The Big and Dandy LSD/Acid Questions Thread III- 'The Bicycle Trip'

[recons]

sweet, thanks for the tips.

 

[schmangle]

Wow!

Greetings all

After being a terribly lazy person and getting rapped over the knuckles for not UTFS, I have now read this ENTIRE thread from part 1 - 3. IMO, its the funniest, kindest, wackiest, most interesting thread on bluelight. A great, entertaining, informative read

2 things struck me:
1. Blase Deviant has disappeared into other threads and onto new equally scary drug combos, and now rates lsd as the most overrated drug (i found this hugely amusing)

2. From the reports on here, seems like the strength of an average blotter/drop has decreased HUGELY (not sure what part of the world most of the posters are from...). In 1988, in South Africa, taking 6-10 trips at once was considered seriously hardcore - only for the true space cadets exploring the outer boundaries. Now it seems like quite a blase amount to do. I still get trips now where 1 /1.5 is quite enough for a really decent happy trip - 3 to 4 is quite enough for a serious trip. Is the acid in the US/europe really that weak these days??? Maybe based on the fact that its moved into the "commercial" markets, rather than being more of an underground drug?

Questions:
1. Still have a question re blotter and liquid (vials) storage - which is better for storage for approx 3-4 months - freezer or fridge? I live in a hot hot country. My freezer is super freezingl. Blotters and vials are wrapped in foil and inside baggies. The condensation thingie with the freezer has me confused and a tad worried...

2. Would my body heat from carrying around vials or blotters (well wrapped) right next to my skin for a few hours cause degradation? (again, I live in a hot hot country)

3. How the hell do you get somebody having a really bad trip and in desperate need of a valium or 2 to take the bloody things without them deciding you are trying to poison them and running off into the forest for 6 hours, after which you have to launch a search party...

Me:
Started taking acid in 1989 (aged 17)), stopped in 1996 after a trip that car-washed, lasered and shattered my brain for days (and accomplished what would have been years of psychotherapy in 12 hours). Started tripping again about 8 months ago after an 11 year break. Have been having huge amounts of fun learning that acid in smaller doses is just asso wonderful and beautiful - just more subtle - and that you still return with lessons every time. Have recently started experimenting with higher doses, and find it interesting how much stronger my brain is now in terms of refusing or ignoring the paranoic/dark aspects, exploring the avenues I want to go etc.

enough waffle%)

 

[TheAppleCore]

Holy shit. I ended up taking the acid last night, and FUCK is that stuff powerful!

It's EXACTLY what I was looking for in a drug!! Haha!

Man, where do I start?! I think one of the most powerful aspects of the trip was the INCREDIBLE symphony that was playing in my mind the entire time. I preferred to just sit there in total silence than to listen to any music, just because my own mind was so much more fascinating. Layer upon layer of powerful music perfectly mimicking my emotions. I became confused, and harsh sounding synthesizers played clashing chords; the perfect music for 'confusion'. I became happy, and the synthesizers resolved into a beautiful melody. I never quite understood where "psychedelic" music came from, but now I do!!

And of course, the train of thought. It flowed so much more easily, it made thinking about anything amazing. And all of this seemed like such a perfectly seamless extension of normal sobriety, that I was seriously questioning whether I was really tripping, or if I was just fooling myself, at some points in the trip.

Anyways, I better not let this turn into too much of a trip report. The thing I wanted to get to was the "bad" turn it had. Right as I was peaking, I don't know what made him do it, but my dad decided to blast right into my room. I had my lights on because I was writing down some things in my journal. He never actually discovered that I was tripping, but the fear that he somehow knew suddenly totally overwhelmed me, and the second half of the trip was an intense dysphoria that I could not overcome for the life of me. I put on the most relaxing music I had, but that was of no use. The fear that my dad knew I was tripping was instilled into my subconscious, and whenever it was brought up into my conscious train of thought, my psyche took a huge beating. I'm still trying to figure out if my mind was trying to tell me something, or if the fear of getting caught was simply amplified when tripping?

I don't regret it though. It taught me that acid was NOT to be fucked with, even at a relatively low dose. I had virtually no closed eye visuals, and very minimal open eye visuals or distortions (I base the dosage on this); even so, the trip was more powerful than I ever could have imagined.

Anyways, it was an incredible experience, and I will definitely be using this substance again in the near future.

 

[spawn6of69satan6]

If you needed to know how to lay blotter, you wouldn't be asking here. --SKL

i have noticed that some portions of the sheet seem to be stronger, is this caused by the way they distribute it?

 

[SKL]

If you needed to know how to lay blotter, you wouldn't be asking here. --SKL

i have noticed that some portions of the sheet seem to be stronger, is this caused by the way they distribute it?

No. Blotter should be the same strength throughout. If this is not the case, it is because it has been handled/degraded in one way or another.

 

[spawn6of69satan6]

i was not asking for directions on how to "lay' blotter i was simply wondering how it was done. so if it's handled through the bag with fingers does that make it rub off aswell? or do you NEED two pairs of clamper things so you touch as little of the sheet at once?

