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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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25mg of freebase, very easily handled. Went up some fields, got quality visuals, experienced walking but not getting any further, colour shifts. And as a big bonus I found what must be the first liberty caps of the season (and the first I've ever found) Feeling alright now, wish I was out again but its a tad cold, don't like being confined, too restless. Headspace feels mongy and clear at the same time.
 
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wow I had an amazing but somewhat in controlled experience on 60mg freebase. Got a 50mg sample very light coloured very stinky and after my past experienced thought I'd be ok with the whole 50mg.

Well now I know what Xorkoth and MagikalKat have been getting at, the other freebase I had at higher dose was more visual but I was in control of it, I could function fine. This is total euphoria, boot shaking euphoria, no visuals as such like the last times but things seems sparkly and bright. But the euphoria I'm feeling of 50mg very pale freebase is something I had thought I'd lost. Totally overwhelming.

My thanks to Xorkoth and MagikalKat777 for being relentless in your message to take it easy and slowly, build up, never think you've got the measure of something, it is appreciated, now I know why.

Must TR this when I can see straight

Take it steady is the point, I thought I had the measure and I'm now a blubby, incoherent, incapacitated mess. Be careful Xorkoth and MagikalKat777 know.
It flipped on the dopa-epinephrine electric jitter switch and sent your brain for a fuse blowing swim in the serotonin filled washing machine, eh? That's what I was talking about before where even if the psychedelia isn't too intense the monoamine release can still get you really floaty, sloshy, and disoriented. It's probably best just to ride it out so the lesson really sticks but if things get substantially more intense benzos or a few drinks should help with any more worrisome anxiety and trembling.
 
It flipped on the dopa-epinephrine electric jitter switch and sent your brain for a fuse blowing swim in the serotonin filled washing machine, eh? That's what I was talking about before where even if the psychedelia isn't too intense the monoamine release can still get you really floaty, sloshy, and disoriented. It's probably best just to ride it out so the lesson really sticks but if things get substantially more intense benzos or a few drinks should help with any more worrisome anxiety and trembling.

Thank you for the very thoughtful and informative advice psood0nym it is greatly appreciated.

Though I have to say even though the first say...oh..4 hours were a slighty messy, intense ride I have now completely mellowed and feel back in control. I just wasn't expecting such a bumpy ripe up here. I thought I wouldn't be able to handle things on the way up, but if I feel I want to be back in control I can sort of snap myself round long enough to make sure I'm safe before melting into a yummy pot of gorgeousness.

I'm going to ride this out as it's settled thanks psood0nym.

I'll edit any of the above later if it's not appropriate, my apologies.
 
^ To those asking if the nasty indole mothball smell is indicative of high purity, I don't think it will indicate much. Two different freebase batches that both smell rank could have vastly differing levels of impurities. I have two different samples of AMT freebase, neither are from recent UK batches. One is white and the other is slightly yellowish, and both appear to have the same effects profile. Smell and colour alone aren't enough to gauge the quality. Hope everyone has good quality aMT!
 
I dont think amt is the only thing to blame here.
You put your brain and body through quite a bit by using m1 a couple days in a row.
Also that dose is a bit on the low side.
Low doses of amt are not pleasant. It only gets fun once you've taken enough to trip (or 5-10mg is a good way to spend the day too).

If it were me id wait a week or two and eat 40mg.
Youd be surprised how different it will feel.

Because it breaks down and is not pleasant when it does.

I just went through hell from a simple 20mg. Head pounding, heart pounding, fluid retention, back pain, nausea for the last 6 hours, shaking...

I had no idea how bad it was going to be until I took it - I knew it was not in good condition but I didn't think it was anywhere near this bad.

3mg of Klonopin later and I'm still feeling totally poisoned, can't sleep, totally tired, weird body pains ranging all over my body...

Seriously, I didn't believe it could be so bad. I would have rather taken 5-MeO-AMT - at least I would have seen some nice visuals.

I need to figure out how to clean this stuff up or just toss it all... but this was a nasty nasty experience. And 20mg is nothing. SO glad I didn't take 40 like I wanted to. Started off feeling fine and then the head pain and everything else set in. Nasty. Now I know what my friend Rachel went through when she left a gram of freebase out in the sun for a week and then took some. Definitely don't want to repeat this experience.

And unlike your average psychedelic, you can't terminate AMT. Now I'm just stuck with a crappy bodyload, a fucked up head space, and just feeling like I've been poisoned - I would rather eat a bunch of benedryl than feel the way I feel right now, that's how bad it is.
 
^Agreed, you're trying to squeeze out dopamine from vesicles that probably look like raisins. Not to mention you may still be dehydrated. These two things alone could explain a lot of your symptoms.

