That is a scary notion when someone is tripping in DMT or mushrooms and know they are taking a safe substance. But in the back of the head to know that at least with a similar release of chems some people have died. Maddening. Glad you are ok and it was just a deep trip.My first experience with 25i-NBOH I could see my cells rupturing and was convinced that I was dying. I was crying and saying goodbye to my family.
No, plenty of others have for one reason or another. Bromo-dragonfly, 2C-T-7, 2C-T-21, DOC, and 5-MeO-DMT have all killed people at various times. Erowid.org loosely tracks reports of fatalities.
I believe that the 5-meo-DMT death(s?) Were in conjunction with an MAOI for a pharmahuasca type thing. I could be wrong, the issues with 5-meo-DMT were very rare and a long time ago. The only thing I remember about it is that rhabdomyolysis was a contributing factor in one death.That´s right!, however dragonflies are no pikals classics, the t7 and t21 death where mostly for binge overdose with other hackathon of susbtances IIRC. I didnt know the DOC and 5-meo fatalities. I honestly thought it was not even possible... I mean, I have done ridiculous amounts of 5 meo in the past... but its a good point to have this right
That's my understanding. I'm not counting any death associated with vomit aspiration or drowning.I believe that the 5-meo-DMT death(s?) Were in conjunction with an MAOI for a pharmahuasca type thing
I think it's worth it. I got a gram myself some time ago and it's been great. I don't regret the investment at all.I’m thinking of buying a g of 25b-nboh. It’s not going to be around for ever, so do you think it’s worth it? I had one of my best trips on 25c-nbome.
I think it's worth it. I got a gram myself some time ago and it's been great. I don't regret the investment at all.
I think that I liked 25e-NBOH a tiny little bit more. 25i-NBOH was also the shit. I've never done an NBOMe for comparison but it's hard to beat the NBOH series in terms of sheer potency and intensity of effect.
As cheap as 25b-NBOH is right now it's very hard to beat when you compare to effect. Also one gram could easily last a person for years.
If I continue to use 4mg doses that's 250 strong trips.
Someone recently posted that they tripped on 400 and 800 mcg of 25b-NBOH. The blotters I was getting were 1200mcg and 3-5 of those was a good time to me. (I guess I have some tolerance).
I have been regularly snorting 3-10mg. Mostly in the 3-6mg range.
I have done the same with 25i-NBOH (about 7-8 mg intranasal) and 25e-NBOH up to around 6mg sublingual.
Apparently the NBOH's would seem to be less toxic than the NBOMe's. As in I'm not dead yet and I have experienced some intense psychedelic effects.
Highly recommended.
In fact I'm thinking of getting a second gram just because it won't be around forever and I'm using this first one up faster than expected.
Tolerance is a beast with 25b-NBOH though. I have been using it regularly with x pills and took a week off before dosing 2mg of DOC on Saturday and I didn't really trip.
So then I snorted 7mg of 25b-NBOH on Sunday and also did not really trip. That should have been an intense experience but because of tolerance wasn't.
So keep in mind that just because a gram could be reasonably seen as a thousand hits it's also not even possible to trip as often as you might like to because of tolerance. Also it WILL take more than a mg if you ever develop a tolerance like I have.
When I take 25b-NBOH without tolerance the visuals are intense. So much so that I let my buddy sniff about 4mg and he told me not to do that to people anymore because it was too intense for him. He said nothing was real anymore and had a pretty difficult experience.Yeah, I share your sentiments. It’s not going to be around so might as well grab it while you can. As you metioned above, a gram will last me quite some time so the investment is def worth it. I dunno I feel like I hit a dead end with lysergamides. I take 3 tabs of acid and barely get any visuals, it just messes with my head more than anything. I’m wondering if a phenethylamine will tap into something that its counterpart can’t.
I miss 2c-x compounds so I’m looking to forward to this one. I’ve heard various ROAs, what do you recommend?
This a great info for people all the time bullshitting about some substances with close active dose to od amount.The death from 2C-E was with around 100mgs intranasal supposedly
When I take 25b-NBOH without tolerance the visuals are intense. So much so that I let my buddy sniff about 4mg and he told me not to do that to people anymore because it was too intense for him. He said nothing was real anymore and had a pretty difficult experience.