 

[Black]

2. From the reports on here, seems like the strength of an average blotter/drop has decreased HUGELY (not sure what part of the world most of the posters are from...). In 1988, in South Africa, taking 6-10 trips at once was considered seriously hardcore - only for the true space cadets exploring the outer boundaries. Now it seems like quite a blase amount to do. I still get trips now where 1 /1.5 is quite enough for a really decent happy trip - 3 to 4 is quite enough for a serious trip. Is the acid in the US/europe really that weak these days??? Maybe based on the fact that its moved into the "commercial" markets, rather than being more of an underground drug?

in my experience the acid here in europe is quite good. i may have been lucky when buying and i am a little bit more sensitive to lsd than average joe, but anything above one hit is hardcore psychedelia for me. on half a hit or one hit (if they are weaker) i can still dance or communicate with my fellow trippers. but they usually do cost more than in the us…

 

[specialrelativity]

Ever had a trip where everything melted, feet, hands, floor, chair, you, walls, ceiling? How's that for freedom from outside distractions? Rest in Peace Anita. We'll always remember.

 

[EntheoDjinn]

..... The thing I wanted to get to was the "bad" turn it had. Right as I was peaking, I don't know what made him do it, but my dad decided to blast right into my room.

What did I tell you .......
Anyway - glad you enjoyed the first part. Sort out the setting, and next time you might have 8 hours of total bliss

 

[TheAppleCore]

What did I tell you .......
Anyway - glad you enjoyed the first part. Sort out the setting, and next time you might have 8 hours of total bliss

Yeah, definitely... I was planning on laying in bed the whole time, so that if my dad popped in I'd just be "asleep"... but everything was so blissful I couldn't imagine it going wrong, it was just all good feelings... until of course I found out how easy it is for the trip to completely make a U-turn.

Anyways, during the second part of the trip, my heart started beating at alarming rates, it shot up to >200 BPM at some points, I'm sure. Resting rate was probably around 150 for awhile. Did I do any damage to my body, or is this normal during hard parts of a trip?

 

[swilow]

^Elevated heart rate isn't 'normal'- LSD doens't really have great cardiac stimulatory properties, in my experience at least- however, if your dad had just barged in, then anxiety woukd likely have manifested and your heart rate would go up. Most likely you were MASSIVELY overcounting, and perhaps even mixing up numbers....I know that on LSD theres absolutely no point in me having any onvolvemnet with numbers- money, time, it all means nothing. Anywa, you won't have damaged your body. If you heart rate WAS going 200, you may have, but I higly doubt that it got that fast. Our bodies CAN go up to high BPMs if requred but just can't sustain it for long. The best thing to do if you do get concerned aout your heart rate when tripping is use your oh-so-imaginative mind to slow it down. Biofeedback, whatever....breathing and relaxing will slow your heart rate; slowing your heart rate will healp you breathe and relax. You can't go wrong!

 

[TheAppleCore]

^Elevated heart rate isn't 'normal'- LSD doens't really have great cardiac stimulatory properties, in my experience at least- however, if your dad had just barged in, then anxiety woukd likely have manifested and your heart rate would go up. Most likely you were MASSIVELY overcounting, and perhaps even mixing up numbers....I know that on LSD theres absolutely no point in me having any onvolvemnet with numbers- money, time, it all means nothing. Anywa, you won't have damaged your body. If you heart rate WAS going 200, you may have, but I higly doubt that it got that fast. Our bodies CAN go up to high BPMs if requred but just can't sustain it for long. The best thing to do if you do get concerned aout your heart rate when tripping is use your oh-so-imaginative mind to slow it down. Biofeedback, whatever....breathing and relaxing will slow your heart rate; slowing your heart rate will healp you breathe and relax. You can't go wrong!

Hey, thanks a lot, swilow... that was reassuring. I'm pretty sure my tripping brain miscalculated my heart rate, normally I have a pretty stable heart rate.

If my heart rate really did get that high, though, what kind of damage could I have done? My brain was feeling pretty useless the next day, and I was a little bit paranoid about a small stroke. I tend to get kind of paranoid about medical things, though...

 

[swilow]

^A heart attack would be your best bet, strokes usually occurr under high blood pressure which can accompany rapid heart beat, but not always. I think 'your brain feeling a bit useless' wouldn't exactly summarise the experience of having had a stroke. LSD gives some people a bit of fogginess the next day; nothing to worry about though. In other words- your fine. LSD is remarkably physically safe.

 

[chinesefoodman]

Hey, any advice for a first time LSD user?

Other than making sure I got one of my close friends with me (he'll be tripping with me) and a setting I'm used to/trust (my home). I've done mushrooms and had a bad experience due to unexpected visitors (10 of them ) and I took too much in my opinion for my first time with a true hallucinogen.

 

[Don Luigi]

The first piece of advice is always: research, research research! Go to www.erowid.org as a start!

 

[chinesefoodman]

Oh of course, erowid is my honorary homepage. I'm more talkin about things to do while I'm tripping (or like immediately before).

 

[MasterOfDeception]

Music ; Walk In The Nature ; Shower ; Philosophise ; Think about yourself and life/reality ; Let Go ;

 

[B9]

.breathing and relaxing will slow your heart rate; slowing your heart rate will healp you breathe and relax. You can't go wrong!

Yup used it before myself in stressful situations when tripping.


However - it is alleged that Operation Julie was kickstarted by the death of a young woman in a pub from a heart attack. She'd been spiked with acid by two soldiers from a local garrison - somewhere in cloudy olde england.

Poor woman.

 

[specialrelativity]

Like Mr. Miyagi said, "breathing very important, daniel-san"

 

[MasterOfDeception]

Yup used it before myself in stressful situations when tripping.


However - it is alleged that Operation Julie was kickstarted by the death of a young woman in a pub from a heart attack. She'd been spiked with acid by two soldiers from a local garrison - somewhere in cloudy olde england.

Poor woman.

fear obviously plays some role, even when sober someone can have a heard attack from too much startle/fear all of a sudden... Usually in middle-aged ppl though