The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

[Dr.DOB]

thats the first effing thing i thought.
Believe me, i am a very atomic hard head when it comes to mushrooms.
i found 100mgs of 4-aco-dmt too subtle compared to a half ounce of mushrooms.
But moclobemide would probably definatly amp the freqency of it some kind of twistedly profound heights....

Many of which i would care to indulge in.

u took 100mgs?!?!?!?!
thats a hefty dose

 

[Yippee Skippy]

I wonder how well this would mix with 2c-b and if they could be pressed together? Probably expensive to do but damn that could be fun.

I took ~ 27mg of 2c-b at the tail end of a 4-aco-dmt trip and the transition was pretty seamless. Got a little "speedy" compared to the first part, but overall it felt like a continuation.

There are some fairly specific visuals that I get almost every time on 4-aco-dmt, and I got more "phen-like" visuals later on too, but the "tryptamine" patterns had most likely faded from that phase of the experience by then anyway.

I wouldn't go out of my way to repeat this experiment, it wasn't great or anything, however it certainly wasn't unpleasant at all.

 

[effingcustie]

Does anyone know if it's possible to convert 4-aco-dmt (I guess most likely fumarate) into a freebase and smoke it? I am intrigued by the reports about IV 4-aco-dmt but have never used needles and would like to avoid starting. With tryptamines like DMT and DPT the experience with smoking the freebase is similar to that of IVing, from what I've read, so I wonder if the same is true with 4-aco-dmt and one could potentially get a similar trip to IVing from smoking it.

 

[dread]

Tryptamines with an oxygen in the 4-position are generally not well suited for smoking. Vaporizing the freebase might work, then again it might not.

 

[Burn it up]

What could we say about the stability of 4-AcO-DMT?

Does it degrade as quickly as other triptamines or is it more stable?

What is the longest time you guys have stored it without a significant potency loss?


Thank you.




Regarding the speculations about weather or not it converts to psilocin, I think these links will solve this out, PubMed is the key for these issues! It actually does convert to psilocin:


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...nel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum - Determination of psilocin and 4-hydroxyindole-3-acetic acid in plasma by HPLC-ECD and pharmacokinetic profiles of oral and intravenous psilocybin in man.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...nel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum - Renal excretion profiles of psilocin following oral administration of psilocybin: a controlled study in man

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...nel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum - The detection of psilocin in human urine.

 

[Recept]

I have stored 4-AcO-DMT dissolved in aqueous EtOH and kept in the freezer for a relatively long period, maybe around 6 months, without any significant loss in potency. That makes me conclude it is relatively stable (unlike some other 4-substituted trypts).

That was the fumarate, btw. Other forms might be less stable.

 

[JumpinJackFlash]

just curious, has anyone tried combining this with 2C-E?

Not 2C-E but 2C-I, not exactly the same I know, but somewhat similar. I think 4-aco lends itself quite well to any of the 2C's, with I it ramped the visuals up dramatically, although doing such things together does make one very tired indeed.

 

[highandrolling]

any more people who have experience with 4-AcO-DMT insufflated?? Ive heard from a friend that 50mg was very much like n,n DMT but alot more smooth and longer acting.

Im goin to see how it is with smaller doses and work my way up, although it is amazing orally i just want to play around with it some more

 

[gravitymonk]

Hi everyone,

I'm new to BL, but I've been lurking for years. I finally decided to register to report an experience I had last night that was unlike anything I have ever imagined. I'll post a trip report once I sort it all out and translate into words as much as I can, but here's a short summary for this thread:

On an empty stomach and with no tolerance, I swallowed 200mg of harmine HCl wrapped in a rolling paper. A little over two hours later, when I was seeing tracers as my eyes scanned over text on a page, I ingested 25mg (+-1mg) of 4-AcO-DMT dissolved in maybe 6oz of orange juice. Previously, I've had eight trips with this substance at various doses, one of which was a beautiful ++++ at 32mg (12mg at T=0, 20mg at T=+70 minutes).

None of these other experiences even came close to the intensity of this one. From what I've read, I was expecting the addition of the MAOi to at least double the intensity, but as I'd taken this substance up to 40mg already with no tolerance and had a relatively mild to moderate +++, I thought it would be a good dose, if somewhat different from what I was used to.

Instead, "I" became infinity and died countless times in an alien landscape so utterly, incorrigibly bizzarre that it defies any attempt at description. This one wasn't an emotional or spiritual trip; rather, I struggled for my life, grasping and clawing at that one final thread that held my ego over the singularity until it finally snapped and I splintered into everything and nothing. When I managed to center myself and quell the ego's mortal fear, my mind was still relatively clear. I felt my ego probed and dissected by mantids as I watched, and I finally understand the infinite arrays of reptillian eyes that I've encountered in psychedelic art.

