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The Big and Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread (Archive 3-19-07 - 4-12-08)

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^Thanks heaps my man, I am preparing several (stupidly) large specimens of San Pedro today which I normally waste by making gunk and throwing up. This shall work a treat- out of curiousity, what should the end product, after evap. look like? I would rather work with the entier alkaloid range for now before attemtping further purification...
 
after the everclear evaps you're left with a black tar which is stuck to the pan.

i usually sprinkle soy flower and rub it into the tar, flakes of flour covered tar will come off relatively easily. but it can take a while depending on the amount...

i've heard of people using a razor blade, but from my experience it was too thick to do that
 
thoughtsUnThought said:
after the everclear evaps you're left with a black tar which is stuck to the pan.

i usually sprinkle soy flower and rub it into the tar, flakes of flour covered tar will come off relatively easily. but it can take a while depending on the amount...

i've heard of people using a razor blade, but from my experience it was too thick to do that

Would it be possible to lay down wax paper into the pan first? Then let the liquid evap from the wax paper. It would make it easier to break up and collect the tar.
 
seems like a legitimate possibility...i've never tried it though

unless the tar would get ultra-stuck to the wax paper to the point of not being able to come off whatsoever. in which case you'd have to consume the wax paper to meet the teacher :)

if you're going to try it, id suggest soaking the wax paper in a small amount of the alcohol, then evaporating to make sure there are no ethanol soluble constituents in the wax paper.

not a bad idea though
 
What about drying it on a non-stick frypan?

This is a side note, but when alchohol evaporates, what is the byproduct in terms of gases/vapours? Vapourised alchohol I'd presume....
 
Add a worm and make the good old silly "mezcal contains mescaline and will get you high" myth true. =D
 
^Lol, brilliant. Whilst I'm at it I might spew some hydrochloric acid from my gut at someones face to prove acid does put holes in your brain.

Anyway, on a serious note how long, under normal conditions (well, its about 32degrees celsius in melbourne, asutralia today) does the alchhol take to evaporate?Not much appears to be happening :(
 
Stir occasionally. If a layer forms on top of the alcohol evaporation might slow or even stop.
 
Alcohol evaporates pretty quicky... not as quickly as something like acetone, but much faster than water. Try blowing a fan across it if possible, also.
 
hey all, just a question for everybody in the know.

I have been an avid drug user for half a decade now, experimenting always, and enjoying some more than others.

Nows my go with mescaline, my source is giving me "un-refined" mescaline and tells me to take 30g doses.

is this right?
 
^I have no idea what unrefined could be, except a simple cactus extract, similar to the ones discussed on this page. At any rate, its impossible to tell you if the dose is 'right' or not, because I have noidea what the mescaline was extracted from ie. what weight worth of cactus. Either way, a dose of mescaline extract (and please smeone correct me if I'm wrong) wouldn't/shouldn't amount to 30grams, but quite a lot less.

Personally if I was you, I would order a few San Pedro cactus', and extract the alkaloids yourself; this deal sounds kind of shonky. Maybe ask the soure (before doing anything else) where he extracted/obtained the mescaline from, and if you can find that out, I think more help could be offered.

Anyways, welcome to Bluelight buddy- take care with this, something sounds awry 'bout it. A dose of pure mescaline would be on average 300-500mg; so whatever you might be purchasing sure has a lot of extras...

Peace :)
 
I wonder, if someone used the alcohol extraction method and then added one
or two drops of sulfuric acid into the solution and stuck it into a
refrigerator/freezer, whether or not the crystals would precipitate out.
That would be a really easy method, requiring no heat and only one solvent.
 
In answer to "what does it look like in the end?":

Well, if you use 95% drinkable alcohol (everclear) and evaporate your cactus extract down, you will have a sticky looking black tar, due to the 5% water.

If you use 99% nondrinkable alcohol (isopropyl) and evaporate your cactus extract down, you will end up with a powder which can be scraped and chopped up.

