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The Big and Dandy Ketamine Thread (Archived start - 11-20-07)

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I'll keep this here for a bit and then merge it with the Ketamine thread once it gathers some information. Unfortunately, I've got none for you. It seems, though, that ketamine which is stored properly (in a cool, dry, dark place) has no practical point at which it degrades. As powder, it's extremely stable as well.
 
If you simply evaporated the water out in a low temp oven potency loss should be negligible. I've seen an ampoule with an Mfg of 06/2006 and an expiration date of 06/2011. So, when refrigerated in solution, the manufactures will vouch for its potency for 5 years. It's likely that it will remain quite strong for far longer than 5 years even in solution, and probably well past 10 years as a properly stored dry powder (dark dry cold). Some brands like Ketalar contain preservatives that will make them last even longer. If you're worried about bacteria infection heat it gently or dissolve in IPA and evap. It doesn't degrade into anything dangerous either.
 
fastandbulbous said:
Yes I know what you mean, you mean you are a sick, sick man Jamshyd! =D

That smell is actually ozone and something tells me that one should be cautious of anything that smells like ozone/high voltage electrical discharge.

I've got a half built/cobbled together Tesla coil and whenever I#ve tested it, it makes me very nervous and the lingering smell associated with that fear is ozone - I personally think that it's rather negligent not to be scared of fuck off sized electrical discharges (3cm - 90kV... scary enough for me!)
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That's odd, mine smells sort of scorched. I think my dealer dries it out quickly or at higher temperatures then, but it doesn't seem to affect the potency because I always used to do the 1mg/lb amount and it'd K-hole me.
 
Just tested my latest batch for smell, but I smell absolutely nothing (without actually snorting it of course).
Perhaps it's a source issue? I'm assuming most euro K has never seen the inside of a vial.
 
I would expect there would be cross tolerance so mixing it with DXM would likely make the tolerance worse in the long run. Who knows it could be interesting to try. Maybe similar to taking DMT on top of a longer lasting psychedelic. Get the base high off of DXM and then use a bit of ketamine to blast off for a bit.

I've heard a couple people mention that S-Ket is very much like a more lucid 20 minute DXM trip, so if thats your thing, DXM powder is MUCH cheaper. You could be high for a good portion of the day on around $1 worth of DXM, but that could be quite costly with ketamine. Its been years since I've had DXM (the Olney's lesion scare threw me off), but I did enjoy it quite a bit. Its also very convenient (and highly suspicious) that many large chain convenience stores in my area carry Robutussin pills with DXM as the only active ingredient. :\
 
A neurochemist suggested that 1 or two beers 1-2 hours before taking K will potentiate it (or actually inhibit the liver function a little, with similar results).
Tried it and I did notice a slightly intenser onset, but I felt "unclean" until the alcohol wore off.
Not recommended and I won't repeat it. YMMV of course.
 
Ketamine on a Tryptamine Come Up

I'm planning a shroom/ket trip for tonight and need some thoughts on the timing of the Ket. Im gonna do some large trip lines during the peak of the Trip, but im also considering a little during the come up.
What do you guys think about doing a little K on the come up to try 'smooth things out'? I remember small lines of Ketamine on an Acid come made the whole nervous jitters of a rising acid trip, somewhat easier to handle. It adds a nice mash level to the chemical mental acid edge.

I'm alot more experienced with acid though, any comments on K/shrooms in general are welcome!
 
I've suspected that small amounts of K during the come up could 'smooth things' significantly due to the anti-depressant effect and also because of the relationship between glutamate, the NMDA receptor and stress. I haven't really tested this yet myself, but I think Samadhi_Smiles has, maybe he can chime in.
 
Last night I was able to experientially validate my feelings on K + alcohol. I was feeling pretty good and decided to take ~40mg. Surprisingly the K didn't seem to add a distinct character of its own but instead blended seamlessly with the alcohol and pot. I finally understood how people could use K in a 'social/club/ situation, although its not really my thing.