If three hits of acid aren't doing it for you then the 25b-NBOH might not either. Tolerance is a serious problem for me with it. If I could I would probably trip daily but it seems to take at least a couple of weeks for tolerance to reset and I'm not the most patient about waiting that long.
If you're like me then just knowing that you have a stock of such a potent psychedelic will make you feel better about life in general.
About ROAs I have only tried sublingual and intranasal. I prefer intranasal but then I like to trip hard and rocket to the peak. Sublingual is a much more gradual transition. I usually hold my saliva in my mouth for about half an hour. It does numb your tongue. That's how you can easily tell if blotters are something like an NBOH instead of LSD (it will numb your tongue).
I have not tried IM or IV. I probably will try it IV at some point just because I enjoy it with tryptamines and haven't tried it with a psychedelic phenethylamine yet. You come up so fast when you snort it that I'm not sure that IV would be that much of an improvement. I'm pretty sure @deficiT said he tried it once.
I know 25i-NBOH is not very soluble in water so that could also be an issue with 25b-NBOH. I found that once when I tried to dissolve about 13mg in a few mL of water and it didn't go.
I thought it dissolved and rinsed the glass vial that I was working with and sniffed what I thought was likely to just be some residue mixed with water and I ended up tripping harder than I ever have before.
This was also in 2013 when NBOMe's were out and some people had died from it. People died on a lot less than 13mg of 25i-NBOMe so naturally I thought I was going to die. I remember when I closed my eyes I could see my cells rupturing. I was crying and saying goodbye to my family and shit.
So be careful with the dosing and always use a mg scale. I would say to dose it volumetrically if you want to be accurate. I bet it's plenty soluble in alcohol.
I've taken up to 10mg of 25b-NBOH and lived so I think it's fair to say that it's less deadly than the NBOMe series. I've also taken it several times with MDMA and I've heard that people died from NBOMes combined with MDMA. So again the NBOH would appear to be less toxic.
the problem with snorting (my favorite ROI) is that you cannot see doses that are measured in micrograms.
nbomes never should ever go in the nose,
When I take 25b-NBOH without tolerance the visuals are intense. So much so that I let my buddy sniff about 4mg and he told me not to do that to people anymore because it was too intense for him. He said nothing was real anymore and had a pretty difficult experience.
If three hits of acid aren't doing it for you then the 25b-NBOH might not either. Tolerance is a serious problem for me with it. If I could I would probably trip daily but it seems to take at least a couple of weeks for tolerance to reset and I'm not the most patient about waiting that long.
If you're like me then just knowing that you have a stock of such a potent psychedelic will make you feel better about life in general.
About ROAs I have only tried sublingual and intranasal. I prefer intranasal but then I like to trip hard and rocket to the peak. Sublingual is a much more gradual transition. I usually hold my saliva in my mouth for about half an hour. It does numb your tongue. That's how you can easily tell if blotters are something like an NBOH instead of LSD (it will numb your tongue).
I have not tried IM or IV. I probably will try it IV at some point just because I enjoy it with tryptamines and haven't tried it with a psychedelic phenethylamine yet. You come up so fast when you snort it that I'm not sure that IV would be that much of an improvement. I'm pretty sure @deficiT said he tried it once.
I know 25i-NBOH is not very soluble in water so that could also be an issue with 25b-NBOH. I found that once when I tried to dissolve about 13mg in a few mL of water and it didn't go.
I thought it dissolved and rinsed the glass vial that I was working with and sniffed what I thought was likely to just be some residue mixed with water and I ended up tripping harder than I ever have before.
This was also in 2013 when NBOMe's were out and some people had died from it. People died on a lot less than 13mg of 25i-NBOMe so naturally I thought I was going to die. I remember when I closed my eyes I could see my cells rupturing. I was crying and saying goodbye to my family and shit.
So be careful with the dosing and always use a mg scale. I would say to dose it volumetrically if you want to be accurate. I bet it's plenty soluble in alcohol.
I've taken up to 10mg of 25b-NBOH and lived so I think it's fair to say that it's less deadly than the NBOMe series. I've also taken it several times with MDMA and I've heard that people died from NBOMes combined with MDMA. So again the NBOH would appear to be less toxic.