Ximot
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The Big and Dandy 2C-B Scraps Thread
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Ximot
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/\ 36mg of 2C-B must have been quite a whopper, wow! I haven't even done that much of it on its own... and you mix that sort of amount with MDMA.... wow is all I can say. I guess I must find out about that combo in the foreseeable future :D
Different reaction from 2C-B users
I recently exchanged some emails with a couple, they have recently used
2C-B, had very intense experiences. They took each one pill,
unknown ammount, usually after MDMA. From what they told me, and
from my own experience with 2C-B, I told them probably their 2C-B
was laced with something else. I was wrong.
They reported very intense visual and auditory hallucinations. For
instance, the female said she saw the ceiling becoming a river, then
the water falling over her. She said she never been so high before,
really intense, crazy. Also, nice, pleasurable, but a bit too intense
and scary.
I told them I had used 2C-B up to 30 mg, never felt something even
close to that. At that dose, the 2C-B is for me not too intense.
Finnaly I gave them a bit of my 2C-B. They tried it, at aproximately
30 mg, I gave it to them in capsules. Same thing, very intense, again
visual and auditive hallucinations. No ego loss. They said they liked
more my 2C-B, but very similar to theirs.
After that, I decided to try 2C-B at a higher dose, to see if I would
feel something similar to what they felt. I took 75 mg MDMA, 10 min later 48 mg
2C-B. At circa 1:30 h after, I decided to lay in my bedroom in the dark,
then I felt a strong, nice rush, my ego gone, a bit CEV's, a stream of
strange, crazy feelings, images, ideas, visual, pleasure running
through my body. It lasted some 40 min, then slowly I started to think
again, my ego slowly coming back. After that, too tired for anything else,
I just layed in the living room till finnaly I could fall asleep.
This was the strongest reaction I ever had to 2C-B, but it is not even
close to what they have felt, at 30 mg. I had no strong OEV's not
auditory hallucinations. I had reached ego loss though. After the rush,
I felt almost normal, tired but calm, went out and walked for while.
This at 3 h or so.
This seems a confirmation of the fact that there is strong individual
variation in the response to 2C-B. Most of their friends, that also
tried their 2C-B, seemed to have mostly lower sensitivity to the
2C-B, pretty much like me. In other occasion I took 40 mg after 150 mg
MDMA, much less intense. I did not had ego loss then.
This might explain also why many people are more or less disapointed
with 2C-B. If you have the right sensitivity, it is a very powerful
psychedelic, but there seems to be a lot of variation in the intensity
of response to it. Prpbably not only a matter of dosage, but it seems
to be also qualitatively different for different users.
We reacted more or less the same to shrooms, MDMA ( here I am a bit
more sensitive, but no big difference ) and 4HO-DiPT. These all seem
much more predictable and uniform for different users.
Please feel free to comment, agree, disagree, or to post your own
ideas.
I recently exchanged some emails with a couple, they have recently used
2C-B, had very intense experiences. They took each one pill,
unknown ammount, usually after MDMA. From what they told me, and
from my own experience with 2C-B, I told them probably their 2C-B
was laced with something else. I was wrong.
They reported very intense visual and auditory hallucinations. For
instance, the female said she saw the ceiling becoming a river, then
the water falling over her. She said she never been so high before,
really intense, crazy. Also, nice, pleasurable, but a bit too intense
and scary.
I told them I had used 2C-B up to 30 mg, never felt something even
close to that. At that dose, the 2C-B is for me not too intense.
Finnaly I gave them a bit of my 2C-B. They tried it, at aproximately
30 mg, I gave it to them in capsules. Same thing, very intense, again
visual and auditive hallucinations. No ego loss. They said they liked
more my 2C-B, but very similar to theirs.
After that, I decided to try 2C-B at a higher dose, to see if I would
feel something similar to what they felt. I took 75 mg MDMA, 10 min later 48 mg
2C-B. At circa 1:30 h after, I decided to lay in my bedroom in the dark,
then I felt a strong, nice rush, my ego gone, a bit CEV's, a stream of
strange, crazy feelings, images, ideas, visual, pleasure running
through my body. It lasted some 40 min, then slowly I started to think
again, my ego slowly coming back. After that, too tired for anything else,
I just layed in the living room till finnaly I could fall asleep.
This was the strongest reaction I ever had to 2C-B, but it is not even
close to what they have felt, at 30 mg. I had no strong OEV's not
auditory hallucinations. I had reached ego loss though. After the rush,
I felt almost normal, tired but calm, went out and walked for while.
This at 3 h or so.
This seems a confirmation of the fact that there is strong individual
variation in the response to 2C-B. Most of their friends, that also
tried their 2C-B, seemed to have mostly lower sensitivity to the
2C-B, pretty much like me. In other occasion I took 40 mg after 150 mg
MDMA, much less intense. I did not had ego loss then.
