The Big and Dandy Ketamine Thread (Next iteration)

[xbLeAcHx]

i wouldnt think a plastic bottle would hurt the k, and it certainly wouldnt eat through the bottle

 

[MokumChemist]

which do you guys prefer, S-ketamine or R-ketamine?

I prefer S-ketamine. I don't particularly enjoy low-dose ketamine of any kind, wouldn't choose to sniff bumps of k at a club or house party since it's not in the least pro-social for me. I gather that most people prefer racemic ketamine for that kind of use. I don't find k at all euphoric either. Infinitely fascinating, occasionally awe-inspiring, but never euphoric...

I like to take a solid dose ( 80mg - 120mg ) of s-ketamine, usually on my own, lying comfortably in a dark room with eyes closed. That way, I can really explore the super-vivid stream of images, concepts, places and transformations that appear while your external senses are so muted. For this kind of use, I find S-ketamine to be more efficient than racemic.

 

[bluedolphin]

Racemic, S and R at equal ratios. Works fine

I tried this somewhat recently actually. Should have been 75% S+ and 25% R- as it was mixed...

I assumed this would be the best Ketamine I had ever done. But it kind of dropped me into a somewhat bizarre state, I actually lost track of about 3 hours and found it somewhat dysphoric.

I do enjoy S-Ketamine on its own but I'd rather have some Ketaset.

 

[KinkyKetter]

I prefer S+ and I go for K-holes far more than recreational use. Your typical party goer will probably prefer racemic but even in a social setter I prefer S+. I also have K-hole'd countless times so I can handle myself easily on high doses of K.

I need to note I haven't done pure S+ yet...only what my guess was 3/4s S+ and 1/4 R. [edited... we don't need to know this, please consider who may be reading these forums-- bluedolphin] I'm interested to IV it too since IVing seams to take the trippyness out of K.

i was very nervous (community bathrooms with people who wouldn't appreciate needles) and so i was wayyyyy twitchy and accidentally ended up spilling more than half of the solution i made there goes like .6g of K.

Lol...wait till you're K'd out! I couldn't even guess how many grams I've seen spilt. When I had a K problem I could dose all night just from what I scrapped off the counter, computer, ect. haha.

do you thin storing liquid K in a plastic bottle like lets say a eye drops bottle would be a bad idea? would it eat through the bottle or denature the k?

I've stored 114mg/ml K in plastic water bottles and mouthwash bottles for a month at a time.

 

[psood0nym]

For a fraction of the cost of all that K you guys spilled you could've bought an extensive collection of sterile sealed serum vials. Get at least one big vial and one big syringe to fill it up/take it out. No more spills. A sound investment for the certifiably "k-tarded".

 

[vortex30]

Wow, Ketamine is a bit of a bitch, ain't she? No, no, I'm sorry darling I don't mean that, lol, but damn! Over 3 months with no K, I get 700mg of this AMAZING, crystalline, never seen crystals in K like this before, K yesterday, and I still have my bloody tolerance! Norketamine is not interesting at all but that seems to be just about all that is reaching my brain. I feel numb and disconnected for hours, but that psychedelic rollercoaster is BARELY there. Some of my limbs may feel like they're shifting or growing, or it may feel like my whole body is moving ever so slightly, like flowing down a river, but no intense loop de loops and sudden drops and amazing spinning things I used to get from such a small amount of K. I did 75-100mg last night and it was OK, but I deemed that my re-introduction, disappointing but definitely there. Today I did probably 150-200mg and I mean, I was tripping out a bit, roommate came home forcing me down for a smoke as he grilled me with all these wierd questions, but I was walking around outside smoking, probably know one thought I was more than a bit drunk (not that I'd want them too, only a year ago on 150-200mg of K I'd have been walking in a retarded fashion, jumping every few steps with a big grin on my face and not a care in the world, aha.

Man, K tolerance is terrible, for those that try K, and like K, don't use K daily sometimes for weeks on it, it really screws you over for life in terms of never reaching that amazingly lucid state.

 

[B9]

^ 23 Bluelight points for the most accurate post about ketamine tolerance - I couldn't have said it as well myself but I agree 100%

 

[fastandbulbous]

For a fraction of the cost of all that K you guys spilled you could've bought an extensive collection of sterile sealed serum vials. Get at least one big vial and one big syringe to fill it up/take it out. No more spills. A sound investment for the certifiably "k-tarded".

