of a chemical was crossing the threshold of life and death?

How can you come on here and get angry with everyone for having a bad experience, when there is reams and reams of pages warning users of the dangers of the NBOMe series. I am constantly trying to do my part to expose and rectify the stupidity and recklessness of others in the NBOMe threads so that we can establish a foundation of sensible practice in the RC community. There is much to be read in the Big and Dandy's about their small safety margin for dosing, and about the safest and most unsafe methods of administration. It is particularly important to highlight this with the NBOMEs, which have proved in the relatively short time since their introduction onto the scene to be quite problematic in the face of such slovenly attitudes and blatant disregard for human wellbeing.

This is, after all, what bluelight is here for. But if nobody's gonna take the advice, then what's the fucking point.

You've learned your lesson, but how many more people will it take to have a brush with death for everyone to wake the fuck up to the fact that these are not toys.

 

[weadazoid]

How can you come on here and get angry with everyone for having a bad experience, when there is reams and reams of pages warning users of the dangers of the NBOMe series. I am constantly trying to do my part to expose and rectify the stupidity and recklessness of others in the NBOMe threads so that we can establish a foundation of sensible practice in the RC community. There is much to be read in the Big and Dandy's about their small safety margin for dosing, and about the safest and most unsafe methods of administration. It is particularly important to highlight this with the NBOMEs, which have proved in the relatively short time since their introduction onto the scene to be quite problematic in the face of such slovenly attitudes and blatant disregard for human wellbeing.

This is, after all, what bluelight is here for. But if nobody's gonna take the advice, then what's the fucking point.

You've learned your lesson, but how many more people will it take to have a brush with death for everyone to wake the fuck up to the fact that these are not toys.

Well I have taken the advice quite seriously. Even though my first dose was only 500ug I waited a full 2 weeks, and good lord 1mg is so much more powerful then 500ug the difference is increadible. Keep in mind as well I am a bigger guy 5'11" and around just under 200 lbs with low body fat %

yes one has to be VERY VERY careful with this stuff


and that is the shame of it really I mean this can be a great thing it just has to be done in a safe way, I can see where if some idiot is selling it as LSD they are endangering the lives of others


You can take a 10 strip of LSD if you are experienced and realize reality is still there ... even if it is kinda like opening up heavens gates risk to your life just rideing that wave is a minimum.... but this stuff this stuff can hurt you. anything above 1 mg may hurt you and depending on personal chemisty 500 ug may be more then enough.


I really am concearned about the legislation, states are wiseing up on this quickly and thats no fun for us. part of the intrigue here is the technicality of legal ease status of a substance like this. Florida and Virginia now have it regulated - that sucks

I may have to visit the vendor sooner then later just to store some away safely




as I do like this chem


but I also respect the crap out of it and even then there was a bit of nervousness because volume is a better visual rep but clearly it still leaves just a bit of measuring to the eyeball.


For those who get product in HCL form, be very careful do not DO NOT DO NOT try to eyeball this.... solve in good clean alchohol let it evaporate off then weigh your product with a good scale I am lucky my scale rounds to 10 ugs . My vendor was very accurate, but hey others may not be If anything they sided with caution as should everyone. I recorded the weight of my glass jar then dipped the entire bag in with the solution, let it all evaporate off then came back and weighted the final product.

this has to be done

 

[tryp2fun]

Clearly, the NBOMes have a steep dose-response curve! I don't understand why people think that if 1X of the compound gives mild or moderate effects, that 2X or 3X will be even more fun. We know with other strong compounds that the incremental dose should be a small fraction of the dose. For example, 2C-P is about the strongest of the 2C-Xs. If 8 mg is a moderate dose of 2C-P, would it make sense to take 16 mg next? No, that would likely be an overdose, and there are a number of reports confirming that. Normally you would take 9 or 10 mg next, since we know that the dose-response curve for 2C-P is nonlinear, and even 1 or 2 mg more can double the intensity of the effects. Yet, for some reason that lesson is just being learned with NBOMes. If 500 ug of the compound is not enough, try 600 ug next, not 1000 ug! Maybe the problem is the blotters, where it is hard to cut doses into accurate fractions.

