The Big and Dandy NBOMe-2C-C (25C-NBOMe) Thread

[moe.ron]

hmm been sitting on some of the blotters for a little while now, kind of nervous to take any phenethylamine after my bad time on 2C-P a month or so ago, especially a very potent one that will probably take me back to a some what similar place. Is 300 mg a good ++ dose or too much? Really would like to wade in gently to this one, but I may just have to hold my breath and take the plunge before too long.

And also I thought the blotters worked fine if held in mouth for 15-20 minutes or so? Pretty sure u dont have to soak the blotter in anything and then hold that in your mouth. May be wrong but I dont think so

 

[Cogumelo]

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You mean 300ug right?

 

[moe.ron]

^right... Im savig the 300 mg dose for my second trial

 

[Solipsis]

If you're gonna soak blotters then you might as well take a snortable carrier and evaporate the solution over that. At least you can insufflate it then, which - if you keep the amount of carrier modest - should produce minimal drip and therefore minimal loss of dose.

That way you actually know how much you are absorbing... otherwise you mostly know how much you are absorbing maximally.

 

[reformer]

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kind of nervous to take any phenethylamine after my bad time on 2C-P a month or so ago, especially a very potent one that will probably take me back to a some what similar place.

I'm sorry to hear about the 2C-P, did you post an experience report regarding it? I am trying to do lots of background research before 2C-P might come in and would be interested in reading about your experience if you have posted it. [EDIT: Found it on erowid. Reading now... Thanks for sharing brother, I really appreciate that you gave us your experience]

Back to the topic at hand, I wouldn't be too worried about 25C-NBOMe taking you to that same headspace that 2C-P did... I haven't tried 2C-P myself, but have tried 2C-E and all of it's mental "difficulties" (to put it mildly), and imho 25C-NBOMe simply doesn't have the capacity to pulverize the ego in the same fashion. I actually had a fairly negative experience on 1.4 mg of 25C insufflated... but even then, in the midst of a "will I survive this?!" trip, 25C didn't have that emotional juggernaut aspect to it.

So, of course everyone is different, and it's best that you wait out the time until you feel not only comfortable, but also confident that the time is right. But, having said that, 25C-NBOMe is a new, different beast. It is not your grandma's phenethylamine, its much more friendly.

And also I thought the blotters worked fine if held in mouth for 15-20 minutes or so? Pretty sure u dont have to soak the blotter in anything and then hold that in your mouth. May be wrong but I dont think so

Your right that if you want to do sublingual then you don't have to extract the blotter. BUT... sublingual is a poor ROA for this compound. Seriously. A much much much better ROA is to insufflate the 25C... so if yours is on blotter, then you would have to extract it to get it into liquid so that the liquid can be insufflated.

 

[any major dude]

IMO, 25C is pretty easy on the ego, etc. Some even get an inflation type effect, which is rare for a psychedelic. Regardless, i don't think i've seen any reports of people claiming them to be very similar to their parent compounds.

 

[IGNVS]

hey could you guys write up some TRs for everyone?

 

[Beanfreak]

Hi guys,
I've got 5 x 350µg blotters on there way to me. Unfortunately I ordered them before I checked on here!! Otherwise I would've ordered freebase! Doh.

Can someone give a definitive explaination on how to do liquid extraction please...

How do I tell if I've got freebase or salt on my blotter?

What's the best solution for extraction (for insufflation) if I've got freebase?
I'm assuming dissolved water is best for salt.

How long should I leave the blotters in the solution before 'wringing' them out?

Sorry for all the questions!

 

[Rorthron]

Hi guys,
I've got 5 x 350µg blotters on there way to me. Unfortunately I ordered them before I checked on here!! Otherwise I would've ordered freebase! Doh.

Can someone give a definitive explaination on how to do liquid extraction please...

How do I tell if I've got freebase or salt on my blotter?

What's the best solution for extraction (for insufflation) if I've got freebase?
I'm assuming dissolved water is best for salt.

How long should I leave the blotters in the solution before 'wringing' them out?

Sorry for all the questions!

I've never extracted anything from a blotter (I've done other extractions, though ) but I've been working with 25C-NBOMe lately, so I can give you some informed suggestions.

a) read the last pages on ths thread. information on how to convert the freebase into a salt is there.

b) I believe you can't know if it's freebase or salt. better ask the vendor!

c) freebase should be soluble in ethanol, so do like this
1. soak your blotter in a reasonable amount of ethanol.
2. after some stirring for about 5 minutes remove the ethanol and save it.
3. Add more ethanol to the blotter and do the same.
4.join both liquids and let evaporate throughly
5. add dH20 and convert into a salt (see above). The amount of dH2O should not be too large, just enough for you to insuflate. and thus use the appropriate amount and dillution of HCl. It may be easier to work with all the blotters at once but if something goes wrong, there goes your investment!

 

[Beanfreak]

Cheers Rorthron, Thats really helpful.

Let me just clarify then (cos I'm dumb and dont want to waste any!!)...

I can't get any ethanol but I can get 95% ABV polish vodka which based on other peoples reports will be fine, correct?

And once all the ethanol has evaporated, I'm left with freebase powder.
Then I just add the right amount of dH20 to insufflate (would 0.2ml per 350µg blotter be ok) and a very small amount of dilute HCL to lower the pH enough that the solution becomes slightly acidic.
You said approx pH 6 is good in a previous post.

This is my final 25C solution?

 

[Rorthron]

Cheers Rorthron, Thats really helpful.

Let me just clarify then (cos I'm dumb and dont want to waste any!!)...

I can't get any ethanol but I can get 95% ABV polish vodka which based on other peoples reports will be fine, correct?

Yup. I expect so.