Second this wholeheartedly as it also does a far better job of keeping the contents sterile than anything that opens to the air. When you have no concept of up & down, gravity or cause and effect, then having ketamine soln in containers with screw tops etc is probably going to end in tears (and very soggy clothing if past experience is anything to go by).

I have a 60ml glass vial with rubber septum - that's a lot of ketamine if made up at 200mg/ml (yes I have tolerance issues as well )

 

[KinkyKetter]

For a fraction of the cost of all that K you guys spilled you could've bought an extensive collection of sterile sealed serum vials. Get at least one big vial and one big syringe to fill it up/take it out. No more spills. A sound investment for the certifiably "k-tarded".

I have them but don't really bother. They dull the needle and K cost next to nothing for me so spilling it doesn't bother me. Actually I spend more money in needles then K and I usually buy extreme bulk at a time since it saves money in the long run. I prefer just an open vial, but very large one so I don't hit the needle on the bottom.

Also since the whole sterilization thing was brought up again I gotta call out again and say the risk of abscesses are almost none existent. Me and my group of buddy's went on the first K binge in year. I paid close attention to what care was taken in sterilization...err not take. None of them used alcohol wipes, they all reused needles (couples shared), none used sterile anything--except needles at first, I saw a needle dropped in the carpet many times, needles were just set out---a few people getting pricked by others needles which were then reused, and uhmm.. hmm, oh I saw two people take needles out of the trash because we used all of what we brought with us, most of them used tap water that was sucked out of a closed kitchen or bathroom sink of all things, and that's all I can think of. Six of us went through about 20g when I witnessed all that...most of us use 50-80mg at a time since we weren't K-holing much. Still haven't had anyone I know personally get one.

 

[Alchemist]

I have them but don't really bother. They dull the needle and K cost next to nothing for me so spilling it doesn't bother me. Actually I spend more money in needles then K and I usually buy extreme bulk at a time since it saves money in the long run. I prefer just an open vial, but very large one so I don't hit the needle on the bottom.

Also since the whole sterilization thing was brought up again I gotta call out again and say the risk of abscesses are almost none existent. Me and my group of buddy's went on the first K binge in year. I paid close attention to what care was taken in sterilization...err not take. None of them used alcohol wipes, they all reused needles (couples shared), none used sterile anything--except needles at first, I saw a needle dropped in the carpet many times, needles were just set out---a few people getting pricked by others needles which were then reused, and uhmm.. hmm, oh I saw two people take needles out of the trash because we used all of what we brought with us, most of them used tap water that was sucked out of a closed kitchen or bathroom sink of all things, and that's all I can think of. Six of us went through about 20g when I witnessed all that...most of us use 50-80mg at a time since we weren't K-holing much. Still haven't had anyone I know personally get one.

damm your just asking for trouble doing that shit. it only takes one time sharing needles for your life to get seriously fucked up. syringes cost next to nothing, theres no reason to share especially with K. And you say your gettin your K for next to nothing....be safe man dont share

 

[psood0nym]

I have them but don't really bother. They dull the needle and K cost next to nothing for me so spilling it doesn't bother me. Actually I spend more money in needles then K and I usually buy extreme bulk at a time since it saves money in the long run. I prefer just an open vial, but very large one so I don't hit the needle on the bottom.

The soft thin septum dulls needle tips? I seriously doubt it does so in any way that is subjectively noticeable beyond purely psychological suggestion. I've never hit the bottom of the vial (which can dull tips because it's glass) precisely because the septum keeps the needle from reaching the bottom when in comes in contact with the start of the barrel.

As for the rest of your post, don't trust personal history and the anecdotes of friends. Our bias towards trust in our own experience and the experiences of friends for medical advice (and a lot else) is a evolutionary holdover from the days before statistical methods, epidemiologists, demographers, risk analysis, social psychologists, etc.--when, in other words, the intra/interpersonal strategy was better than nothing. We are emotionally and unconsciously predisposed to irrational judgments about many things. In reality, for most things, the statistics apply to me and you both, and advice that issues from those statistics is a far better guide to behavior than what we are predisposed to rely on. It's like wearing a seat belt--a little bit of work for a potentially huge pay off (Bullshit! I've spent my whole life riding in soft-seated, quiet, comfortable cars and I haven't died once!) You've just been lucky.