This might explain also why many people are more or less disapointed
with 2C-B. If you have the right sensitivity, it is a very powerful
psychedelic, but there seems to be a lot of variation in the intensity
of response to it. Prpbably not only a matter of dosage, but it seems
to be also qualitatively different for different users.
We reacted more or less the same to shrooms, MDMA ( here I am a bit
more sensitive, but no big difference ) and 4HO-DiPT. These all seem
much more predictable and uniform for different users.
Please feel free to comment, agree, disagree, or to post your own
ideas.
treefingers49
Bluelighter
My gf and I each took 18mg of 2C-B and were very impressed. We both reached a soft +3 and had fairly impressive OEVs. They weren't ground-breaking but at doses of 30mg+ I'm positive they would be out of this world. At one point during the trip I said, "it's as though the visuals are on the verge of reaching an incredible magnitude". My next voyage will be on a slightly higher dosage (22-25mg) and I have no doubt that the visuals will be FANTASTIC.
One things to keep in mind is tolerance that one has from excessive tripping. Quite frankly, I'm tired of people posting about their lack of visuals, ego death, etc, and then mention that they've been tripping at truly excessive levels.
I've heard of people needing to take quite large doses of 2C-B to receive the effects that most get between 20-25mg, but I think they are few and far between.
One things to keep in mind is tolerance that one has from excessive tripping. Quite frankly, I'm tired of people posting about their lack of visuals, ego death, etc, and then mention that they've been tripping at truly excessive levels.
I've heard of people needing to take quite large doses of 2C-B to receive the effects that most get between 20-25mg, but I think they are few and far between.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
2C-B is much more desired and legendary than things like 2C-I, DOI, DOC, etc. Without knowing the source or quality of their "2C-B", it is just as likely they were sold 2C-I as 2C-B. It happens.
On the other hand, what is the quality of your source?
The 2C-B I have worked with was synthesized in Holland, and given to me by a friend (who made it). The hbr was based, washed, made into the hcl, and washed several times again. Very clean, white crystaline powder.
At no dose has 2C-B caused anything close to ego loss. I've had up to 36mg. On the other hand, I took 36mg of 2C-B and then 120mg of MDMA an hour in. The experience was extremely intense, and there were moments of ego dissolution, but no ego loss. 2C-B and ketamine produced extreme ego loss.
While the effects on the ego are minimal, 2C-B is a very visual substance. At no dosage does it do what 2C-T-7 or 2C-E does...but it is still very visual.
I need a lot of 2C-B...less than 30mg doesn't do much for me. On the other hand, a friend was blown away by 18mg.
Everyone reacts differently.
On the other hand, what is the quality of your source?
The 2C-B I have worked with was synthesized in Holland, and given to me by a friend (who made it). The hbr was based, washed, made into the hcl, and washed several times again. Very clean, white crystaline powder.
At no dose has 2C-B caused anything close to ego loss. I've had up to 36mg. On the other hand, I took 36mg of 2C-B and then 120mg of MDMA an hour in. The experience was extremely intense, and there were moments of ego dissolution, but no ego loss. 2C-B and ketamine produced extreme ego loss.
While the effects on the ego are minimal, 2C-B is a very visual substance. At no dosage does it do what 2C-T-7 or 2C-E does...but it is still very visual.
I need a lot of 2C-B...less than 30mg doesn't do much for me. On the other hand, a friend was blown away by 18mg.
Everyone reacts differently.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
Ximot said:
2C-B doesn't effect me very much. I have the same problem with 2C-T-7 and it sucks. Anything less than 30mg of 2C-B will not be a full +3. With 2C-T-7, its 35mg. Yet, 2C-C, 2C-D, 2C-E, and 2C-I all effect me very strongly. 16mg of 2C-I was always plenty. 20mg of 2C-E blew away all LSD experiences.
I started with 24mg (which produced a +2, maybe a +3 at the peak when I did nitrous) of 2C-B my first time, and gradually progressed to 36mg. I had at least a half-dozen experiences with it before I added MDMA to the picture.