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If you aren't going to purify it via a full chemical extraction, then just do it the Traditional way... boil it down for hours in water and drink it the way they have been doing for thousands of years in Peru. It will make you puke and it tastes horrible, but its fool proof and time honored. It works. Red Earth reported good effects with the tea. I've had low doses of the tea and it really was a great experience!

i have also ground up the dried cactus flesh and encapsulated it but this requires swallowing 20 or even 50 capsules. it still makes you puke, though.

Tar seems to make most people radically sick... frighteningly badly sick. I would avoid its use. If you do try it, I would start with a very small dose to see how your body reacts.

If you are going to dry down to a tar or powder, beware. there are no rave reviews of this method and there are some stories of woe. Omacatl here reported good effects though on the alcohol extract evaporated down to a tar on page 11.

Boxedhearts:
This is not good. About 30 minutes after I ate the tar gelcaps, I got violently nauseated. I threw up, but only the water I drank with the caps came out. After about an hour, I started to get cold, and was profusely sweating. My body was tingling, like when your leg falls asleep, but all over my entire body. I thought maybe I was dying. sad.gif I kept trying to throw up, but nothing would come out. I started to get real scared, but kept it together. My clothes were drenched with sweat by this time and I was cold, so I went to take a shower, and that when I noticed that I have hives or a rash of some sort over most of my body....and it itches like CRAZY! I get out of the shower and I feel exhausted, lay in bed. My heart is beating TOO FAST and I think the reaper is coming for me again. I get up and dry heave every now and again. I must have fell asleep for a while, and as soon as I wake up, I have to puke again...I almost didnt make it to the bathroom...and out came everything! Thank god. The rash seems to be slowly fading and I'm not itching like a freak anymore....and no, I'm not tripping, but Im glad because after all that I want to go to bed.

Drinking gatorade now to rehydrate and counting my blessings.
Lycaeum message board:
In the dream, I let the 'tea' evaporate down to a highly concentrated 'goo'.
The concentration was arrives at by boiling in the traditional way. The heat
was lowered and fan forced air was sent over the top of a wok. The original
quantity was reduced to a very small area.
The original numbers concerning oz's, doses, etc. were remembered (8 doses
to the total biomass, etc.) and then the tar was fractioned up in a like way.
This tar ball was then swallowed. The dream then continued in a *very*
undesirable way. Desirable realms were never reached, but rather the
sensation of being poisened and very sick.
My impression of it at the time was that there was not enough bulk to allow
the body to filter the desirables from the undesirables. Rather the whole
concentrate made it's way into my system. In the dream I didn't feel right
for what felt like two days.
This unpleasent sensation was unique for me with this method and I have no
desire to revisit it.
What do you mean when you say as to burn the residue?
Anyone can do an A/B extraction. no need to get a degree in chemistry. its no harder than making cookies. It's easy to do and no nausea at 400 mg and less doses so far for me. I can't take the tar or tea, it makes me really nauseated and sick. I can't stand feeling nausea or getting sick anymore, so I stick with the pure mescaline. I've always liked acid because it doesn't make me sick or nauseated, and good clean purified mescaline will act the same way to a large extent.

Seriously.. if you can get the chemicals and a place to work... its not hard to do the a/b. If you gas your mescaline containing freebase, you will be able to capture the entire alkaloid complex of the cactus, and not just the mescaline, let it fall to the bottom of a sep funnel, and simply drain all the alkaloids off into a puddle, clean it and re-crystallize it.

Please report back if you try the alcohol tincture or tar extract, curious to see how it turns out.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanic...428-crystal-clear-mescaline-hcl-easy-pie.html
 
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willow11 said:
What about drying it on a non-stick frypan?

Note to self- ask Miss Willow is said frypan can be used for such a purpose, rather risk the harm of incurring the wrath of a hotblooded frypanl-ess maniacal she-warrior. :p :)
 
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