Re the smell/quality conjecture, I'll add to the skepticism already levied and say probably the purest aMT I've ever had (judging from how fast and clearly in goes into solution) has been totally odorless HCl. I've also had nearly odorless white freebase that was of the expected quality. No amount of color or smell I've ever come across in about 7 different samples from 5 different sources over the years has made any consistent difference in effects. Tiny bits of whatever or lack thereof make big differences to color, smell, consistency etc, and I doubt the breakdown products present in even, say, 92 percent pure batches, are sufficiently psychoactive to alter the effects in any kind of "double-blind" statistically significant way.
 
^They probably don't vary all that much. For a chemical to directly impact experience due to impurities in its synthesis its impurities must, themselves, be psychoactive. There may be chemicals whose unreacted synthesis byproducts are psychoactive, or whose breakdown metabolites are psychoactive, but so far as I know it's not common for these fractional amounts to be both psychoactive and an order of magnitude more potent than their parent compounds -- as they must be if they are to influence the subjective experience of the trip in amounts on the order of 0.01 - 8 percent impurities, as is a common breakdown in RC syntheses. Variance in experience is most often better accounted for by set and setting.
 
I dont think amt is the only thing to blame here.
You put your brain and body through quite a bit by using m1 a couple days in a row.
Also that dose is a bit on the low side.
Low doses of amt are not pleasant. It only gets fun once you've taken enough to trip (or 5-10mg is a good way to spend the day too).

If it were me id wait a week or two and eat 40mg.
Youd be surprised how different it will feel.

I actually factored this in to the the equation - I gave a 30mg and a 40mg dose to two separate friends, the one who ate 30mg had a terrible time of it (she is quite sensitive to AMT bodyload like myself), then one who ate 40mg had visuals that she said she wouldn't relate to AMT at all.

Even at 20mg, I was getting some pretty strong flowing... usually that wouldn't start to manifest until 40 or 50mg...

Anyway, I was just happy for it to be over. You may be right about the dose but I don't want to push it... that was not pleasant and I've done all sorts of doses of AMT before and the only other time it wasn't pleasant was when we did AMT freebase that was stored stupidly.

This stuff was so highly degraded Delsyd that when examining the bag, it was yellow with white spots in it and it clumps together so much that even once I got it out of the bag (for the most part - some of it seemed to have fused with the bag), agitating it broke it up into two parts - a bunch of clumps and a bunch of fine powder... I took the clumps. I'm almost betting the fine powder would be perfectly fine.

My methylone use may have had something to do with this but I had 48 hours between the come down of the M1 and coming up on the AMT, was well-rested, had enough food, etc., this was just crappy AMT bodyload.

Anyway, I'll hold onto it and use the powder next time, at 30mg...

Something to keep in mind though - nothing knocks AMT out. I took 3mg of Klonopin, some phenibut, and even two Remeron and still couldn't pass out. Anything else, I would have been out cold. I have friends that take Trazodone on the come down but even still, they can't sleep until the plateau has worn off. Just a word of caution that I had totally forgotten - there is just about NO WAY to abort a bad AMT trip.

Careful everyone!

And Delsyd, you have PM :)

EDIT: Oh and I by no way meant to imply that the freebase smell meant better quality product, I meant it is a good way to guage you actually have AMT - nothing else smells like AMT freebase - rather than having something else like 5-MeO-AMT. IMO, one of the only advantages of freebase AMT besides lower dosing requirements is that the smell of skatole will give it away - properly done AMT freebase (ie., pure), will have almost no strong smell to it but that stuff is quite rare as it needs to be QUITE pure.
 
Haven't tried aMT. If I do I was wondering in your experiences does it have an aphrodisiac effect like a lot of other drugs.

If taken at home will I play music for a long time or is it more likely to end up in the bedroom with my mrs?

Seems it lasts a very long time. Not too sure about it.
 
Haven't tried aMT. If I do I was wondering in your experiences does it have an aphrodisiac effect like a lot of other drugs.

If taken at home will I play music for a long time or is it more likely to end up in the bedroom with my mrs?

Seems it lasts a very long time. Not too sure about it.

High doses it was a very erotic drug... but normal low doses should be neutral... You will most likely play music for a long long long time...
 
arrrgghhh Im starting to worry about my first time 2mg dose now. Dont want to push it by taking any more though. this may not be the chemical for me, we shall see!!
 
arrrgghhh Im starting to worry about my first time 2mg dose now. Dont want to push it by taking any more though. this may not be the chemical for me, we shall see!!

2mg? You won't even feel that.

Let me tell you that I may very well have psyched myself out on the AMT based on past experiences with bad quality stuff... And Delsyd may very well be right that my brain was just zapped along with my body...

I can tell you that out of my 20 or so experiences with it that I can remember, only 2 or 3 of them were ever bad, yesterday included... But when I was doing AMT, it was pretty much the ONLY thing I was doing... I wasn't doing drugs like M1 that blast the receptors...