Then of course I thought well if 40mg feels great, then another 40mg will feel better. 8) After that it was just way too much and I was totally floored. It was a bit similar to what happens when I smoke weed when drunk, I get intensely disoriented and I'll I want to do is lay down immediately, but more intense than with pot. I was feeling pretty sick and proceeded to projectile vomit hemp seeds (into the bathtub luckily). :o

While not glamorous by any means, it was actually very psychedelic. I kept thinking that there can be some pretty intense and psychedelic moments praying to the porcelain. I was thinking that if roles were reversed and psychedelics/pot were legal and socially sanctioned and alcohol was outlawed, people would seek that experience and possibly treat it in higher regard.

Another important 'insight' I had, was that by totally abstaining from alcohol, probably about 90% of potentially problematic and dangerous drug interactions could be avoided. Its just not worth it, in my opinion. I'll refrain from making any grand resolutions that I will totally give up alcohol, but I'll admit it sounds like a good idea. :D
 
re: ketamine and alcohol.

a camel pack of cheap wine and bumps of ketamine around a well lit night in the city is quite fun. But there is a fine line between bumps which produce a "head in the clouds" and small lines which produce the start of rather intence "k-holes"

another thing, like DMT K seems to over power most drugs it is combined with.
 
Haha, glad to see that I'm not the only one who is sick enough to think that K smells like Aether ;)

ps. A new pasttime of mine is taking a medium dose of K for long train commutes in Tokyo, especially at night. No one notices because they're all nodding the fuck out due to overworking. VERY weird experiences... in fact I might put together a trip report for it!
 
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..................I remember small lines of Ketamine on an Acid come made the whole nervous jitters of a rising acid trip, somewhat easier to handle. It adds a nice mash level to the chemical mental acid edge......
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I've always found that K on it's own is psychologically quite cold (not near as cold as Salvia though). I always find shrooms and Acid, whilst not cold, fairly "cerebral". When I've mixed K and LSD, I've found that the trip does indeed take on a more detached attitude, which kind of spoils the intimate side of things. It does however provide a strange mystical perception of connectedness for me. This is not what you were asking though, just my tuppenceworth. K does certainly smooth out the edginess of tripping, but at a cost as far as I'm concerned. If you then add a little snort of MDMA of course, then ..............:) :) :) :) :)
 
Combining ketamine with 4-HO-DMT (the active component in mushrooms) makes the come-up tremendously smooth, you transition into the trip with a very positive vibe and a good relaxed physical and psychological state of being. I tried it after E1's thoughts on it, and he is pretty much right on about the anti-depressant properties of ketamine. I timed it like this: insufflate ketamine (around 35mg iirc) and then about 20 mins later, lick the 4-HO-DMT powder and lay down and zone out listening to music. I think I actually fell asleep I was so relaxed, then I woke up tripping very hard on the psilocin.

I think you will really enjoy the combo - have fun! :)
 
jamshyd, I would love to read something you write about that - it would be interesting if you could add a bit of a fantasy edge to it perhaps, a bit of surrealism -

ps have you read Murakami ever (so much fun!)
 
I went to a concert last night and after my experience the night before I really didn't feel like alcohol, nor did I feel like tripping. I brought a pot cookie and also stuck around 25mg of ketamine into a couple of capsules.

Anyway, between the opening band and the main band, I bumped one of the capsules and surprisingly, combined with the pot cookie it resulted in one of the best nights I can remember. There's something about ketamine and live music, I can't explain it, but its quite special.

I'll try it again a couple weeks and see how it works a second time. Also it was already great not to feel like shit from alcohol, although my nose could feel better. :\
 
Xorkoth said:
Merged in this question... it got moved back to the previous page so here's it is again.
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When Iv combined K and shrooms I always did way to much K and realy didnt get much from the shrooms. I would say put out maybe three lines of 25mgs and hide the rest from yoru self.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
jamshyd, I would love to read something you write about that - it would be interesting if you could add a bit of a fantasy edge to it perhaps, a bit of surrealism -

ps have you read Murakami ever (so much fun!)
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No I haven't, but now that you point it out, I shall :)

As for the report, that is exactly what I'm doing :). I suppose I'm waiting untill my next run (next weekend, I imagine) so that I can polish it under the influence.

Ptah: No, the thing is that it isn't uncommon for the japs to work 16 hours a day, so they are so exhausted all the time and will fall asleep readily on the trains. I have personally seen people nodding and almost falling while standing up!

Drugs are VERY illegal here, but drunk people (who readily urinate on the train) are fairly common, I suppose.
 
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