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Reading PIHKAL right now, and it gets mentioned that taking a mescaline dose slowly (drinking the tea over, say, 30 minutes for this example) drastically reduces the nausea.
The Big and Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread (Archive 3-19-07 - 4-12-08)
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I totally agree, and I should have mentioned this. Suck your cactus slime in stages, interspersed with shots of orange juice. Your stomach will thank you!
The gradual dosing of psychedelics is generally a Good Thing. It eases the come-up, and greatly reduces the chances of vomming up your own ringpiece. %)
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I've found that san pedro tea doesn't taste that bad.
First of all if you make it with just the green outer flesh of the cacti, instead of the entire plant it tastes better IMO. When I made tea using the entire cacti I was left with much more tea that tasted worse than if I had just used the green flesh.
Once you've got your brew reduced to a drinkable ammount (
z depending on many variables)
Take some sour candy (or lemon, lime, grapefruit juice works too...anything really tart/sour) and tip back the glass and drink as much as you can. Immediately chase the cacti tea with something sour/tart. Wait about 15-20 minutes try again.
It takes a long time to come up, so be patient. It'll take about 1 1/2 to 2 hours to be really feeling it, so that means you have like 2 hours to finish your glass. And smoking weed totally helps with the stomach aches and IME got me WAYYYYYY higher.
I think people make san pedro out like it's the nastiest thing in the world to drink. I've probably made and drank quite a few gallons of the stuff over the past year and the two things that are truly nasty are the sliminess and the bitterness. But once you get it down and hold it down your in for a treat.
First of all if you make it with just the green outer flesh of the cacti, instead of the entire plant it tastes better IMO. When I made tea using the entire cacti I was left with much more tea that tasted worse than if I had just used the green flesh.
Once you've got your brew reduced to a drinkable ammount (
z depending on many variables)Take some sour candy (or lemon, lime, grapefruit juice works too...anything really tart/sour) and tip back the glass and drink as much as you can. Immediately chase the cacti tea with something sour/tart. Wait about 15-20 minutes try again.
It takes a long time to come up, so be patient. It'll take about 1 1/2 to 2 hours to be really feeling it, so that means you have like 2 hours to finish your glass. And smoking weed totally helps with the stomach aches and IME got me WAYYYYYY higher.
I think people make san pedro out like it's the nastiest thing in the world to drink. I've probably made and drank quite a few gallons of the stuff over the past year and the two things that are truly nasty are the sliminess and the bitterness. But once you get it down and hold it down your in for a treat.
FreedomOfTheMind
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dankstersauce said:I've found that san pedro tea doesn't taste that bad.
First of all if you make it with just the green outer flesh of the cacti, instead of the entire plant it tastes better IMO. When I made tea using the entire cacti I was left with much more tea that tasted worse than if I had just used the green flesh.
Once you've got your brew reduced to a drinkable ammount (
Take some sour candy (or lemon, lime, grapefruit juice works too...anything really tart/sour) and tip back the glass and drink as much as you can. Immediately chase the cacti tea with something sour/tart. Wait about 15-20 minutes try again.
It takes a long time to come up, so be patient. It'll take about 1 1/2 to 2 hours to be really feeling it, so that means you have like 2 hours to finish your glass. And smoking weed totally helps with the stomach aches and IME got me WAYYYYYY higher.
I think people make san pedro out like it's the nastiest thing in the world to drink. I've probably made and drank quite a few gallons of the stuff over the past year and the two things that are truly nasty are the sliminess and the bitterness. But once you get it down and hold it down your in for a treat.
What is your method for consuming? I plan to order some soon and want to know the best methood? Should I just eat the cactus (the psychoactive part), make an extraction, etc?
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hangover from mescaline (peruvian torch)
This has been sitting on my mind for a while. The last time I tripped on mescaline I took 15g of powdered peruvian torch. The bodyload was very intense and I struggled with severe nausea for over half the trip. During the comedown my muscles felt terrible and I felt all around physically ill. Mentally I felt ok.
