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The Big and Dandy Ketamine Thread (Next iteration)

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Sunburn said:
I was recently offered K.

I have done LSD and shrooms. How would one compare K to these.

Also, is it a drug that you can use socially?
Can you enjoy sex?

Im having a hard time looking all of this up.
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yes, you can use it socially if you only do very small bumps. even at higher doses, you could be social if its the right people. high doses do tend to kinda knock you out a bit though.

sex? yeah, but you really gotta make it happen, unlike e or speed......
 
I have not read through the whole thread, but probably will at some point! Some of these doses thrown around here sound insane.

Anyway, after trying about 30+ psych meds as well as a bi-lateral Electroconvulsive therapy on high power(the ECT caused worse side effects than all those drugs combined & some were permanent like memory loss) from 2 different doctors, my newer doctor was open to try new things. He suggested Ketamine & prescribed a spray bottle of 3 grams(each spray is 10mg).

I'm not sure quite how Ketamine tolerance works. I have no desire to experience the psychedelic effects of it at all, only the stuff that helps the illness. The effect is fantastic as it helps get rid of depression & social/general anxiety(for me). However, it only lasts between 60-90 minutes. When you factor that its only every other day, thats a very small percent of the time.

Usually, I try 4-5 sprays( 40-50mg) every other day to avoid tolerance. I'm not sure what that translates to in IM injections? It seems to work pretty well, but I don't know how often I can take it without getting tolerant.

I've read of people taking low doses every single day. So I tried doing this, by the 4th day I tried it and it lowered anxiety but didn't seem to work too well. Of course I was dealing with a grouchy person on that day, so that very well could have ruined any objective review of it. If I knew I could benefit from taking it daily or multiple times a day, I definitely would. It would allow me to be far more productive. But, I've never been addicted to anything in my life & don't want to start either.

Any thoughts or personal experience is welcome here. Thankyou!
 
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I really don't think ketamine is something that should be used for continuous treatment. I've read about people taking large doses of ketamine (and getting into the more mind altering nature of the drug), and having it help remove depression for about a week.

But the problem with ketamine is, you can develop tolerance fairly easily. Not to mention continuous use can cause some very serious bladder problems.

Honestly, I really don't think any drugs are going to fix your depression and anxiety. In my experience, these are issues that you have to deal with yourself, and do so without drugs. There isn't any drug that's going to magically fix your problems, and using drugs will probably just make things worse (whether it's prescription or recreational substances). Eating healthy and exercise go a long way too. But imo the most important thing is to try to develop a more positive perspective on things. And accept the fact that these are just issues you are going to have to deal with to some extent.
 
Prea said:
I really don't think ketamine is something that should be used for continuous treatment. I've read about people taking large doses of ketamine (and getting into the more mind altering nature of the drug), and having it help remove depression for about a week.

But the problem with ketamine is, you can develop tolerance fairly easily. Not to mention continuous use can cause some very serious bladder problems.

Honestly, I really don't think any drugs are going to fix your depression and anxiety. In my experience, these are issues that you have to deal with yourself, and do so without drugs. There isn't any drug that's going to magically fix your problems, and using drugs will probably just make things worse (whether it's prescription or recreational substances). Eating healthy and exercise go a long way too. But imo the most important thing is to try to develop a more positive perspective on things. And accept the fact that these are just issues you are going to have to deal with to some extent.
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Believe me Prea, that's something someone who hasn't had it would say. The only reason I'm not having deep, horrific depression right now...is because of drugs. I'm not talking about getting depressed because someone you know died, or you lost your job, but decade-long, officially diagnosed, treatment resistant depression in which you have multiple family members who suffer from both it & anxiety.

The meds *allow* you to even get to the point where you can begin to treat the depression with Cognitive Therapy, because without them there is just no way.

For a long time, I have never suffered under the delusion that any drug will magically fix all my problems. I've never been addicted to any drug in my life. I haven't drank more than a total of 1 cap of alcohol in 5 years & I exercise 6 days a week for an hour and a half as well as eat healthy. I've tried therapy & that is something that absolutely will not work unless your mind as at the level to receive it, which when your nearly suicidal to the point of needing your brain shocked...it isn't. If it was that easy as "developing a more positive perspective"....believe me I would have done it. It's like telling someone with cancer not to use meds & rely on "positive" perspective to beat the illness. Or "Sorry, cancer treatment doesn't work, just think positive & die". I'm a little bit more persistent than that, thank god.

Anyways to everyone else, I would still appreciate feedback on the original question.
 
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Yeah, Jamshyd wrote instructions for a method that worked for him and others have reported that it worked for them. You may have already seen it. It involves taking very low doses at regular intervals, for a certain amount of time, and he found that no tolerance developed and it kept him in a perpetual state of goodness that lasted far longer than he was dosing. It's worth a try. And given that you've never really used drugs, your doses might be lower than his.
 