And the 2C-B is of known authenticity.
morninggloryseed said:
I have taken 2C-I. Different, timing and all. BTW, I had some nice, easy, clearly perceptible OEV's with 2C-I. I don't have OEV's that easy. Everything else I have tried matched what I expected, including dose ( I took 15 mg or so ).
morninggloryseed said:
I have all reasons to believe this is good 2C-B. Also, I have the confirmation of my friends it feels the same for them. I have exchanged emails with the female only, she is a very nice person, very friendly, intelligent. I believe she is not lying or exagerating.
morninggloryseed said:
Maybe ( this is just a guess ) you might have to go a bit higher to achieve ego loss. I did not have ego loss at 40 mg, after 150 mg MDMA, at the end.
morninggloryseed said:
I easily have CEV's on 2C-B, but never OEV's.
morninggloryseed said:
Seems to confirm what I saying. In the other hand, everything else I have tried, shrooms, LSD ( long time ago, more that 25 years ), 5-MeO-MiPT, 4HO-DiPT, 4HO-MiPT, MDMA, even meth ( no longer using it ) behaved exactly as expected / described, including dosage. 2C-B is the oddball.
Your dosage level for 2C-B is similar to mine. Looks like it is more visual for you though.
The male reported a timing very similar to mine, the female a bit delayed.
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2C-B never gave a fully flowing +3 until I topok it a few more times. Seems to be a drug you have to learn the mindstate of. Then it just gets dark and too much too soon. For me anyway.
Never got to try 2C-B and MDMA I don't think, but I think it would be roughly simular to the 2C-I or 2C-E + MDMA combo, which for me was fun but there was something plain about it, also very sedative. Really does potentiate the MDMA. Where as LSD+ MD is its own beautiful but confusing mindstate, more so than any other drug combo I have tried.
Never got to try 2C-B and MDMA I don't think, but I think it would be roughly simular to the 2C-I or 2C-E + MDMA combo, which for me was fun but there was something plain about it, also very sedative. Really does potentiate the MDMA. Where as LSD+ MD is its own beautiful but confusing mindstate, more so than any other drug combo I have tried.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
2C-B and MDMA is NOTHING like 2C-I and MDMA. There is a very special synergy between 2C-B and MDMA, in the same way that there is with LSD and MDMA...that was not there at all with 2C-I.
I can't imagine wanting to take MDMA with 2C-E...but then that one is perfect as it is.
I can't imagine wanting to take MDMA with 2C-E...but then that one is perfect as it is.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
One thing I noted with 2C-B is a rapid come-up and peak effects by the second hour. With the exception of 2C-D....none of the others 2Cs I've tried came on that fast...most of the others took at least three hours to get going, and five hours for the full visual impact. 2C-B and 2C-D both peak at the second hour, and rapidly decline after the third.
Ximot
Bluelighter
I took 10mg of 2C-I along with 70mg MDMA, following a previous 140mg MDMA ingestion. I found it pretty amazing, I felt SO enlightened and connected (for lack of a better way to express it). I had had 3 beers that night though as well, and a couple of modest lines of speed as well as half an acid tab . . . these were all going round my system when I added the 2C-i . . . but it was definitely superb. But then I haven't combined MD with 2C.B yet.
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Like morninggloryseed has said, 2C-B is not the psychedelic to be working with if you are looking to destroy and rebuild your ego.
Try some mushrooms.
2C-B took longer than 2C-D or 2C-C to develop (orally) in me. This was confirmed with ~10 2C-B trials, 4-5 2C-D trials, and ~10 2C-C trials.
Try some mushrooms.
2C-B took longer than 2C-D or 2C-C to develop (orally) in me. This was confirmed with ~10 2C-B trials, 4-5 2C-D trials, and ~10 2C-C trials.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
Just goes to show how different we all are. Though I must mention that 2C-B is fairly well established to have a quick come-up with peak effects at the 2nd hour. Of course, 2C-C and (German psychotherapy aside, and smart-pill users aside) 2C-D are less well known and probably full of surprises.
blue)dolphin said:
I have tripped for years on mushrooms. Usually at 2.5 g, with or without MDMA. I had a very nice first try, an intense bad trip the second try ( rare but happens ). Most of the time cool, nice. Now taking a break, used it too much.
Once took 5 g, tought it had lost potency. BTW, that was a bit too much, but no ego loss, not like this 2C-B experience.
Again talking about my friends experience, both used with mushrooms, but the female told me there was no comparison with the 2C-B experience, more intense she ever had.
Just in case : When in mushrooms, sometimes I think I felt it stronger than the 2C-B, but my ego still there, in the background, watching, later on getting stronger, more in control etc. Never total ego loss.
With the 2C-B, things also intense but more gentle. Indeed, my ego disappeared, no thinking, just a flow of starnge emotions, visual, strange ideas, mostly pleasant feeling.
With the 2C-B, things also intense but more gentle. Indeed, my ego disappeared, no thinking, just a flow of starnge emotions, visual, strange ideas, mostly pleasant feeling.
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I hope you don't mind me pointing out that that is a ridiculously high dose of 2C-B. I wonder about the quality of this 2C-B - your friends' 30mg dose is a very high dose, for that matter.
What do you mean by "approximately" in regards to the doses? Are you weighing these doses?
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