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The Big and Dandy Ketamine Thread (Next iteration)

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LTS said:
The tolerance issue on ket is quite significant, as I've noticed tonight. I'm not a regular user and it had been over a month since my previous experience with the drug until Friday night.

On Friday I had a few small lines with friends and on Saturday I took a bit more, taking me to the 'one foot in the hole' stage. Yesterday I had a small line before bed because my mind was racing and I couldn't chill out - but this line was probably only 15mg or so, so practically negligable. Still, tonight, I've ended up pretty much wasting around 100mg ket, which I split into five lines. I've railed 3 of them over the past 90 minutes and at most I felt a little drowsy and clumsy (though admittedly far more engrossed than I normally would be in the film I was watching). That's pretty crazy, given that on Saturday roughly the same amount gave me effects far beyond this.

This is after just three days of mild use.
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well also ketamine tolalrence builds in the setting.meaning that if you atke a few small lines it will be ahrder even with a bg line to get where you would be if you jsut took the big line form teh get go.


with ketamine I dive right in.
 
Last night I tested out preloading with a high dose of vitamin C. For the record, I weigh 73kg.

I took 2 grams of vitamin C four hours prior to dosing, and then 4 grams of vitamin ten minutes prior to dosing ketamine. I took an oral dose of 550mg (I've done a few recent oral doses of 500mg-600mg; I dislike snorting and needles).

Normally it takes me 30-50 minutes to feel the numbing effects, but they were present within 10-15 minutes of dosing. I reached the k-hole 30-45 minutes after dosing, as opposed to the normal 60-100 minutes.

It was very intense, but I spent less time in the khole, maybe only 20-30 minutes. The anagelsic effects lasted much longer than normal, and were present four hours after dosing. I had a very difficult time remembering the experience, and I'm not sure if vitamin C played a role in that, but the vitamin C had a definite affect on the onset and duration of anagelsia, but not necessarily k-hole time.

I've read that high doses of vitamin C can cause sleep disturbances and it certainly did for me because it took me a very long time to get to sleep (I dosed a few hours before trying to go to bed.

I'd be very interested to read other people's experiences with high dose vitamin C + ketamine.
 
Leemo said:
It was very intense, but I spent less time in the khole, maybe only 20-30 minutes. The anagelsic effects lasted much longer than normal, and were present four hours after dosing. I had a very difficult time remembering the experience, and I'm not sure if vitamin C played a role in that, but the vitamin C had a definite affect on the onset and duration of anagelsia, but not necessarily k-hole time.
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That might be the problem - Vitamin C could potentiate the anaesthetic aspect, but not the psychedelic part. Also, if it's even harder to remember, than that's a definite downside. I wonder if there would be any difference via insufflation or IM?

Who's up next for a magnesium trial? I think I have a few tablets knocking around but I'm not sure what dose to try. Wasn't planning an excursion into k-space for a little while though.
 
Okonomi said:
That might be the problem - Vitamin C could potentiate the anaesthetic aspect, but not the psychedelic part. Also, if it's even harder to remember, than that's a definite downside. I wonder if there would be any difference via insufflation or IM?

Who's up next for a magnesium trial? I think I have a few tablets knocking around but I'm not sure what dose to try. Wasn't planning an excursion into k-space for a little while though.
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I will probably try Magnesium sometime this weekend, and if I do, I'll report back. Does anyone have a recommendation for what form of Magnesium to ingest?
 
I'm totally terrified of the K-Hole

I know that probably sounds strange, but I am totally scared of going into the full K-Hole. At doses like 125mg I feel kind of confused and strange. Is this fear legitimate?

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euphoricnod said:
I know that probably sounds strange, but I am totally scared of going into the full K-Hole. At doses like 125mg I feel kind of confused and strange. Is this fear legitimate?

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yeah, k-holes have a way of making it seem like yu found teh deeper "meaning" or "constructs" of experience. or like you have lived that moment befor or are iving the verry same moment oevr and over again.. I dont kow man, weird stuf happends around ketamine. ketamine is like the secrets of itrous revieled.

cool stuff but ultimately, like most disosiatives I think dwelling into it will result is self delusional thoughts.



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Youkai said:
after a day of doing 3-7 grams it takes about 5-6 days till I can still get off like I did when I started the first day. I never have been totaly back to base line with tolerance, when I started IVing my tolerance noticebly went sky high. I sued to be able to completely hole on 50mg IVed and now (well dont know for sure, been like a month sense I touched the stuff) I need 80-100mg. the high is shorter and its more of a rush.


