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The Big and Dandy Ketamine Thread (Next iteration)

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lol OK

I think its an alternate reality, different from the actual reality. It is a way the world might have been. But then again to make what I am saying coherent you have to buy into some sort of solipsistic perceptual realism...or something :)
 
I'll let you know tomorrow. After my "How 'clean' is DXM as a potentiator of ketamine" question got no love in the DXM thread, I'm taking the question to task myself. 330mg DXM was taken in three roughly equal capsules over 45 minutes about an hour and a half ago (1st time in a long while.) I plan on using 55mg of ketamine in a few hours. Problem is, ketamine alone, esp. at 55mg, is typically not that interesting to me, and so I may end up sullying the experiment with low dose DPT to up the zazz quotient. F&B recommended the combo as good today, and I need to get to sleep at some point, so I'm thinking around 25mg of DPT IM.

During my most psychedelic ketamine-only experience, the "objectivity" aspect manifested itself in my not being able to imagine what the hell motivates me or anybody to give a shit about anything in life--and I mean anything. It was fascinating, but I couldn't really use it to analyze my own life from the outside because, well, I didn't give a shit to do that at the time (yet that was OK, too).
... Yeah, I'll probably stick some DPT in there.
 
the k-hole is nothing more then this reality deconstructed.

everything falls a part and you see the bigger pictures which holds it together.
 
bluedolphin said:
Ketamine reality:::

More real than normal waking consciousness?

Equally real but different (co-existing dimensions?)

Or a figment of imagination and dissociated senses?



discuss amongst yourselves ;)




sometimes i get the feeling that the K world is still going on even when i'm not on it....i'm just not a part of it at the moment.....like that reality is always taking place, but i'm just not in it....if that makes any sense.....hmm i think i just confused myself
 
can someone explain something to me.

Say you take a pharmaceutical vial of ketamine. it's 50mg /ml, with 50ml total in the vial.
When dried it should produce 2.5 grams of K.

When i dried it though it came out to almost 200mg more than it should have been.
Any explanation?
 
Delsyd said:
can someone explain something to me.

Say you take a pharmaceutical vial of ketamine. it's 50mg /ml, with 50ml total in the vial.
When dried it should produce 2.5 grams of K.

When i dried it though it came out to almost 200mg more than it should have been.
Any explanation?
what brand is it? I know some brands yield more then they are advertised, almost always veterinary ketamine.
 
Delsyd said:
im not sure.
its a spanish brand though. or atleast the writing is spanish
crazy backwoods mexican and there inaccurate scales.

see this is what happens when you get a MG scale for 99.99 :p

chances are its one of those generic poorly manufactured vet vials. They can rage on the amount in them +/- 100mg or so.

BTW, why did you dry it out??? please tell me so you can make your shots more concentrated! thats the only excuse I will except!
 
psood0nym said:
I'll let you know tomorrow. After my "How 'clean' is DXM as a potentiator of ketamine" question got no love in the DXM thread, I'm taking the question to task myself.

Follow up? I've been curious regarding this myself. Sorry you got no love in the other thread there... I doubt many people have tried this ...

I imagine a 2nd plateau DXM dose + moderate doses of Ketamine would be absolutely spectacular though. And probably more euphoric than Ketamine alone. And probably more visually twisted than DXM alone!

So how'd it go? :)
 
bluedolphin said:
Follow up? I've been curious regarding this myself. Sorry you got no love in the other thread there... I doubt many people have tried this ...

I imagine a 2nd plateau DXM dose + moderate doses of Ketamine would be absolutely spectacular though. And probably more euphoric than Ketamine alone. And probably more visually twisted than DXM alone!

So how'd it go? :)
It was far more intense than I imagined in would be. I had only done the ketamine and DPT combo once before, and that was socially, so I never got deep into it. Even though I did end up using DPT as well last night, I feel pretty comfortable saying that the DXM was a clean potentiator because of the many similarities with my psilocin/ketamine trips that did not include DXM. It also produced the time contraction and amnesic qualities of a higher dose ketamine trip with the same comparable level of dissociation (50mg felt like around 75mg.) Though, I feel that I actually retained more memory than I would have with a higher ketamine dose alone with the DPT. And so, for me, the DXM is not a “clean” potentiator of ketamine in that at a comparable level of raw dissociation it does not reproduce all of ketamine’s qualities (greater amnesia), but it is actually cleaner than ketamine in that it somewhat filters away the contaminant property of amnesia from the experience. I also estimate that the ketamine was extended in duration by at least 30 percent, to ~1.5 hours.

Though the trip lacked some the more prominent features of my psilocin/ketamine trips (like automatic body movements), I was highly impressed by what the DPT was doing at a mere 25mg. It retained the psilocin/ketamine narrative aspect, where there is a very clear sense of moving through and progressing within an experiential space. The next scene of the story would be foreshadowed 5 to 10 seconds before it happened. In this respect, I would feel anxiety before experiencing a sense of being twisted like a wrung rag, and feel a smile of pleasure stretch across my face just before the trip’s grip on me was relaxed, and in other ways with other sensations.

At times, I sensed my body was splayed open, my viscera plated as texture maps over fluctuating phenomenal fields. When I looked at the corner of my bedroom it seemed to enclose its own distinct emotional atmosphere. Following this, I closed my eyes and saw a representation of my face constructed from the orthogonal angles and shadows of that meeting of wall and ceiling—I felt its “mood,” my own subjective experience of what that corner means to me, extended in space and incorporated into the angular aesthetic of the vision of my face. That night my ego painted the walls, selecting colors from a swatch personalized to my palette.