 

[zn13bt]

General rule of thumb, for ALL research chemicals, is you go up by AT MOST 50% of your last dose. So if you took 500ug your first time and nothing bad happened to you, then for your second dose you can take up to 750ug (= 500ug + 250ug, which is half of 500). This is the procedure that Sasha Shulgin followed, and he managed to survive several decades of taking experimental drugs. You can too if you are not stupid.

25I does have a nonlinear dosing curve, but that's the norm for these kinds of chemicals. Here's how it works out for me (doing buccal dosing):

500ug: +, some energy and mood lift but no visuals
800ug: ++, noticeable visuals but not overwhelming
1mg: +++, visuals everywhere making it hard to see at times, some muscle tension and twitchiness, moments of confusion and anxiety
1.2mg: STRONG +++, insanely fascinating/terrifying lifelike visuals that rival anything seen on DMT, large-scale muscle spasms not always under my control, need to stay inside away from people, uncommunicative most of the time. Pretty much just need to stay in one spot for several hours not moving around too much. Not something I can do once a week!

The most I've ever done is 1.3mg, and I literally cannot describe what that's like because I don't have the words for what transpired that day. I've never felt the need to go higher than that.

 

[pandahaze]

I've just tried it yet once which was 1.2 mg, but that was exactly like +++ you described. Will try the half of it, but I really don't know if the blotter is layed evenly.

 

[Transform]

For those experiencing vasoconstriction, what are your symptoms? How do you know when you are suffering from this side effect?

 

[Sepher]

Really cold limbs mainly Transform. Core temp seems to rise a little but extremities can become very, very cold indeed, pronounced piloerection and tremor, though whether that's a proper shiver or whether it's a response to the adrenergic action IDK. Heaviness in the chest sometimes too, feeling a little laboured at times during the come-up with high doses. Been careful to work up fairly slowly and found the cut-off point for going higher when the feeling around the heart became pronounced enough to be concerning and a good warning to go no further.

 

[jesuspeople666]

hey my first time with this stuff i took a HALF 1 mg blotter that had 500mcg of each 25i-nbome and 25c-nbome in it.. was feeling some energy and mood lift but no visuals.
2 days after i took a whole 1 mg blotter and it was meaybe the same effects to the first time... was meaybe a little stronger only.. no visuals or just a little bit weavy meaybe...
why? should i wait meaybe 2 weeks and try a 1mg blotter again and expect to get any visuals at all, or should just take 2 blotters at once instead?

 

[Sepher]

Tolerance a big factor with this stuff Jesus. You'd want to leave around 7 days really between doses to get full effects, possibly even longer. 25I in particular seems to produce a more complete and lasting tolerance than 25B and C, even after a week I noticed some diminishing of effects after a previous trial at high doses.

Do not just take 2 blotters next time out. Because of the tolerance you didn't gauge the strength of the 1mg trial properly. After a decent break you might well find it's more than strong enough. Should never really jump dose that much anyways. Dose / response curve is steep, extra 500ug of 25I can put you in a very different place, one that's potentially very dangerous indeed all of a sudden. Work up slowly. 1mg could be quite powerful enough.

 

[jesuspeople666]

so u mean i had a gotten a tolerance from taking a half blotter the first time and doing a whole 1mg blotter only 2 days after?
should i be expecting any stronger visuals than i had with my previous experiences at all, if i wait over 1-2 weeks and do a whole 1mg blotter?

 

[pandahaze]

so u mean i had a gotten a tolerance from taking a half blotter the first time and doing a whole 1mg blotter only 2 days after?
should i be expecting any stronger visuals than i had with my previous experiences at all, if i wait over 1-2 weeks and do a whole 1mg blotter?

Exactly :D I'm pretty sure you'll get strong visuals at 1mg. In 25I tolerance seems to be a big issue.

 

[jesuspeople666]

how is the right way to take the blotters anyway? read somewhere it doesent work if you swallow the blotters, the first time i had the blotter up under my gums, buccally, but swallowed my spit every once, the secound time i dident swallow anything and just had alot of spit in my mouth for a little more than a hour and spat everything out...