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The Big and Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread (Archive 3-19-07 - 4-12-08)

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My bad, RedEarth did not post the alcohol recipe, he mentions the tea only.

Omacatl did.

sorry guys, these 13 page threads sometimes throw me off.
 
T. Peruvian and Concerts...

I've been in the mood lately for a psychedelic experience and the more i've come to read about Peruvian, the more it seems like something i'd be interested in, at least right now. There's a headshop not far from where i live that i know sells it.

Now, i was thinking of dosing tomorrow at about 1-2 in the afternoon using a tea-method. Tomorrow night, however, i have a concert to attend at 9. Knowing i've never tried any cactus-based psychedelic, but i've tried acid and a weak dose of mushrooms, will I be in a good enough headspace 7-8 hours after dosing to see a concert? or should i put it off for another day?

any advice??

thanks!
 
^Merged in your question....

You will still be tripping somewhat, depending on how strong your brew is will depend on how strong the effects are later on. If its your first time I'd suggest have a clear schedule, and waiting for another day- unless you want to be tripping at the concert.
 
The tea might make you nauseous, I would try it out first in case you puke at the concert.

The highly purified stuff IMHO is not even the same stuff as dirty sanchez = (dark brown, has GAK impurities). Mescaline is supposed to be white to translucent, not brown. The highly pure stuff at only 200mg had my girlfriend and I laughing uncontrollably for several hours, we've never gotten that strong an effect from brown sanchez. Talk about a really fun trip. It was identical in strength to *good* low dose acid at 1 hit. One of the best low dose trips we've had. Me! had theorized that it's the compactness of the ultra pure cystal matrix that accounts for its potency, he was told this by the "mescaline" during a trip he had once. Recrystallize your brown sanchez in a beaker of boiling MEK in a fumehood, then to room temp, then to fridge, then to freezer, recover ultra-pure crystals. If you don't know chemistry lab procedures, making pure clean Mescaline will certainly teach you how! The light tan stuff resulting from a simple acetone cleaning on the brown sanchez is very good too. There is way less nausea and stomach ickyness at higher doses with the light tan to pure white/translucent crystal than the brown IMHO , in fact there is none for me with pure stuff when taken in divided doses over a 1.5 hour period. Others do just fine with brown sanchez, depends on your individual sensitivity. Only one way to find out, try it yourself. If you don't like it, just clean it up by re-crystallizing it, problem solved.
 
How many ppl here do you think have a fume hood and access to MEK!? Does it dissolve in MEK? (And is it the sulphate or HCL?)
Acetone should work just as well and can be got from pharmacies here. If its the HCl salt you should be able to wash it by boiling in acetone and filtering, or dissolve it in boiling ethanol/isopropanol and add acetone to crystallise it. (isopropanol can also be bought here from electronics shops)
 
What would be the advantages/disadvantages to eating it through gelcaps rather than the tea (apart from the taste, which i can assume is a big factor)?
 
Yeah taste i think, disadvantages spending ages stuffing gel caps. If you have powder i hear an effective method is to wet it enough to make a paste that you can roll into balls and swallow with a swig of something. Sounds easy and is apparently almost tasteless.
 
^yeah, and you still have to count in the fact that every 2-3 caps or so your swallowing a gulp of whatever drink which in turn could still trigger the nausea if your trying to avoid that.. a good bet would be the one Xorkoth mention's in his trip report of grounding it all up and filling up a shot glass 50/50 or whatever amount with a liquid and just downing it.. that way you get your full dose with the least amount of liquid as possible
 
i have a fairly strong stomach, and i haven't eaten much in the past few days, so nausea isn't too big of a concern anymore.

Anyways, i just finished (over the last ~1 hour) 25 dry grams of Peruvian (ground up in gelcaps). Assuming (and this is a big assumption) they are of "normal" potency, how long should i expect to wait before start/peak/etc?

thanks
 
the first two hours for me was a bit of adjusting time, layed down on the couch and let my stomach settle in, had odd feeling of not being able to adjust to the temperture inside my house.. too cold so i wrapped myself in a blanket, then i got too hot.. so i just went outside and discovered how great it made me feel.. took my dog on a walk and had a good amount of euphoric energy after that 1.5-2hr begining which lasted well into dusk hours (+8-9hrs later). i soon lost interest in doing physical activities but still had that great warm feeling swarming my body, layed down and smoked a bowl.. was able to sleep perfectly well around the 13-14th hour
 
well, i gotta just say thanks for all the info guys...yesterday was fairly mind-blowing, way moreso than i thought i could ever get from something i bought at a headshop.

the nausea did get the best of my thought, despite my best wishes to keep everything down...but wow.
 
Trichocereus resin extract

Greetings, folks. For the past two years I've had a kilogram of Trichocereus peruvianus powder sitting in a liter or two of methanol. Shook it a bunch the first extraction, not so much for the second. Either way, I finally filtered out the methanol last night and dumped it into a pyrex dish. The dish was then placed on a hot plate for a few hours, and the last of the evaporation was done on top of the heater. I woke up this morning to about 66 grams of resinous gunk. Woulda loved to save the methanol, but I have no condenser and I'm too busy to build one at the moment.

Anyway, I wanted to know if you guys had experience with straight resin. I know potency can vary a lot, but if you've done a methanol extract like this, what doses have you used? I just consumed a little less than two grams, thinking, if I were just eating powder, I would have gone for maybe 40 grams, and if this cooked down to 100 grams of resin from 1 kilogram we'd assume if extraction were perfect (which of course it isn't) I'd want a 4 gram dose. So I'm playing the safe side, and I'll keep you posted.

-Greg
 
sounds interesting. right now i'm sitting on a couple grams of san pedro tea that I evaporated into resin.

To add to your question I was wondering what would happen if i were to take the dry resin gunk and wash it with acetone.
From what I've read about A/b extractions mescaline isn't soluble in acetone, So I'm wondering if an acetone wash would remove some of the leftover chlorophyll and plant material?

If washing it in acetone removed some of the garbage it'd be a huge step for making trichocereus extractions way easier. In a perfect world all you'd have to do is make tea (very easy), evaporate, scrape and wash with acetone and filter and evaporate again. IMO much easier than doing a full A/B extraction.

anyone ever give it a try?
 
Feeling threshold effects at T+ 2:40, just dosed an additional 2 g of extract. We'll see where this goes! I know it's different than eating 4 g all at once, but hey, who knows?
 
Dankster, i think it depends on which salt you have, the HCl salt should be insoluble in acetone but salts with organic acids (citrate, oxalate, tartrate etc.) i suspect may be soluble.

Monkey mantra, i think mescaline lasts long enough that a booster at almost 3 h should still be effective. Hope it goes well!
 
Report: Effects were minimal at best. I felt relaxed all day, felt the come-up stomach weirdness, but nothing really extreme. Slight mood boost. That's it.

Next time I'm gonna try more like 8-10 grams. Again, does anyone here have any experience with crude extracts?
 
Wierd, if you got 66 g out of 1000, assuming you got everything out, 4 g would equal 60 g before extraction. U should have been off it, how much methanol did u use?
 
i believe when i did the tar extract the yield went from 40g. of cactus to 7g. tar....

but i've always noted with tar and pure extracts that the requried dosage is much higher to experience similar intensity to the whole cactus. the cactus i get 30-40g is very intense, but with a tar extract (pulling until the everclear comes out near-clear) a comparable intensity would require around 60g of extraction material (ie ~10g tar)
 
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