The Big & Dandy 25C-NBOMe Thread (part 2) ver. "My skin feels like lightning"

[Anon0631]

Taking 2mg over a period of time is NOT the same as a single dose of 2mg. I once wasted 3mg of 25c trying to intensify the experience with little success.

 

[tired of crap]

Ok so after a lot of reading I still have some questions.

If one were to plan on the insufflation route (for 25 C), is a surfactant / complexing agent necessary? Or will it still work, just not be as effective? (I believe I read its just more effective if you have one, it is just not necessary).

Also, what is the best surfacant / complexing agent to use if HPBCD is not available (not sure exaclty where one would get HPBCD, so Im just assuming its not available) ?
- I have read lecithin or polysorbate 80 works but again where would you go about getting these things?

Sorry if this has been answered, I have read quite a bit and tried searching but to no avail.
If it has been answered please point me in the right direction as I dont mind reading some more.

Thanks

 

[Redbong]

Ok so after a lot of reading I still have some questions.

If one were to plan on the insufflation route (for 25 C), is a surfactant / complexing agent necessary? Or will it still work, just not be as effective? (I believe I read its just more effective if you have one, it is just not necessary).

Also, what is the best surfacant / complexing agent to use if HPBCD is not available (not sure exaclty where one would get HPBCD, so Im just assuming its not available) ?
- I have read lecithin or polysorbate 80 works but again where would you go about getting these things?

Sorry if this has been answered, I have read quite a bit and tried searching but to no avail.
If it has been answered please point me in the right direction as I dont mind reading some more.

Thanks

To my knowledge, you shouldn't need a complexing agent if you're insulfating. I believe it just helps buccal and sublingual absorption. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I've only ever had blotters without any complexing agent, taken buccally, and I've never had a problem.

 

[SONN]

when I did 1.5mg of 25c hcl, non complexed, buccally I had a soothing and very sexual MDMA-like euphoria floor me for a good period of time on the come up. 25c is one of the most colorful drugs for me, and one of the most laughter inducing.

Has anyone tripping on 25c thought about a spiral (the kind supposedly used to hypnotize people) and felt rather mesmerized by it?

I started to concentrate on the spiral and it pretty much started to cover everything so I stopped (partially from actual paranoia of being hypnotized) Has anyone else had a similar experience?

 

[dsmitty501]

Yo man im trying to pm you but you need to delete some message and yes i do live in AR! and this is for MDMAPhreak!!!!!

 

[klondike_bar]

Ah now we're talking useful
I fear that vodka would be to thick and theres sugar also in vodka.

only flavored vodka would have sugar. any proper vodka is simply 40% etoh, 60% water

 

[Jesusgreen]

Welcome to the PD sub-forum!

As you may or may not be aware, we have a Big & Dandy thread for 25C-NBOMe already, and as such me or one of the other mods will merge this thread with that one once you've had a chance to reply, to keep things neat and in the right place

I get the nasty taste with both 25I and 25C, seems to be about the same with both. Drinking chocolate milk helps to get rid of it. Also, maybe instead of chewing the blotters (which would spread the taste all over your mouth) you could try just sticking them on your upper gum and leave them there for a half hour or so. As long as there isn't too much saliva in your mouth for the time you have the blotter in there then the bitterness should stay mostly in that spot.

It is pretty gross though, and even after 20+ trips I haven't gotten used to it One of these days I'll finally give up and just stick some NBOMe solution up my butt instead 8(

I didn't notice the taste so much the first time I tried 25I-NBOMe, and that time the blotter stayed on my gum the whole time until I swallowed it, so maybe your theory is correct. The second time when I went to swallow it I was walking home and had nothing to wash it down with, so it ended up with me chewing it for 5 minutes before it finally went down, hence the nasty taste everywhere.

That said though, the first time I tried it I was drinking so I may have simply washed away the taste.

I'll remember to keep some chocolate around for next time though. Chocolate seems to be the best for getting rid of nasty drug tastes. Smoked 5-MeO-DALT was another one with a horrible after-taste but a few bits of chocolate and it's gone.

 

[MDMAPhreak]

Of course, this thread has run its course. Thanks for the welcome.

 

[TheAzo]

I've taken 25C-NBOMe at up to 2.x mg in a night, intranasally in 200ug doses staggered throughout the night. I think maybe I pushed it up to 3mg once, but I'd been taking it at 2.x mg every weekend for a few weeks at that point, so tolerance was an issue there.

Taking it beyond the point of beautiful visuals is pointless, though - it just seems to make it feel more overwhelming - yet I can't put my finger on why or how. The visuals don't get any stronger or anything, and it doesn't get any more enjoyable.

I've found that taking the dose all at once leads to uncomfortable physical effects, while staggering the dose has gone considerably better. I haven't noticed vasoconstriction, but I often do get muscle tension from it (taking a soma works great for dealing with this, and doesn't weaken the trip ime).

 

[dan k]

What i really interested in - smoking is it possible? Dosage?
Can i just dip the end of a cig in 25C-nbome solution?

yeah it works pretty good.
just drop a drop or two on a bowl or cig and let it dry then smoke... or just stick a blotter in and smoke it.

 

[saif1311]

800ug bucally of 25c had me on my nutsacks. LOL

 

[IamMe90]

Had a wonderful trip @ 1.6mg buccal last Friday, a step up from my first experience with 1.2mg.