The next day I didn't feel right. I felt like my mind was at a flatline. It felt the same as the day after MDMA, only worse. I didn't feel right the second day afterwards either.
By the third day I felt fine, and after a week I am back to normal. Psychologically the trip was very smooth and euphoric so I am really surprised at the hangover I experienced. After taking mushrooms I find myself energized and recharged, but after taking mescaline I felt drained.
I am wondering if anyone else has experienced this? I would also like to know if anyone has any ideas about why this would have occurred.
My theories are
1) the cactus was at least 2 years so perhaps it went bad
2) the cactus itself made me feel sick (not the mescaline)
3) Both MDMA and mescaline are PEAs, so maybe mescaline caused a drop in my serotonin levels for a few days
Thanks in advance!
This has been sitting on my mind for a while. The last time I tripped on mescaline I took 15g of powdered peruvian torch. The bodyload was very intense and I struggled with severe nausea for over half the trip. During the comedown my muscles felt terrible and I felt all around physically ill. Mentally I felt ok.
The next day I didn't feel right. I felt like my mind was at a flatline. It felt the same as the day after MDMA, only worse. I didn't feel right the second day afterwards either.
By the third day I felt fine, and after a week I am back to normal. Psychologically the trip was very smooth and euphoric so I am really surprised at the hangover I experienced. After taking mushrooms I find myself energized and recharged, but after taking mescaline I felt drained.
I am wondering if anyone else has experienced this? I would also like to know if anyone has any ideas about why this would have occurred.
My theories are
1) the cactus was at least 2 years so perhaps it went bad
2) the cactus itself made me feel sick (not the mescaline)
3) Both MDMA and mescaline are PEAs, so maybe mescaline caused a drop in my serotonin levels for a few days
Thanks in advance!
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Quick Peyote Questions
i don't hear peyote mentioned too often on here, so i figured this is a worthwhile thread (and a friend of mine just obtained a handful of buttons
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first off, does anyone know if the alkaloid content is increased/decreased through the drying process?? or is a fresh button as potent as a dried one?? i know that the drying process increases potency for san pedros, as well as the neglect of water before harvest...but i'm not sure if this goes for peyote as well.
and also....i've read that if you cut off the crown of the peyote another head will grow off of the potted root. about this, i'm wondering how long a moderately-mature peyote would have to be potted for before it is rooted enough to regrow another head. my friend just got his and have potted them, so he's curious as to if he should allow them to get 'settled in' to the pots for a while before considering harvesting.
thanks for any info on this elusive and sacred cactus
i don't hear peyote mentioned too often on here, so i figured this is a worthwhile thread (and a friend of mine just obtained a handful of buttons
)......first off, does anyone know if the alkaloid content is increased/decreased through the drying process?? or is a fresh button as potent as a dried one?? i know that the drying process increases potency for san pedros, as well as the neglect of water before harvest...but i'm not sure if this goes for peyote as well.
and also....i've read that if you cut off the crown of the peyote another head will grow off of the potted root. about this, i'm wondering how long a moderately-mature peyote would have to be potted for before it is rooted enough to regrow another head. my friend just got his and have potted them, so he's curious as to if he should allow them to get 'settled in' to the pots for a while before considering harvesting.
thanks for any info on this elusive and sacred cactus
FreedomOfTheMind
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What is the most potent cactus species? I know peruv torch has more mescal than san pedro but are there any others that I should consider?
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hopefully...though there doens't seem to be many experienced cactus apprentices on this site, surely a handful, but no amount near the students of other teachers (ie shrooms etc)
i mean i've built my share of san pedro/peruvian torch knowledge and understanding, but peyote just came my way for the first time. %) i've gotta add a peyote database into my brain...quick
i mean i've built my share of san pedro/peruvian torch knowledge and understanding, but peyote just came my way for the first time. %) i've gotta add a peyote database into my brain...quick
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^ freedomofthemind
per weight, peyote is by far the most potent. however peyote is also much less attainable, more expensive, and takes much longer to cultivate.