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Yeah, Jamshyd wrote instructions for a method that worked for him and others have reported that it worked for them. You may have already seen it. It involves taking very low doses at regular intervals, for a certain amount of time, and he found that no tolerance developed and it kept him in a perpetual state of goodness that lasted far longer than he was dosing. It's worth a try. And given that you've never really used drugs, your doses might be lower than his.
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Thanks, I actually read it. It was interesting method. But it would make sense according to the study they did on it. They just gave treatment resistant people one big dose of Ketamine & some of them reported they felt better for the next week.

I have tried PMing him, but I think his box is full. I imagine that post though contains all the info I would need. Thanks for the responses!
 
Xorkoth said:
Yeah, Jamshyd wrote instructions for a method that worked for him and others have reported that it worked for them. You may have already seen it. It involves taking very low doses at regular intervals, for a certain amount of time, and he found that no tolerance developed and it kept him in a perpetual state of goodness that lasted far longer than he was dosing. It's worth a try. And given that you've never really used drugs, your doses might be lower than his.
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Wouldn't kidney/bladder damage still be a concern though?
 
Prea said:
Wouldn't kidney/bladder damage still be a concern though?
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I don't know, it may depend on the amount someone is taking though. I understand what you were saying earlier Prea, that no drug will solve all your problems. But I think that the right regime, can help people focus on other things & get on with their lives.

For instance, I take Klonopin. It does not work as well as when I first started years ago, but it works somewhat. They are different, but if someone does a huge dose like 1 gram of Ketamine, it seems like it would create tolerance just like people doing a huge amount of benzo's would.

The main question is, if Ketamine doesn't work so well long-term, then why did they do studies in which it helped reduced Chronic pain, with patients using 100mg+ doses a day for 26-50 months.

http://www.cja-jca.org/cgi/content/full/49/8/886-a#T

Once again, I could be totally wrong & it could turn out to be addictive or useless after long-term use or something like that. But usually when I have a hunch something will help it does, as I never give most medications a shot in hell at working.
 
But R-ketamine is supposed to be the enantiomer that makes you feel like (and I like this description) "everything is beyond fucked up and your legs are attached to your neck" right??, qualitatively this matches some of my experiences with ketamine but not all, and apparently I have been handed isolated isomers before.
Couldn't get the stuff in any form for more than a couple of times in the last 4-5 years I've been interested... finally! I got me a decent place to fix me up with pure needle-crystals of the tripping kind of Ket. Holy shit, the immersion is stunning! I experience derealisation almost every time I do a significant dose :D
 
think it would be ok to do K after you have taken some valerian root? I took some about an hour ago since it helps a little with anxiety, but its not a strong downer or anything just like mild valium, think a few lines would be ok?
 
I finally thought of something that expresses well how my body feels like on K: like stone, cold stringy stone...
 
I'm curious as to the nature of oral Ketamine. This may of been mentioned several times but I can not find it after a few quick searches.

Firstly, are oral doses as desirable in effect as with insluffated, if the comparable potency is taken? Also is a K hole still reached easily at high enough oral doses? I do have a suspicion that oral K at these high doses would simply last too long and the comeup be to gradual, resulting in a heavy intoxication. I gather the shock of the comeup may be important to breakthrough into K land.
 
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My first oral experience with K...
15 minutes after ingestion- felt nausea
+15-20 sight went blurry
+20-spewed up-felt better- put music on (trance)...had closed eye visuals for about an hour then fell asleep, had some strange but pleasant dreams
 
avoid mixing K with GHB.
Also avoid mixing it with kratom.
And also avoid mixing it with pentacozine.
Also avoid using K with excessive amounts of alcohol.
And don't use phenibut.
All of these really do not mix with K, as I know from esperience.
Results in terrible nausea, headaches, dizziness, weakness.
 
Alcohol (usually in enough amounts to be considered drunk by myself and others) followed by a normal bump/line of ketamine followed only in disastrous effects and also took away from the experience by a lot. As well I find that a beer or two at the tail end of a ketamine dose esp if ur the kind of person that stays up from ketamine that it fits good.
 
Yeah I don't like the feeling either with alcohol, the spinning sensation can be a bit much with ketamine on top of it... Also I don't like the intoxicating feeling. I've tried it with small amounts of GHB but I find it doesn't add anything interesting enough anyway.

My housemate tried ketamine for the first time recently and it was my 100% R-ketamine crystals. He took quite enough but he had been drinking in a club before and was aftering at our place with friends. He decided to put down a rail and got so messed up he had to leave the other guys and barged into my room while I was trying to sleep at like 5 a.m.

He kept tripping in my room so I put on some really vague music for him, got up with some modafinil and smoked a joint to accompany him. I also gave him my mindfold, a sort of blind fold visor for meditating developed by Alex Grey. Great tool for holing indeed!

He thought it was pretty awesome but was also overwhelmed by the bizarness of the trip, nearing an out of body mystical experience. It blew his mind but he really didn't take it lightly, comparing it to mushrooms which you can't do very often from the intensity.

Personally I find it overwhelming and disorientating as well, but I quickly recover from that feeling - plus K cushions some of the shock.
 
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