 

[KinkyKetter]

damm your just asking for trouble doing that shit. it only takes one time sharing needles for your life to get seriously fucked up. syringes cost next to nothing, theres no reason to share especially with K. And you say your gettin your K for next to nothing....be safe man dont share

I don't see why couples who have frequent unprotected sex shouldn't share needles? I don't know much about the subject, is there something you can catch from sharing needles that you can't from having unprotected sex?

For my GF and I it isn't to save money...because we end up using the same amount of needles in the end. It just makes things easier to load up two doses in one syringe then splitting it.

The soft thin septum dulls needle tips? I seriously doubt it does so in any way that is subjectively noticeable beyond purely psychological suggestion. I've never hit the bottom of the vial (which can dull tips because it's glass) precisely because the septum keeps the needle from reaching the bottom when in comes in contact with the start of the barrel.

The genuine K bottles from the vet definitely do dull needles but they aren't nearly as thin as the ones I bought for my vials. The other ones I bought probably aren't the most thin on the market but they aren't bad. With my 30-31g needles I'm fairly sure they do physically dull the needles. It seams I can only get 3-4 uses out of them versus 6-7, still being slightly sharper. If not then they definitely cause them to break or bend after less repeated use.

 

[the_ketaman]

^^Your worried about dulling your needles but you think its ok to share a needle with someone who is disease free? Thats a little strange IMO.

Never share needles with anyone, its completely stupid to even think about doing it.

I havent done K in years and ive never injected it in any way, but I definitely like the stuff for its sedative qualities as the downfall of many other psychedelics is the long duration and excess stimulation you get physically and psychologically. I consider K to be in the same category as psychedelics just like I consider Speed and H to be in the same league as theyre both hard drugs though they dont have many if any similar effects.

I dont know if i'll ever get to try it again because too many people think its a horse tranquilizer, that is the sole reason they wont go near it.

 

[vortex30]

Maybe Speed and H both being highly addictive drugs is a better analogy than hard drugs because I'd probably group K as a pretty hard drug, not life destroying but still, it is very powerful, causes much strain on the old thinker, quite addictive for some people, commonly injected...Pretty much what I'd say a hard drug is, K is just missing the completely life destroying effects, but with enough abuse, I'm sure it too can.

 

[clayfig]

on the ketvet 1000 vials it say in the composition's section that it contains ketemina and exclplente c.s.p what is the thing other than ketamine?

 

[Sandbag]

on the ketvet 1000 vials it say in the composition's section that it contains ketemina and exclplente c.s.p what is the thing other than ketamine?

Some inert compound that's added to stabilize the solution or possibly perform a handful of other functions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excipient

PS. Next weekend ftw...

 

[delic]

I finally caught up with all the posts in this thread and the archive, and it sure inspires a hankering to try K! I have a few questions I would like to ask. For one, I noticed that there has been extensive discussion of the possible routes of administration of K - oral, buccal, rectal, insufflated, subcutaneously, IM and IV - but what about smoked (i.e., vaporized)? I assume that all the other routes have used the hydrochloride, and vaporization would include the minor hassle of converting the HCl to the base, but I don't see why vaporization should be any less efficient than IM.

 

[SKL]

I think the consensus is you can smoke it but it is wasteful, possibly harmful, and carries no added benefit.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Never share needles with anyone, its completely stupid to even think about doing it.

Even if it's your partner, you never know what they were getting up to before you met them & some diseases like hepatitis C can have a 10 year latent period before they start to produce symptoms (but they're still able to pass it on)

is there something you can catch from sharing needles that you can't from having unprotected sex?

Well of the top of my head, malaria...

 

[delic]

I think the consensus is you can smoke it but it is wasteful, possibly harmful, and carries no added benefit.

I noticed that wikipedia, under phencyclidine, warned that smoking pcp could cause elimination of the amino group, i.e., decomposition into chemical byproducts. From the structure of ketamine I expect it might have more tendency to decompose than PCP because of the adjacent ketone group. The products would be a styrene derivative and methylamine. Methylamine has a strong smell like ammonia and should be easily noticed if it is produced when ketamine is heated. Has anyone noticed that heating ketamine makes a smell like ammonia?