peruvian being more potent than san pedro is mostly misconception. there have been alkaloid assesments which showed those results, but there have been plenty of analysises which showed the opposite. generally they can be expected to be similar in potency.
the potency of any cactus is based on the genetic capabilites of the particular specimen and the environment and conditions it was exposed it during growth/harvesting.
also, i've never partaken of this one, but T. bridgesii (sp?) is comparable in potency to the pedro and torch i believe.
per weight, peyote is by far the most potent. however peyote is also much less attainable, more expensive, and takes much longer to cultivate.
peruvian being more potent than san pedro is mostly misconception. there have been alkaloid assesments which showed those results, but there have been plenty of analysises which showed the opposite. generally they can be expected to be similar in potency.
the potency of any cactus is based on the genetic capabilites of the particular specimen and the environment and conditions it was exposed it during growth/harvesting.
also, i've never partaken of this one, but T. bridgesii (sp?) is comparable in potency to the pedro and torch i believe.
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consuming all of the cactus is recommended definitely, especially since the fibers/antioxidants/proteins etc are good for you %)
i would suggest mixing it with water though, and chasing if you have to...every person i've seen mix the cactus with something other than water failed to down it. it is quite thick and quite bitter...but as the natives say, embrace the flavor and be one with it do not deny that which is there.
and before someone suggests that you extract the psychedelic chemicals to spare from the taste and/or nausea, i'll get the thought in the air that 'mescaline is a powerful psychedelic, but the cactus is the teacher'....and from my experience there's a world of difference in a 'mescaline experience' and a 'cactus lesson'
approach w/respect and
learn much
i would suggest mixing it with water though, and chasing if you have to...every person i've seen mix the cactus with something other than water failed to down it. it is quite thick and quite bitter...but as the natives say, embrace the flavor and be one with it do not deny that which is there.
and before someone suggests that you extract the psychedelic chemicals to spare from the taste and/or nausea, i'll get the thought in the air that 'mescaline is a powerful psychedelic, but the cactus is the teacher'....and from my experience there's a world of difference in a 'mescaline experience' and a 'cactus lesson'
approach w/respect and
learn much
Obyron
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xanthine said:
When I was in college I got the nickname "Iron Man" because I could chug straight vodka and then chase it with tequila. My intestinal fortitude is the stuff of legend. From everything I've heard about eating cactus or trying to mix the powder with stuff, if you can keep this down without getting nauseous I'll hand over the crown to you!
The cactus may be a teacher, but the mescaline is its textbook. I fully plan on extracting to a tea when I try San Pedro. (Probably after I get my tax check. The thought of the government giving me my money back so I can do drugs really amuses me. I know, I'm easily amused.)
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no, the mescaline is its blood
there are things to be learned with or withour the cactus material, but to be able to ask questions you need to flesh too
there are things to be learned with or withour the cactus material, but to be able to ask questions you need to flesh too
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i don't really get sick on whole-cacuts ever, though most do. the most i've felt was a 'tenseness' or slight uneasiness feeling during the come-up, but never more excrutiating than that.
i eat a pretty particular vegan diet though, so this may be why i don't get nauseous.
i eat a pretty particular vegan diet though, so this may be why i don't get nauseous.
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There may be other active goodies in cactus that also have an effect on the trip, but making a tea is going to get most of them in the same way it gets the mescaline. I've just never been that superstitious about drugs, and I'm not going to start with cactus. There is nothing that cactus can teach me. -I- am the teacher, and psychedelics open different parts of my mind so that I can relearn what I already know, but have forgotten. My most life-changing trips have been on mushrooms and LSD. I do not assume that the actual mushrooms are a teacher any more than I assume that blotter paper or gelatin is a teacher.
It's up to the person who originally posted the question. If you don't have a very strong stomach, I would recommend making a tea. If you get religious about your psychedelics and assume that eating a lot of nasty cactus fruit will improve the experience, then go for it.
It's up to the person who originally posted the question. If you don't have a very strong stomach, I would recommend making a tea. If you get religious about your psychedelics and assume that eating a lot of nasty cactus fruit will improve the experience, then go for it.
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