It was also inspiring. I found the metaphor I was looking for to describe an incredible experience I had had the week before on aMT and DPT under the combo’s tutelage. The memory of the last week’s experience was nearly present before my eyes, though even at two hours I found it very difficult to read what I had written under the guidance of that memory without my line of thought breaking apart mid-sentence. There was a strange discrepancy between being able to feel the flow of the sentences as I wrote them and being able to comprehend what I had just written. The result of that effort is the final sentence of a post I just submitted to the DPT thread, here.
 
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"Mr soft, why won't you tell me why the world you're living in is so strange?
Oh mr soft, how come everything around you is so soft and rearranged?"
 
I've been really liking Ketamine again lately. Its such an 'easy' drug for me. Short acting and fairly forgiving. The only downside I see if that its really easy to keep taking it.

K feels like the perfect meditation enhancer to me. I can just close my eyes and slip away.

Ketamine reality:::

More real than normal waking consciousness?

Equally real but different (co-existing dimensions?)

Or a figment of imagination and dissociated senses?



discuss amongst yourselves

Pretty well every time I do it I hook up my EEG (2 channel on my frontal lobes) on the off chance that some deep profound state occurs I can gain some insight into what is going on. One common theme I have noticed is that on K cross-hemisphere coherence is extremely low (meaning the left and right hemispheres of my brain are acting more independently). Dissociation seems a fitting description. On LSD by contrast, coherence is ridiculously high, meaning the brain is acting much more holistically, and having different parts of the brain acting in concert is likely related to the 'insights'/connection/unity feeling.

Another thing I have noticed with K is a big increase in Delta waves which are only usually prevalent in deep dreamless sleep. During deep states on K my delta waves are second only in amplitude to alpha, so the walking 'beta mind' is very much suppressed and the alpha waves act as a bridge allowing the delta state to be experienced while awake. There are periods when the alpha waves dive and the delta waves crossover being the most predominate state. These crossover periods feel subjectively 'deeper' than the other periods.

I believe a 'k-hole' would very close to deep dreamless sleep, but with a detached wakefulness component due to the presence of alpha waves. Similarly more visionary K experiences would be a strong theta (REM sleep) state with an alpha wave wakefulness component.

A reductionist view could be that the K state could be explained as different levels of 'waking sleep'. There have been more than one occasion where I have got the 'life is a dream and I'm waking up' feeling on K which was both intensely profound and fearful at the same time. LSD seems to be on the different end of the scale. I have much more conscious control over my consciousness and can increase my gamma wave amplitude 3-4x baseline and it feels like I'm entering into a state of hyper awareness where everything in my visual field shifts to a glowing/flowing gold energy and it feels like my frontal lobes are about to pop. This is usually when I get a bit freaked out and distract myself back to 'normal'. The gamma state is of great interest to me because of the recent studies on very long term meditation practitioners and the correlation between years of practice and frontal lobe gamma activity...

Gamma Activity (controls left, practioners right)
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Its been about 8 years since I've had any DXM but my recent experiments with K have me wanting to try it again. I think a good second plateau dose periodically boosted by K would be quite awesome...
 
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e1evene1even said:
One common theme I have noticed is that on K cross-hemisphere coherence is extremely low (meaning the left and right hemispheres of my brain are acting more independently). Dissociation seems a fitting description. On LSD by contrast, coherence is ridiculously high, meaning the brain is acting much more holistically, and having different parts of the brain acting in concert is likely related to the 'insights'/connection/unity feeling.
Thanks for that post e1evene1even. I think this relates to why the tryptamine/ketamine combination provides such a distinct experience. It's both dissociative and holistic--within isolated areas. If I recall correctly, I've recently referred to it as something like "rolling through a field of flowers inside a gerbil ball." In the past I posted this regarding the tendency of the experience to "jump narratives": "For me it was like the neuronal populations--artificially and partially isolated from the k and energized in a flurry of cross and parallel signals from the psilocin--suddenly had their vital juice dumped onto a whole new population or organization that started the epic over again. It was like careening down a hill in a barrel through a weed patch of long and utterly forgotten sensations and memories."

With these combos there's a sense of traveling to the different rooms and coat closets of the mind and setting a box of fireworks ablaze inside them to illuminate their contents. The most obscure memories and sensations have been relived (and tied together in knots) with such a sense of immersion that I find myself momentarily confused when I discover I'm still really in bed. For me, there's a potential for novel experiences during these trips only surpassed by salvia, though the tryptamine/ketamine combos have the practical benefit of consistently relating to sober-life issues and recognizable modes of being.
 
I'm about to come across some powdered K later today and want to I.M. My friend is a diabetic and has insulin needles (1cc 30gauge) the tip appears to be about 1".

Is 1" enough for IM? I was thinking about doing it in my shoulder (got no body fat there).

Is 30g too thin? I think I read somewhere that it might be, others were using 28-29g.

I hear mixed things about music and K, I was thinking of just having some soft ambient stuff playing. Any takes on this?
 
^30 gauge is fine for a pure ketamine solution. 1 inch seems really long for an insulin needle, but you'll definitely reach muscle with anything close to that length--shit, maybe bone. On ketamine alone, music can sound tinny, like you're listening to it through a pair of soda can earmuffs. Some like the distortion, some don't. Just set it up so you can shut it off if need be.
 
I've never tried K without some really chill music in the background......i'm kind of curious to try it now without music. I'm very used to the music help guide the trip along. Anyone have any thoughts on how trips vary with and without music.....anyone have strong thoughts against music while on K? I would imagine it would be very different
 
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