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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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I have been taking mephedrone regularly for a few months but never over 500mg in a night and only 1 night a week and never mixed with anything else with no ill effects.

I have read the mephedrone threads and see some people have had nasty side effects which is a concern.
Because of those reports I had planned on not taking mephedrone again especially having found some aMT.

The aMT was lovely and euphoric but for me at least lacks any stimulation/energy and makes we want to sleep making the experience unpleasant.
I certainly do not want to risk seratonin syndrome especially after reading shables' horrible experience with Tramadol and LSD.

So am I right in thinking that the danger in mixing the 2 drugs is because the effects of mephedrone may be much stronger whilst under the influence of aMT?
Is seratonin syndrome also a possibility with mixing these 2?

On aMT I do not get hot and sweaty (like on MDMA) or flushed, in fact I feel a bit chilly which is unusual for me.
I don't sweat on meph either but I do get a bit flushed in the face and a faster heart beat which I would expect with a stimulant.

75mg would be a small dose and don't know if I would feel any effects from it normally.

Found this thread where in post 14 psood0nym mentions possibly trying the combination.
Did you ever try it?

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=411522&highlight=amt+mephedrone
 
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^Yeah, I did it a couple weeks after that post. I never wrote back because I didn't feel comfortable levying judgment on the combo given the circumstances I took it under. It was winter break, and my girlfriend and I were sick from cabin fever. We drove to one of those indoor water parks. I couldn't take the two separately, so I took them both rectally, mixed together in the same oral syringe, in the hotel before we left. I had never taken aMT that way before, and a subsequent trial using that ROA confirmed that, for some strange reason, aMT is far more stimulating and less euphoric to me via RA than at a comparative intensity via my usual intramuscular route. The mephedrone kicked in well before the aMT, though it seemed much more stimulating than usual (probably the coffee I had for breakfast plus the fact that I had just woken up). A slightly uncomfortable stimulation stayed with me throughout most of the day, and I really didn't notice the mephedrone decline like I usually would. It still felt good, obviously, but I'd preferred to have just done aMT alone or aMT, then mephedrone.

However, that latter option could be dangerous. Read some of the MDMA/aMT combos on Erowid. MDMA and aMT have similar mechanisms of action according to limited data, but aMT probably lets out the monoamines in a constant trickle whereas MDMA and, presumably, mephedrone, just kicks over the bucket. People that know more pharmacology than me have read the data as indicating aMT causes release of serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine at low doses and both release and re-uptake inhibition at high doses. If you take a high dose of aMT and kick over the bucket with mephedrone, you've got a spill that doesn't get mopped up for a long time. The neurotoxic effects of such a combo are probably far greater than if you summed the individual damages of each taken alone. Plus, due to mephedrone's short duration and aMT's long one, you'd want to re-dose.

I haven't noticed any health detriments with mephedrone either. But even back in January I was leery of mephedrone, and have yet to take more than 100mg in a single day (might do it once more in my life). I can't believe people use 1-5 grams in a weekend! That's kind of like taking 10-50 rolls in succession.

If you want more stimulation use amphetamine (Adderall) with aMT. The alphamethylphenethylamine/alphamethyltryptamine combo, as many have claimed before, is incredible. And for long lasting, powerful euphoria with an emphathogenic edge and no comedown take the amphetamine as the aMT starts to plateau along with a decent opiate (not tramadol, obviously). Take small bumps of amphetamine as necessary.
 
^ Excellent analogy! Also the amphetamine/AMT combo sounds amazing, I remember reading one of your previous posts in this thread a while back thinking I should try that.

As far as psychoactive drug combos with AMT go all I have tried is AMT+weed and it is amazing. It works wonders for the nausea (for the oral route) during the first part of the experience and after you come up and start tripping the smoke tastes so good and compliments the experience perfectly. I usually don't enjoy smoking marijuana as it gives me too much anxiety but I recommend it with AMT.
 
I think it's also worth mentioning that MDMA + AMT can be a fantastic and safe combination (even moreso than amphetamine + AMT) as long as the amount of each material is accurately measured and prudently chosen. For me, that means taking 15 mg of AMT along with 75 mg of MDMA at the 2 hour point. That combination has never before displayed any signs of physical threat (in the form of, say, overheating or headache) in my trials, and I've performed several. However, if anyone with a thorough knowledge of pharmacology thinks that these substances in conjunction with one another at that level could potentially be dangerous, please speak up. Obviously, I'd advise anyone considering this combination to first become intimately familiar with their reaction to AMT and MDMA individually, and I'd hate to post this endorsement only to have someone attempt it and land themselves in the ER with serotonin syndrome. Bah, maybe it isn't even worth the risk. Thoughts?
 
^I'm sure there's a way to do it that minimizes the risk. The doses you've found to work without issue sound about right for avoiding the biggest problems (though even individually aMT and MDMA have some degree of neurotoxicity due to simultaneous serotonin and dopamine release from what I hear). The biggest risk in practice stems from common circumstances and thought processes. That is, how many people know they have pure crystal MDMA to dose that way with? People get sold pills they're told are pure MDMA of a certain dose. I know you're intent is to say people should only try the combo with aMT and MDMA of known purity and composition. I just imagine people having slips of memory and making justifications about what's safe when they're fucked up is all, e.g. "I think I remember reading it's OK to mix those 'e pills' I got from my trustworthy and omniscient dealer and that 60mg dose of aMT I'm on so long as I only eat one."
 
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You make a good point, and I likely should have mentioned that I only attempt this combination with tested, crystal MDMA. Attempting any MAOI + MDMA combination is, at least to some extent, foolish and dangerous, but doing so with unknown quantities of either (using e pills, for instance) is nothing short of reckless. Be careful out there!
 
Yup. I should probably point out that when I combined MDMA with AMT it wasn't too huge a dose of AMT (can't remember exactly but no more than 25mg vaped max) and the MDMA was good quality crystal and a weighed (but since forgotten) dose that was also on the lowish side. Although I think I probably redosed MDMA at some point too.
 
Thanks for the replies.
Interesting to read that you found RA of aMT to be more stimulating than euphoric compared with other ROA's. That is the only ROA I have tried and found it euphoric but not stimulating.
I assume you felt the need for something extra that's why you added the Mephedrone?

As I have said before 25mg of aMT felt like a mild dose, not much euphoria and I slept all day.
With 50mg I felt tingles almost straight away and for the next 3 hours a building euphoria which lasted another 3 hours before I felt so tired I just wanted to sit in the dark with music on and sleep. I did not actaully sleep for another 10 hours though.
But there was no stimulation for me which I really craved with the euphoria.

Out of interest what dose of mephedrone did you take, 100mg?
That would normally be a weak dose for me but you mentioned the aMT seemed to potentiate it.
My plan was to take the mephedrone about 5 hours after the aMT when I would normally be feeling tired.

Good analogy about mephedrome kicking over the bucket, it certainly acts fast and can hit hard.

I do not have access to amphetamines, opiates or MDMA but do have .5g of mephedrone left from a couple of weeks ago. I do not smoke either.

Shambles has taken aMT with LSD and MDMA, delphium mentioned several trials with aMT and MDMA although 15mg of aMT I don't think would do much for me.

I also read that aMT releases seratonin, dopamine and norepinephrine and inhibits re-uptake of them, what about Mephedrone?
To me mephedrone does not seem to act on seratonin much, seems more dopamine to me, not much euphoria but more of an excitement and horniness.

I am now undecided about this combo. Neither are that brilliant on their own to me but I do not want to risk SS for the sake of a few hours fun.
 
Out of interest, is the AMT you have the incredibly stinky (as in strong enough to leak through the baggie and linger) variety that seems to be around in the UK at the moment, Khatman? I know of another EADDer who reported a similar experience to yours (particularly the lack of energy) and mentioned that it was extremely strong smelling.

AMT doesn't exactly smell sweet but it's not that strong - certainly not enough to leak through a baggie. I can only smell mine if I put my nose in the bag pretty much. Just wondering if the stuff gaining popularity in the UK may be a poor quality synth or summat, perhaps.
 
I also found AMT to be sedating, so perhaps it just affects some people that way. I took it via retal admin.
 
I have nothing to compare it to as it is my first lot of aMT.
A friend bought it over from Europe when he visited there a couple of weeks ago but I do not know where it originated from.

Also I don't know how he or the guy he got it from had been storing it, that might affect potency if not kept cool?

To answer your question yes it is extremely smelly.
I have it in 3 plastic zip lock bags and a glass jar, as soon as the lid is taken off of the jar the smell hits me without opening the bags and I don't have a particularly good sense of smell (cannot smell scent of flowers that others can etc).

None of the Mephedrone I ever bought smelt strong to me.

In a post Treacle made he found the stimulation uncomfortable, lots of nervous energy and the speediest drug he has ever taken even at a low dose, 5-10mg.
So I am assuming it is a different batch or like mephedrone and M1 the same drug affects different people in different ways.

It could be a poor quality synth but all the other desirable effects were there for me at 50mg, euphoria, dilated pupils, body tingles, music appreciation.
 
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khatman said:
Thanks for the replies.
Interesting to read that you found RA of aMT to be more stimulating than euphoric compared with other ROA's. That is the only ROA I have tried and found it euphoric but not stimulating.
I assume you felt the need for something extra that's why you added the Mephedrone?

As I have said before 25mg of aMT felt like a mild dose, not much euphoria and I slept all day.
With 50mg I felt tingles almost straight away and for the next 3 hours a building euphoria which lasted another 3 hours before I felt so tired I just wanted to sit in the dark with music on and sleep. I did not actaully sleep for another 10 hours though.
But there was no stimulation for me which I really craved with the euphoria.

Out of interest what dose of mephedrone did you take, 100mg?
That would normally be a weak dose for me but you mentioned the aMT seemed to potentiate it.
My plan was to take the mephedrone about 5 hours after the aMT when I would normally be feeling tired.

Good analogy about mephedrome kicking over the bucket, it certainly acts fast and can hit hard.

I do not have access to amphetamines, opiates or MDMA but do have .5g of mephedrone left from a couple of weeks ago. I do not smoke either.

Shambles has taken aMT with LSD and MDMA, delphium mentioned several trials with aMT and MDMA although 15mg of aMT I don't think would do much for me.

I also read that aMT releases seratonin, dopamine and norepinephrine and inhibits re-uptake of them, what about Mephedrone?
To me mephedrone does not seem to act on seratonin much, seems more dopamine to me, not much euphoria but more of an excitement and horniness.

I am now undecided about this combo. Neither are that brilliant on their own to me but I do not want to risk SS for the sake of a few hours fun.
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I took 100mg of mephedrone rectally with it not because I wanted more stimulation, but just because I thought they might boost and extend the euphoria of one another. With RA 100mg is enough for me.

For the decline of aMT to be relaxing is pretty normal. I've experienced a similar profile to what you describe with freebase and HCl, smelly and not smelly aMT, though I don't typically find the relaxing effects that insistent unless I smoke cannabis and actually try to relax. Cannabis substantially increases both the euphoric and later relaxing qualities of aMT in my experience--with lots of yawning and tearing and stupid contented grins (euphoria skyrockets for like 10 minutes after sitting down after being out). If sedation is the real deal breaker for you and you don't have access to less dangerous euphoric stimulants, why not just use caffeine when you start nearing the decline? It won't cause much excitement, but it will probably be enough to keep you level longer.
 
Whats the standard smoked come up time?

I hit a little sprinkle around 2:40 and its now 3:20. Havent really noticed much. Got a mild buzz going but no visual elements as of yet.
 
Must be pretty weird having a chem with a delayed come up! Thats so not what you are used to with smoking...
 
I know its buggin me...

Well at T+1 hr I didnt feel too different. I smoked more, like closer to 50% more than the first time.

I probably was being super careful with the first dose, I think Im a lil paranoid from this 2c-b-fly scenario. Plus, I've never smoked AMT before so I really had a tough time guessing a good first dose.

Anyway since the second smoke about 20 minutes ago things have picked up. Again, not sure whether thats the first one kicking in or the 2nd one just taking off.

Confusing as hell smoking and waiting.
 
I find it onsets in 5 minutes and comes up over 1/2 and hour. it is weird to have a delayed come up from smoking.

It's like pot in that way. You smoke a bowl, but it takes about 10 to really feel it. I actually like to delayed come-up, it makes it smoother, unlike DMT.

I'm finding it kinda weak. 8mg gives me a bit of a buzz but barely noticeable. I think it might have to do with my bong-vaporization technique. Using tin foil next time

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Does the taste of AMT remind anyone else of tea tree oil?
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Not sure about tea tree oil, but it's nearly identical to moth balls for me.

I find the taste from vaporization or the smell from sniffing the bag is exactly like moth balls. Not overly tasty but not completely offensive either. I had always heard it smelt/tasted literally like shit.
 
Yeah the buzz is like instant but that fades out...

Well its been 1.5 hrs from the 2nd dosing and I can notice visual wavyness now.

AMT normally takes a while to really get into high gear. My oral use I noticed didnt really tear off until like 90-120minutes after intake.

And for sake of saying:

Yeah it smells yucky, but smoking it is hardly a problem. People claiming its harsh, I dont get it. I found it just a tad rougher than DiPT but totally smokable. No problem to hold it in the lungs. Sure its a little hot, but I blame that on not being able to find a bigger lightbulb here in peru.

They all use flourescent bulbs here so the incandescent ones are hard to find, and tiny at that...
 
I can notice the effects from smoking within 5 minutes and that's even with a small 5mg dose
I just use tin foil and a lighter.

Mind you plugged I feel the effects with 15 minutes, the effects slowly build for the following 2 hours or so.
 
Well I'd say like I said, I feel that buzz for the first bit. But the visual effects and such build up from 1-2 hours after. Theres just that rush at the start.

I like the lightbulb method myself.
 
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