Come up was fast - first alert at 10 minutes, peaking at 30-40 minutes. Very short-lived nausea during come up/peak, about 10 minutes at the toilet. For me, this is very nice.

Visually, interesting & surprising. At 1.2mg I had little in the way of visuals, at this dosage CEVs and OEVs were VERY present - and weirdly enough, very akin to DOI and 25i, especially the CEVs. Not the best visuals, but still pretty damn cool (watching the sunset at my campus's lake terrace, even at well past peak, was very amazing).

What really stood out about this trip was the auditory enhancement - WOW! Music sounded motherfucking incredible, so intense, altered (but cohesive), crazy - up to par with some of my best psychedelic music experiences (although definitely not rivaling 4-ho-mipt in this respect) when it comes to phens. Listened to the new Grizzly Bear album, Shields, all the way through (first psychedelic listen-through) and it was mindblowing.

Mentally, it was somewhat difficult to get out thoughts coherently, but I was with my best friend so it wasn't as bad as it could have been. Very light-hearted mindset, a very fun trip. After the come up, especially prominent during the tail end of the plateau, a wonderful MDMA like body high replaced any body load. More than once my best friend and I remarked to each other "wow, I just feel amazing right now!"

I really like this drug, quite a bit. I don't think it's going to replace DOC as a favorite phen or anything, but it's definitely up there (we'll see, since I'm taking DOC again for the first time in awhile at a grizzly bear concert this sunday. VERY excited for that!)

 

[jason7]

Ok so after a lot of reading I still have some questions.

If one were to plan on the insufflation route (for 25 C), is a surfactant / complexing agent necessary? Or will it still work, just not be as effective? (I believe I read its just more effective if you have one, it is just not necessary).

Also, what is the best surfacant / complexing agent to use if HPBCD is not available (not sure exaclty where one would get HPBCD, so Im just assuming its not available) ?
- I have read lecithin or polysorbate 80 works but again where would you go about getting these things?

Sorry if this has been answered, I have read quite a bit and tried searching but to no avail.
If it has been answered please point me in the right direction as I dont mind reading some more.

Thanks

You don't need to complex it at all. I simply mixed it with a carrier substance, MSM worked well and so did inositol, and added enough water and alcohol to dissolve it then dried it out and crushed and mixed the resulting powder thoroughly. I used 9 times as much carrier as NBOME so that 10 mg would contain 1 mg of NBOME. It was still too concentrated to weigh out easily though so I would recommend probably 19 times as much carrier so that 20 mg equals 1 mg NBOME. You have to dissolve the powders though, not just mix them dry. You need to disperse the NBOME molecules so that they will be easier to dissolve. It worked perfect for me. I got serious blasted from about 700 MCG of dispersed NBOME on MSM and insufflated. I actually thought I was going to have a seizure at first. My visual field took on a diamond shape and I just felt overwhelmed. Don't really want to get that high again. It was okay after the initial impact though. The powder also worked well sublingually.

Something I have been meaning to try is encapsulating a dose in shellac, which is a natural enteric coating substance. It won't dissolve in the acidic stomach but dissolves in the alkaline small intestine. Theoretically it shouldn't be deactivated by enzymes or whatever. I tried injecting some into an enteric coated fish oil capsule once but felt no effects. I think the capsule leaked in my stomach though because I had fishy burps, which is what the coating is supposed to prevent. If shellac coating works you could make little hits like acid. Should get food grade white shellac if possible, but normal hardware store shellac would probably work.

 

[marijuanawheezer]

So I just got four tabs of 25c-nbome I know that taking it orally doesn't really do anything however taking it nasally is meant to be amazing. My problem is what is the best way for me to extract the chemical from the tabs? I'm not really too knowlegable on chemistry if someone could help me out here that would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

 

[Section813]

Orally is ineffective however bucally is effective. You can brush your top gumline and then place the blotter on your top gums between lip and gum. Leave the blotter there for at least half an hour trying not to swallow. I know this works from my own experience. If you must dose nasal then someone else will have to assist you or you can read through the thread as its been posted on how to extract from blotter an dose this way.

 

[marijuanawheezer]

Do you get strong oev's? Is it as effective as the nasal method? I have someone else with that will be with me when dosing, I've read it but it still isnt all abundantly clear, need some step by steps to remove the chemical from the blotter

 

[IamMe90]

I wouldn't necessarily call nasal admin. "amazing" - for some people, sure, but there is a much higher chance that you'll react negatively and with exacerbated physical side effects (like nausea and vasoconstriction) if you take it that way. Plus, it's more of a hassle to prepare it for than nasal administration.

Just take it buccally - it definitely does work that way, and well enough for sure. You are right that oral administration is not effective, but if the blotter is held between the cheek and lower gums, with some care taken to minimize saliva swallowing, it's plenty effective and a MUCH smoother come up. Just IMO though.

 

[Section813]

I got oev and cev visuals from 375mcg blotter. It wasnt overwhelming but it was a good introduction. Nice euphoria and tactile enhancement. Next time im going to go up to 525mcg.

 

[marijuanawheezer]

Thankyou very much, I'm planning on taking two of them do you know how much these tabs hold, will two be enough?

 

[marijuanawheezer]

I got them from a well known vendor