Id also add that the amount of ketamine and routes of administration are not normal for your avarage user. I do suggest that people TRY IVing it, mybe start around 30mg or so and see how they like it. But BE CAREFUL!!!! bamma some of it from yoru self. we (me and my k-tards) got our selves to this point from having grams and grams of ketamine that we never hid from our selves. its like a nitrous, you jst want to keep foing back if its in front of you. saying no is HARD!!!! so yeah, treat ketamine like heroin when IVing. Its good to experience but its horrible to make a habit out of it.
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QFT. needed 60mg IVed, then a coule of un messured IM shots to birng me to my knee's.
 
euphoricnod said:
I know that probably sounds strange, but I am totally scared of going into the full K-Hole. At doses like 125mg I feel kind of confused and strange. Is this fear legitimate?

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Let me reword it for you: You are scared of losing the concept of fear.

Does that sound legitimate to you? :)
 
Youkai said:
cool stuff but ultimately, like most disosiatives I think abusing it compulsively and ridiculously will result is self delusional thoughts.



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There, I fixed it for you. I love you, but please don't give the rest of us a bad name.
 
euphoricnod said:
So like... is it possible to be scared in a K hole?
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Yes, as with anything providing such a strong change of perception. But ketamine tends to be relatively friendly and 'playful', and tends to take you on a bit of a journey as opposed to just throwing you into a diffent world and leaving you there as Salvia can be prone to doing. The most common reason for me having a difficult time in the past is not expecting to enter the K-hole.
 
K is always really neutral for me... I've seen some crazy shit go down and felt very out of place, but it's sedative enough where I won't care. I don't get the anxiety that I tend to get from time to time on other psychs... I actually like doing lines of K if I start getting anxiety while im on LSD, because it will calm me down and make the trip more intense. (not that I'm advocating this, but for me personally it works pretty well)
 
euphoricnod said:
So like... is it possible to be scared in a K hole?
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It depends: if you accept everything you see to be real, then generally it will be quite relaxed. Likewise if you're lucid then you can have a good time in a slightly different way. The only time I've been worried in a K hole is when I've got stuck in a particular trip sequence and felt either impatient or uneasy, and so tried to force myself out of it.

I think with K you have two choices: (1) immerse yourself completely and let it take you on a ride, (2) attempt to lead the way in the trip, remembering that this seemingly lucid trip may suddenly flip on its head, turn inside out and 1/2/4/5-dimensional at any time.

I don't find K very emotional, and so it doesn't lend itself to fear. As long as you accept that K can induce very, very bizarre things all of a sudden, and be happy for the changes to occur, you'll be fine. Enjoy the fact that K holes are completely weird and everything will be sweet.
 
enod: Assuming you're not being sarcastic...

Ketamine is a dissociative anaesthetic. Fear is generated out of pain, or the threat of pain. Since these drugs cut off pain signals (even within the brain), you will not recognize a threat as such. Everything becomes neutralized.

Even at lower doses, Ketamine tends to remove fear for me and also disgust. I was able to dig through someone's vomit-drenched coat to get their cellphone and call for help and, since I was on a lowish dose of K, I had absolutely no repulsion from that.
 
I have felt concerned on ketamine before, thinking I might be about to physically die, but at the same time it was a detached, intellectual concern, not what I would call fear. I find it pretty impossible to feel true fear/terror on ketamine.
 
From my personal experiences K is more confusing than scary. To me scary implies dark thoughts and terror. Confusion is different from frightened/ scared.

I have recently witnessed several high dose IM/IV Ket. trips by a friend and he seems to always say "what the fuck is going on?" looks confused and scared at times, but when he comes out of it he always is content with the trip. The higher the dose and the method of consumption definitely affect the "scariness or confusion" of a K trip.
 
^ It does seem that a lot of people simply "don't get it".

That confusion, when harnessed, can unleash phenomena that can only be described as supernatural (I shit you not).

However, Jansen quotes a figure of 50% chance of people finding Ketamine useful or not. A lot of people tell me that Ketamine simply makes them retarded for a while. I look at them with a blank stare and an open mouth.

I feel really bad for people who struggle with peak Ketamine experiences and find them confusing or "retarded".

I will tell you one thing for sure though, from my experience and others' : unlike psychedelics, Ketamine is a drug that must be "learnt". It took me at least 10 tries to figure out WTF is going on, and at least 10 more to start appreciating it. There are certain "skills" that you can develop to make the Ketamine experience more useful to you.

Once you start learning Ketamine, certain aspects that seemed confusing at first are not only predictable now, but even manipulable. Unlike psychedelics, which can never be predictable even if you're a thousand-times tripper, Ketamine can become very malleable and flexible to be used for healing and understanding.
 
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