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The Big and Dandy Ketamine Thread (Next iteration)

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Psyduck said:
What are good steps to work up towards a K-hole. I did 40mg and 60mg respectively. Can I skip some steps without being blown away abruptly?

So... what's the best way to spend my remaining 900 mg :)
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When I K-hole people I dose them based on what erowids.orgs dosing says per #. I think for snorting it's 1mg per pound. Once you K hole once or twice you can lower that dose if you haven't built a tolerance because by then you should be able to help meditate yourself into a K hole.
 
KinkyKetter said:
Once you K hole once or twice you can lower that dose if you haven't built a tolerance because by then you should be able to help meditate yourself into a K hole.
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This was something I was thinking to myself about a few hours ago. It's not always clear in reports exactly how much thought individuals put into set and setting on ketamine journeys. I lie down with lights off and listen to music that gradually turns into the only identifier of consciousness/existence as I move towards the k hole . My eyes are closed and I *think* that if I didn't resist, I could probably open my eyes and break the experience (I never have - I am disorientated enough when the effects have long since died down and I do get off my bed, getting up halfway would result in an inability to walk, talk or think correctly).

Additionally - it doesn't require any previous meditation experience or for the user to actively focus on breathing or any specific function. Relaxation and acceptance that they will be 'shown' the path is the best bet IME.


EDIT - has anyone else had a scary experience where the process of synchronising the mind and body took much longer than previous trips? Normally, when I sit upright it's a case of correctly focussing my eyes and adapting to the process of walking (aaarghh - stairs! I don't know how I didn't just fall down the whole flight tonight).
 
Anyone ever tried combining ketamine with 4-AcO-MiPT? I did and I got nearly no effects from the ketamine, at least no mental effects... I got plenty of physical effects. It was very odd. I had last used ketamine about a week before and had a great trip with a little 4-HO-DMT. Just wondering if anyone else has noticed this or if it was simply due to using ketamine too recently?
 
Xorkoth said:
Anyone ever tried combining ketamine with 4-AcO-MiPT? I did and I got nearly no effects from the ketamine, at least no mental effects... I got plenty of physical effects. It was very odd. I had last used ketamine about a week before and had a great trip with a little 4-HO-DMT. Just wondering if anyone else has noticed this or if it was simply due to using ketamine too recently?
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Strange. I may try it but I'm not sure if my 4-AcO-MiPT is good anymore...plus I'm trying to cut back how many different chemicals I take at a time.

Do you happen to know what kind of K it was?
 
How well do people, generally, handle their first K-hole? Is it something to be -a little- worried about or will all go smoothly when one has a clean mindset?
 
I dont kno but take it slow and easy If I waz u or whoever for the first time atleast. Sum of my friends dont like it because of doing to much the first time and they said it was to wieard. But me I will do as much as 100mg. To 150mg of fortdodge and luv ever bit of it.
 
The last time I did 100 mg. Nothing spectacular happened. I wanted to try 150mg now.
 
i dont know if id really want to fall into a k hole just yet.
last time i got k'd up i know i had come real close to slipping into one.
was kind of scary!
 
K-Holes, for me, are not scary AT ALL. A K-Hole is like being wrapped in a warm blanket by your mother if LSD is insanity, ya dig? For me, it induces more positive feelings than Opiates (actually, no, but it's on par). It's nothing to fear, just something you want to ease into. Don't K-Hole your first time with K, you probably won't like it. But if you work your way up, and when you finally decide you wanna K-Hole, take the K in spaced out bumps so the Hole comes on slowly. 50mg every 5-10 minutes will suffice. Continue until you feel well fucked, 150-200mg will be good for a K-Hole.