Visuals were neither OEV nor CEV; they were something else entirely. There wasn't the warping of my surroundings that I've encountered before on most psychedelics I've used. My perception of this world seemed to be mostly unaffected, and I was seeing another world *as well as* this one.

This most intense part of the trip lasted for at least two and a half hours, after which I found my mind more or less back in our universe, but completely insane. I mean padded walls and straitjacket insane; I became for a time the grinning, laughing madman. I was mostly down a total of four hours after I took the 4-AcO-DMT, but my pupils were saucers and I was still mildly tripping for at least another hour and a half until I fell asleep.

Can anybody with some experience with strong doses of oral DMT comment on my experience? I suspect there are many similarities, but I have yet to try N,N-DMT by any route and nothing about that experience resembled 5-MeO-DMT or mushrooms.

On another topic entirely, I've found that 4-AcO-DMT is almost nothing like mushrooms for me personally. My last mushroom experiences were a couple of years ago, though, so maybe I'm not qualified to comment, but they seemed much more "spiritual" and full of wonder than all but one of the trips I've had on 4-AcO-DMT.

(Sorry for the long post. )

 

[Shakti]

Great post. Great experience. Hopefully this will help you make the switch from identifying with the constructed ego and to finally rest as your true self.

I've yet to try oral dmt. So I wont try to compare. This summer I will be though.

 

[lostshepherd]

Who manufacturers the compound 4-Aco-DMT? Interested for information purposes only. So far, I've found two. However, I am interested in learning of more companies who manufacture the compound.

 

[Volcano]

Probably no one will tell you here but I too, only know of those two suppliers vending this product.

 

[General Patton]

You might also want to edit that post man, even hints at sources aren't allowed here... Just a heads up

gravitymonk, welcome to BL & the PD forum! Your input & thoughts will certainly be welcome here, what with that opening post.

 

[Diacetyl-M]

How do people find this mixes with 2c-e? My order should be arriving in a couple days and I have some 2c-e left. Would the body load of the 2c-e detract from the 4-aco experience?

 

[Delsyd]

Although 2c-e is great i do think the bodyload may affect the combo trip badly because 4 aco DMT is so gentle, loving, euphoric and completely transparant on the body.
I dunno, i just love it on its own.

i recomend you try it by itself first just to get a feel for it before going and mixing it with other compounds.

i had a great time with ~10mg and some nitrous a few days ago.

 

[Xorkoth]

I'll bet that rectally-administered 2C-E would mix really well. Oral 2C-E has a bit of a bodyload but rectal 2C-E always feels quite euphoric and gentle to me. I would imagine they would mix well.

 

[Mjäll]

I'll bet that rectally-administered 2C-E would mix really well. Oral 2C-E has a bit of a bodyload but rectal 2C-E always feels quite euphoric and gentle to me. I would imagine they would mix well.

Any clues as to why the drug would work differently on the parasympathetic nervous system with different routes of administration?

 

[Recept]

Personally, I don't think tryptamines and phenethylamines mix that well, although I've only tried it once, which was with mushrooms and 2C-I. Perhaps my timing was off, but there was no apparent synergy really that time and it left me wishing I had just taken them on their own. I much rather combine tryptamines with other tryptamines, and phens with other phens. Egolines (LSD, LSAs) seem to mix well with both of these classes, at least going by my limited experience with these combos - LSD+2C-I and mushrooms+HWBR were both wonderful experiences for me!

YMMV of course, however.

 

[Delsyd]

Oral 2C-E has a bit of a bodyload but rectal 2C-E always feels quite euphoric and gentle to me. I would imagine they would mix well.

2c-e is definately euphoric in that you just got your ass kicked by a psychedelic way.

but i would never call it gentle. 2c-e shredded me to peices and then slowly put me back together over 8 hours.

perhaps lower doses are more gentle, im talking about a 20mg experiene.

 

[NW-baltiland]

4-AcO-DMT is one of my new favorite psych's. It works very well weather eaten or rectally administered, at low doses and high doses, and combines very nicely with other phens. and tryptamines. I've had 18 experiences with 4-AcO-DMT and not one has left me in a bad state of mind or unsatisfied in any way, all around it's in my top 5 RC's. This is one of those chems that I feel I have to stock up on J.I.C. it get's scheduled.