psood0nym
Bluelighter
Getting 4-ho-DPT fumerate into solution for IMing
I believe this is the thread I said I would post back to months ago after I agreed to act on Sekio’s sage advice to just try “boiling the hell out of it” to get 4-ho-DPT fumerate in solution for IMing. It mostly worked. I could have easily got the 35mg in 2 mL but I wanted to see how far intense boiling in 90 units (0.9 ML) of sterile water and 10 units of 5% acetic acid could take it.
I put it in a tall test tube so it could boil violently without leaping out, and set the tube’s screw cap on top so that pressure could escape while confining a significant portion of the vapor to the tube. I started using my microwave’s lowest defrost setting (the tube is plastic). The longest I let it go for was 30 seconds straight. This got most of it into solution but I set it to full power to see what would happen. I boiled a little too long and, after spinning around in my living room like a lunatic with the tube at arm’s length to get the droplets condensed on the side to pool at the bottom, dumping it into a vial, and drawing the solution into a syringe, I found I had boiled off 40 units leaving 60 units 4-ho-DPT solution. I didn’t go through the work of properly quantifying what was left because I was burning daylight and had a nature-gasmic adventure in recreational drug abuse to get under way but after drying it out with a hair dryer it looked like maybe 5 mg was left. I dumped some vodka on it and swallowed it for what it was worth.
Judging by the subjective effects of the estimated 30 mg IM dose, IMing is an improvement in potency above insufflation of maybe 70 percent. Also, like DPT, the qualitative effects significantly benefit from the “hit me fast and all in one go” onset of IM administration over insufflation. I find 4-ho-DPT to have proportionally less ego dissolving and more sensuous, aesthetic-enhancing, and synaesthetic effects than DPT while maintaining some essential qualities (it’s closer to DPT than anything else, and I’ve tried over 15 5-HT psychedelics, including 4-ho-MPT, which is probably the next closest in my experience). I’ll probably use two or maybe even three 1 mL syringes next time to do a proper strong dose of 50 to 60 mg. I’m fairly confident from my 55 mg insufflated experience in the past that this dose IM’d will be enough to maximize 4-ho-DPT’s novel beneficial effects without venturing into ego death territory, which can get confusing and more difficult to integrate in a psychologically practical way (at this point of my psychedelic career I’m finding it more productive and prone to to novel discovery to push experience within dissolved but not totally “de-patterned” ego boundaries).
I believe this is the thread I said I would post back to months ago after I agreed to act on Sekio’s sage advice to just try “boiling the hell out of it” to get 4-ho-DPT fumerate in solution for IMing. It mostly worked. I could have easily got the 35mg in 2 mL but I wanted to see how far intense boiling in 90 units (0.9 ML) of sterile water and 10 units of 5% acetic acid could take it.
I put it in a tall test tube so it could boil violently without leaping out, and set the tube’s screw cap on top so that pressure could escape while confining a significant portion of the vapor to the tube. I started using my microwave’s lowest defrost setting (the tube is plastic). The longest I let it go for was 30 seconds straight. This got most of it into solution but I set it to full power to see what would happen. I boiled a little too long and, after spinning around in my living room like a lunatic with the tube at arm’s length to get the droplets condensed on the side to pool at the bottom, dumping it into a vial, and drawing the solution into a syringe, I found I had boiled off 40 units leaving 60 units 4-ho-DPT solution. I didn’t go through the work of properly quantifying what was left because I was burning daylight and had a nature-gasmic adventure in recreational drug abuse to get under way but after drying it out with a hair dryer it looked like maybe 5 mg was left. I dumped some vodka on it and swallowed it for what it was worth.
Judging by the subjective effects of the estimated 30 mg IM dose, IMing is an improvement in potency above insufflation of maybe 70 percent. Also, like DPT, the qualitative effects significantly benefit from the “hit me fast and all in one go” onset of IM administration over insufflation. I find 4-ho-DPT to have proportionally less ego dissolving and more sensuous, aesthetic-enhancing, and synaesthetic effects than DPT while maintaining some essential qualities (it’s closer to DPT than anything else, and I’ve tried over 15 5-HT psychedelics, including 4-ho-MPT, which is probably the next closest in my experience). I’ll probably use two or maybe even three 1 mL syringes next time to do a proper strong dose of 50 to 60 mg. I’m fairly confident from my 55 mg insufflated experience in the past that this dose IM’d will be enough to maximize 4-ho-DPT’s novel beneficial effects without venturing into ego death territory, which can get confusing and more difficult to integrate in a psychologically practical way (at this point of my psychedelic career I’m finding it more productive and prone to to novel discovery to push experience within dissolved but not totally “de-patterned” ego boundaries).
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