And once all the ethanol has evaporated, I'm left with freebase powder.
Then I just add the right amount of dH20 to insufflate (would 0.2ml per 350µg blotter be ok) and a very small amount of dilute HCL to lower the pH enough that the solution becomes slightly acidic.
You said approx pH 6 is good in a previous post.

This is my final 25C solution?

0.2ml is fine for insufflation, but it's a tiny amount! More likely than not you will loose some actives that will be on the wall of your container. Better use more than that to wash your vodka container and evaporate with a fan until you are left with a few drops in the bottom.

3 drops in each nostril are enough before dripping to the back of your throat starts to happen. In my eye dropper 6 drops are about 0.4 ml ( this varies a lot from instruments and solutions, so check, and double check, the average volume of a drop from your eye dropper)

 

[Tornchemist]

I just finished laying 300µg of 25C-NBOme onto 2 sugar cubes (could have fit on one but I had to double the volume of the suspension liquid).

I'm pretty sure this will be a fairly accurate dose because I used an adjustable micro pipette calibrated to 300µL to lay the cubes.

Going to bioassay in the morning, ROA sublingual.

 

[IGNVS]

let us know how that goes. is there any reason you are not experimenting with a surficant? lecithin is real easy to come by

 

[Tornchemist]

Normally I would but I was only preparing a small batch from a new supplier, and I ran into the solubility issue at around 11pm and didn't have anything on hand.

 

[El Pablo]

I'm just coming down off my initial test with ~200µg of 25C-NBOMe. Overall impressions where that this was a good starting dose but that higher doses will be much more rewarding.

The effects built over the first 20 mins to a peak lasting around one and a half hours and then tapered off to baseline around 6 hours after I started. OEV and CEV where mainly fractal with little morphing and the mindfuckery and audio distorsions where similar to what I get after taking shrooms.

Something that I wasn't expecting was the nausea which hit about 45 mins in and lasted a good 15 mins. It was easily manageable but I'll defiantly hitting the ginger and eating something before my next trip.

 

[Rorthron]

Here's the results of 3 initial tests with varying dosages of 25C-NBOMe

Subject: male, ~70 kg

All tests with self administered liquid Hydrochloric solution in dH2O

Trial 1
about 120 ug insufflated + 60 ug sublingual.
Took about 30 minutes to start manifesting anything. Some nausea, not too much, though, and some vasoconstriction. Extremities got numb, cold all over the body and some shivering. Real psychedelic mindspace, but not too intense. a comfortable ( if not for the physical symptoms) ++. At T+2.00 back to baseline, and at T+2.30 able to sleep. (I always sleep easily)

Trial 2 ( 1 week after)
~240 ug insufflated.
First signs at T+0.15 Again numbness of the extremities and cold all over. The same nausea but a bit stronger. Much more psychedelic than the initial trial but, unfortunately a difficult trip full of negative thoughts. Mild Mydriasis. This state lasted about 1:00. I can characterize it as a low +++. Some CEVs and OEVs, but due to the low psychic state nothing was pleasant. Able to sleep at T+4.00 after some late hour movie to get out of the bad effects


Trial 3 (2 weeks after last trial)
~420 ug insufflated
First signs at T+0.05. Finger tips insensitized. This caused some anxiety that dissipated gradually through the trip. As a music player, my finger tips are particularly sensitive, and it was disturbing to loose it. Much more cold all over the body than in previous experiences. At T+0.20 it was a full blown psychedelic experience. Strong CEVs with multiplying realities and dreamscapes, OEVs with disentangled and morphing objects. It was deep emotionally but my body felt pretty weak and in the first hour, continuously shivering. Also some persistent light nausea and intestinal discomfort. I was listening to chilling music and let myself be carried with it. I do not know if I could stand a more pop beat. It was very introspective, and music appreciation was considerably increased. For the next 2 hours I was entering successive realities resurfacing to "reality" every 15 minutes or so. A clear and solid +++. Anxiety level dropped during the trip, which was nice, but sensitivity in the finger tips was only regained at T+3.30. Got off the plateau at T+2.45, but was still tripping hard for at least 1.00. This was an overall positive experience, comparable to some of my best 4-AcO-DMT, although lighter on the mind. One is more sharp focused and reality is more easily switched on or off.
At T+ 4.30 could go to sleep, but was difficult, during to strong imagery still on the mind. In the morning, a slight headache, probably due to lack of sleep.

Overall a real positive substance that shows itself better at dosages >300ug. Differently than others I did not find it particularly euphoric. Quite the contrary. I don't imagine myself socializing or in a rave with it. YMMV of course.

Next trial will be 500 ugs, in a month or so.

 

[rainey]

Tried one and a third blotters on sat night. Onr blotter is 350ug so just under 500ug in total. I placed the blotters in my upper gum between gum and cheek as I was advised it was more effective to sublingual. Was 3 hrs into 250mg of 4mmc. Superb! Best rc i`ve ever had with no doubt. No visuals of any kind but definately sight distortion. Very smooth indeed an felt no neg effects whatsoever. This could be addictive.

Reccomend this one to everyone. Would have no problem out socialising on this.

 

[StuckMojo]

1 300ug blotter nothing.
2 300ug blotter slight perception change
3 300ug blotter faint faint faint oev
It took 5 300ug squares under tongue for the visuals to fully flower. Great experience. Sleep difficult.

 

[rainey]

1 300ug blotter nothing.
2 300ug blotter slight perception change
3 300ug blotter faint faint faint oev
It took 5 300ug squares under tongue for the visuals to fully flower. Great experience. Sleep difficult.

change supplier

isnt that obvious?

 

[any major dude]

sounds like it could be at a lower dosage than stated. However, i wouldn't chalk it all up to that until i'd tried some alternate ROAs. Under the tongue didn't work very well for me, but nasally.... bbaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzing!