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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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Hmm, ok add credit to stinky byproduct theory, subtract credit from stinky freebase theory...
Mine is the HCl I think (bought it as such), fwiw...
One of these days I will basify a little, thereby checking that.

Somehow I find the vendor I got it from legit despite the fact that they got a molecule pic
wrong on the site (I know it was just a bit careless rather than incapable) and their DPT
was *really* brown. Though when I basified that it stayed brown. They claimed that this
product is actually not of inferior quality. Dunno what's up with it?
I have had freebase that smelled and freebase that didn't, and they both worked great. I recall reading a post of fastandbulbous' that said the smell is due to an impurity but even an extremely small amount of impurity can cause the smell.

[The following rant is not directed at you Solipsis, your post regarding the vendor's claim just reminded me of a few things...]

I also recall a post by morninggloryseed about the "pink DPT" that made the rounds before web tryp that so many were sure was impure and "not as spiritual" as white DPT or whatever. He said it tested at over 98 percent purity. It seems that extremely small amounts of impurity can drastically affect color. Unless impurities just happen to be active at extremely low doses (like may be possible in LSD synthesis), an impure product is unlikely to affect the quality of a trip so long as the dosage is adjusted. Maybe some impurities like that exist in tryptamine synthesis, I don't know, but I imagine a lot of bad mouthing about colored or smelly products in terms of the experience they give is nonsensical power of suggestion at work.

Then there was a post I came across by f&b explaining that the dreaded dark amber JWH-018 could be that way simply due to the way the end product crystallized. It can apparently be anywhere from white, to yellow, to dark amber independent of purity--a claim further born out but that early product's being just as potent as claimed in the literature. We all want to be able to know what were ingesting based on salient features because it's more comfortable to imagine we can. It's nice to think we have some predictable control over the experience based on obvious signs. But in the "RC" world where products are typically not cut, probably more often than not our imagination is getting the best of us and resulting in degraded experiences because we're sure impure substance equals impure experience and that impurities can be detected without proper analysis.

Many judge mushrooms and cacti and psychotria viridis as superior to their main active, but synthesized, constituent--4-ho-DMT, mescaline, and MAO inhibited synthed DMT. That's fine--I don't accuse them of lying--yet all of these species are rife with other chemicals which, if they showed up in a synthetic, would doubtlessly be deemed by many of these same people as dirty impurities of a botched synthesis. It's a bizarre coincidence that those chemicals that have a high yielding natural source are so often experientially preferred mixed with the other chemicals in the natural source but an impure synthetic is often thought to cause a tainted experience. It's like nature can do no wrong by us self-medicating humans. I'm not saying eat poorly synthesized psychedelics--there may be impurities with a "double-blind" psychoactive influence in some cases (though I doubt in the preponderance). I just mean to raise suspicions about what is influencing our judgment regarding what parts of the experience are intrinsic to purity when we've all had far ranging experiences with the same batch of a psychedelic at the same dose.

I apologize if I'm misquoting anyone here.
 
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My freebase was very stanky for the record. Also very white and clean looking. But very poopy smelling. Not as bad as DiPT though. When you smoke that, you just basically smell like ass for a while.
 
Plugged 25mg at 11am yesterday, could feel tingles quite soon afterwards, slight mood uplift 3 hours later, pupils were small not dilated, lots of yawning.
Sex was possible but I could not be bothered.
Was very hungry and managed to east no problem throughout the day.
No desire to listen to music or increase in energy.
No jaw clenching.

Certainly was not comfortable interacting with the neighbours while on it.

By 5pm I was feeling chilly (unusual for me) and just wanted to lie down and close my eyes.
Felt small mood lift but nowhere near what I would call euphoria.
Went to bed at 7pm and probably fell asleep at 9pm, slept right through until 8am.
 
Plugged 25mg at 11am yesterday, could feel tingles quite soon afterwards, slight mood uplift 3 hours later, pupils were small not dilated, lots of yawning.
Sex was possible but I could not be bothered.
Was very hungry and managed to east no problem throughout the day.
No desire to listen to music or increase in energy.
No jaw clenching.

Certainly was not comfortable interacting with the neighbours while on it.

By 5pm I was feeling chilly (unusual for me) and just wanted to lie down and close my eyes.
Felt small mood lift but nowhere near what I would call euphoria.
Went to bed at 7pm and probably fell asleep at 9pm, slept right through until 8am.

If you're looking for euphoria I would recommend upping the dosage. I tried AMT at 25 mg and didn't really find it special at all, but 6 months later when I had more time on my hands I tried some higher dosages and found those much more enjoyable.

60mg orally is probably my favorite dose. I have done 100mg in one go and that was also great, much more psychedelic but still not overpowering and not a mindfuck at all. That 100 mg dose was the last of my AMT and I wish I had split it into two 50mg experiences though! I want some more!
 
^ I'd say that was a tad on the high side for the relatively inexperienced. 25mg vaped is my personal sweet spot but YMMV.

Psood0nym: I believe the stinkyness of AMT is down to the presence of scatole. I don't know if that is an impurity or an inevitability though.
 
I am planning to plug a 40 or 50 mg dose next week in the hope that it provides a bit of stimulation and does not make me want to sit down all day and sleep.

Or I could read up on vaping which I understand gives a bit more stimulation.
Never vaped anything before, I assume it is more than just using tin foil to burn it on.
Is there a big and dandy thread on vapourising and the equipment needed?
 
I recommend plugging 40-50mg like you said. I'd just go for 50mg. At a higher dosage the euphoria and full effects will come out. 25mg can be a less-than-full dose, and those always have a chance of being disappointing, especially if you've never gotten full effects before.
 
Never vaped anything before, I assume it is more than just using tin foil to burn it on.
Is there a big and dandy thread on vapourising and the equipment needed?

I think there's the odd thread about vapouriser recommendations around but I doubt you'd want to use one of those cos anything else you used it for afterwards may have a bit of a shitty tang :D

I actually do just use tinfoil and it works fine :)
 
Planning on taking some vape'd AMT to go with a 2c-b-fly trip in the coming month or so.

Should be interesting. Seems AMT and 2c-b have gone well together before, hopefully this holds true with the FLY version.
 
Alphamethyl trypatamine interaction with Tramadol

Does AMT interact with tramadol as i have heard it lasts a long time and i take 150mg of tramadol in the morning daily as an antidepressant.

any info would be great thanks=D
 
Plugged 50mg aMT yesterday at 8am by dropping what I think is freebase into 2ml of water which mostly sunk to the bottom of the liquid, added a couple of drops of vinegar and then lemon juice which disolved a bit but managed to get the undisolved lumps suspended in the syringe. I was worried that it would not all absorb when squirted but it was definitley stronger than the 25mg shot.

Again felt some changes just a few minutes later but full effects by 10.30, also smoked 7mg 11am.
Pupils bigger this time, much euphoria, music appreciation, eating more difficult, no extra energy.
Sat down to listen to music a 2pm and could not get back up, stayed there till evening and then went to bed, slept at midnight.
Flet tired and drianed all today.

I loved the euphoria but don't seem to be getting any stimulation or energy which I really need with this because it seems a waste to just sleep the whole time.

Any ideas what I can do to add some energy, a higher dose?
I am guessing 200mg of mephedrone is a bad idea but that gives me plenty of energy but no euphoria. This might be a dangerous combo?

Also should I be taking 5-HTP the day after aMT up until the day I take it again?
 
Shambles maybe has additional info but I know tramadol is an SNRI but also a weak SSRI and he had a serotonin syndrome episode after combining tramadol with LSD.
Now I'm not sure of the exact differences in pharmacology between LSD and a-MT but I sure as hell wouldn't combine tramadol with a psychedelic myself. Apparently there are some freaky interactions and you really don't ever want that!
On top of that a-MT is a very mild MAOI and a serotonergic drug so I feel confident saying stay away from that combo if you want to stay healthy.
 
You said it all for me, Solipsis :)

The MAOI effect of AMT may be pretty weak (I've combined it with LSD and MDMA with no problem) but that run-in with SS combining LSD and tramadol was a potent reminder that interactions can be hellish and very dangerous. There's no way I'd combine AMT and tramadol and I'd strongly advise anybody else to do the same.
 
That's odd that you don't get any energy on AMT, Khatman. It certainly gives me energy once it fully kicks in, although it initially makes me very drowsy. I've combined it with LSD and MDMA which was divine and I certainly had plenty of energy. Any AMT combos need to be approached with caution due to its mild MAOI activity though. Given my success with the MDMA combo it's possible mephedrone would be okay (other than meph being toxic crap in general) but I'd only use a very low dose to test the waters and titrate up slowly if you do try it.

There's no evidence to suggest 5-HTP is of any use for the ftereffects of serotonergic drugs, as far as I know. I've never used it personally but some report a beneficial effect. I've also heard that it can be harmful but don't know enough about it either way to say really.
 
Merged in a question about AMT's interaction with tramadol.

My educated guess is that it will interact dangerously with tramadol. Stimulants on tramadol can lead to rapid heart beat, serotonin syndrome, and even death. In general that is. I wouldn't risk it.
 
Yes I don't understand it either. It is certainly listed as a stimulant on the wiki page.
I wonder if I still did not take a large enough dose to ge the full effects.
Almost there but not quite.

When I first read that you took LSD and MDMA with the aMT I could not understand why you would do that but now I realsie how amazing that could be.
However I don't have access to MDMA and never fancied LSD.

It's strange, coke, speed, MDMA, mephedrone, all make me horny but make my willy shrink where aMT does not shrink me but does not make me feel horny.

I was thinking of plugging 60mg of aMT Friday and then about 4 hours later plugging 200mg of mephedrone.

I was reading about MAOI on wiki and think that many of the problems are averted when not taken orally, the dietry interactions anyway.
 
I was thinking of plugging 60mg of aMT Friday and then about 4 hours later plugging 200mg of mephedrone.

I was reading about MAOI on wiki and think that many of the problems are averted when not taken orally, the dietry interactions anyway.

From my understanding the danger in taking mephedrone or MDMA with an MAOI is not from dietary interactions but the increased heart rate, body temperature and other effects mixing the two could cause. Maybe someone with a bit more knowledge has something else to add.

Anyways, it seems the MAOI properties of AMT have small influence if any. I have drank alcohol while on AMT with no problem. In any case I think you are much safer trying a smaller dose of mephedrone while on AMT first, maybe something like 75 mg, that way if the MAOI properties of AMT do potentiate the effects of mephedrone you aren't going to be in over your head with something like a seizure.
 
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