Just make sure you stay really hydrated - also, having Emergen-C on hand will help amazingly with the body load. I did start to feel much better after drinking an Emergen-C packet and its always been that way - if I hadn't popped the Klonopin and instead drank the Emergen-C first, I may very well have not had such a nasty experience. I have a feeling that taking the Klonopin may have made things worse because it wanted to sedate me and AMT wasn't having any part of it so it just made the trip drag on longer and longer.
 
Thanks MagickalKat777

Seems to me this may be a quite perfect drug for the home music listening (DJ'ing) experience. I don't mind the aphrodisiac effect of some RC's but in many cases it's so much that it overrides everything else (or perhaps that's just me)

A perfect night for me would be plenty of music listening before the eventual (inevitable?) sexfest. :-)

I don't take Viagra or anything like that but I wonder if our night does go as mentioned above, does the drug cause the sort of problem associated with some peoples need for Viagra? Stimulants are the main culprits for this I know but I'm wondering what aMT is like in that sense as I gather it's a psychedelic with some stimulant properties?

I think it's useful to know what might well happen so we have no surprises. (I realise everybody is different.) Cheers folks.

(ps I see people on here refer to 'bodyload' quite a lot. I'm not really sure what this means)
 
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2mg? You won't even feel that.

Let me tell you that I may very well have psyched myself out on the AMT based on past experiences with bad quality stuff... And Delsyd may very well be right that my brain was just zapped along with my body...

I can tell you that out of my 20 or so experiences with it that I can remember, only 2 or 3 of them were ever bad, yesterday included... But when I was doing AMT, it was pretty much the ONLY thing I was doing... I wasn't doing drugs like M1 that blast the receptors...

Just make sure you stay really hydrated - also, having Emergen-C on hand will help amazingly with the body load. I did start to feel much better after drinking an Emergen-C packet and its always been that way - if I hadn't popped the Klonopin and instead drank the Emergen-C first, I may very well have not had such a nasty experience. I have a feeling that taking the Klonopin may have made things worse because it wanted to sedate me and AMT wasn't having any part of it so it just made the trip drag on longer and longer.

sorry, that should have said 20mg!! :)
 
Thanks MagickalKat777

Seems to me this may be a quite perfect drug for the home music listening (DJ'ing) experience. I don't mind the aphrodisiac effect of some RC's but in many cases it's so much that it overrides everything else (or perhaps that's just me)

A perfect night for me would be plenty of music listening before the eventual (inevitable?) sexfest. :-)

I don't take Viagra or anything like that but I wonder if our night does go as mentioned above, does the drug cause the sort of problem associated with some peoples need for Viagra? Stimulants are the main culprits for this I know but I'm wondering what aMT is like in that sense as I gather it's a psychedelic with some stimulant properties?

I think it's useful to know what might well happen so we have no surprises. (I realise everybody is different.) Cheers folks.

(ps I see people on here refer to 'bodyload' quite a lot. I'm not really sure what this means)

I had serious sound distortion on a 60mg freebase dose that would completely destroy the ability to beatmatch. Shouldn't stop you trying though. I never had this yesterday into last night and going still I could listen to music through speakers and really get in touch with it and separate all the parts. Was very involving and allowed me to calm myself of the original shock of the rushes. My sense of hearing felt highly tuned and I was talking quietly because it sounded like I was booming this is why when I put earphones in on yesterday's dose the music at any volume was completely overwhelming.

BobWeir'd I suggest you and your partner put the music on in the bedroom and see where the mood takes you. Take your time and have fun. I didn't get overly sexually aroused like I have done on other drugs but I did want sex because I felt so good and wanted to share this and my missus' flesh looked so damn stunning. We played and cuddled for a long time stroking and cuddling and the physical finger tip strokes were absolutely amazing, feeling the goosebumps raise as I slide my finger and almost see sparks shooting around the area it passed.

It was complete and utter magic.

It really is pointless to say which batch was better or if there is any difference at all. Many have said this drug varies greatly every time and my last two experiences were both totally amazing in different ways for different reasons.


Variance in experience is most often better accounted for by set and setting.

It's been mentioned many times before with regards amt specifically but my two experiences have varied so much I wonder what adventures are in store next time?

I learnt to not get complacent and think I'm invincible because I have done it once before and therefore know it inside and out.

At the beginning and during the most intense parts it was like I was being shown briefly how it can bite like it was warning me then when I got the point it would reign it in a little. Before telling me off sternly but fairly after that lesson had been learnt it dropped me into a really nice mellow trippy dreamy sequence that I felt completely in control and on top of. I had a great yellowy time as the colour yellow seemed a prominent theme.

I slept happily for a few hours and have woken feeling great but obviously still under the influence, coming up to 18 hours now.
 
Thanks Ben So Furry.

I'm looking at vendors and see some hcl and some freebase. I'm interested in trying both.

I take it the freebase is smoked in a pipe in a tiny quantity and the hcl is ingested sensibly starting at 10mg / 20 mg and see what happens.

Is it a bad idea to try the hcl and freebase on the same occasion?
 
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