When you get there, it should welcome you and lead you. Don't even TRY to experience anything when K-Holing for the first time, relax, try to become meditative (very easy on K) and just let the Hole and the music you are listening to carry you. It should feel natural enough if you have been experimenting in lower doses. First timers would be blown away by it, won't know what to do with it and try to fight it. Ever tried to fight an Anesthetic? Lol, it's not fightable, and you will lose, so embrace it and relax and it will be positive.
 
vortex30 said:
K-Holes, for me, are not scary AT ALL. A K-Hole is like being wrapped in a warm blanket by your mother if LSD is insanity, ya dig? For me, it induces more positive feelings than Opiates (actually, no, but it's on par). It's nothing to fear, just something you want to ease into. Don't K-Hole your first time with K, you probably won't like it. But if you work your way up, and when you finally decide you wanna K-Hole, take the K in spaced out bumps so the Hole comes on slowly. 50mg every 5-10 minutes will suffice. Continue until you feel well fucked, 150-200mg will be good for a K-Hole.

When you get there, it should welcome you and lead you. Don't even TRY to experience anything when K-Holing for the first time, relax, try to become meditative (very easy on K) and just let the Hole and the music you are listening to carry you. It should feel natural enough if you have been experimenting in lower doses. First timers would be blown away by it, won't know what to do with it and try to fight it. Ever tried to fight an Anesthetic? Lol, it's not fightable, and you will lose, so embrace it and relax and it will be positive.
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I've had my share of ketamine and I must admit I never tried to fight the K-hole, because I'm too afraid to "loose" my ketamine.
I'm pretty sure if you really did set your mind, you could resist.

Is it only me or experience makes k-holing easier in a way. You need more but it seems like I can k-hole when I want or whatever. Hard to explain. I guess its only experience.
 
KinkyKetter said:
Strange. I may try it but I'm not sure if my 4-AcO-MiPT is good anymore...plus I'm trying to cut back how many different chemicals I take at a time.

Do you happen to know what kind of K it was?
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It was just standard racemic ketamine... if that's what you mean by what kind. Ketamine will either be the r-isomer, the s-isomer, or racemic (both isomers). Brands will not affect the product except if the brand has different ratios of isomers.

I had had a pretty fantastic experience a week or so before with the same batch, along with 8mg of 4-HO-DMT. I was going to use 4-HO-DMT again, except I don't have much and I wanted to conserve for an actual full-on experience with it. So i tried 4-AcO-MiPT, and it was strange because it felt like the K barely touched me mentally... I saw some impressions in my mind of it but it felt so far away and transparent.
 
When working at higher doses (200-250mg) there is no 'great' danger, right? Of course, there is some depression of heart rate and respiration. But isn't Ketamine a relatively safe anesthetic? In the worst case, if I pass out, I will just wake up again some time later, right? Or did people have 'accidents' before on Ketamine?
 
^^ 200-250mg is a perfectly safe dose, although you could end up forgetting the experience. The dose for anesthesia is multiple grams, I believe, and that's IV. It's a very safe compound. Even if my numbers are wrong, the medical dose for anesthesia is definitely much, much higher than any recreational dose would be. As in, many times higher, not just a few hundred milligrams higher.
 
^perhaps it was the dose of K xorky. I bet if you had taken a bit more it would have worked just fine, or if you IM'd it.
On a related note, i will taking my first shot of K this saturday. Very excited for it.
Snorting doesnt really get me where i want to go anymore. I can snort 100-200mg and barely feel it, where as before that would be enough to immobalize me.

i hearts ketamine<3
:)

edit: psyduck, 200-250mg sounds perfect for a k hole.
 
Xorkoth get yourself some IMing gear and conserve your 4-ho and ketamine by using it IM (the gear, easily obtained, pays for itself--not to mention you could finally do DPT, and do it right.) Also, using 4-AcO-DMT IM makes it hit a lot harder, more like 4-ho. If you're out of 4-ho it's a more than capable substitute. Once you mix ketamine and psilocin a few more times I'll let you into my cult.
 
Plugging Ketamine? The thought just occurred to me. I can no longer snort, not this batch at least, and I was also thinking oral but I have 650mg at most and I need about 200-250mg to K-Hole when snorted. Thoughts? Techniques? Suggestions?
 
I think you should probably just take a break. When you get to the point that you can't administer the drug any reasonable way and still have it work, thats definitely a sign you should lay off the stuff for a while.
 
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