Realizations and new thougth patterns I've had on mushrooms, LSD, 2ce and unknown DOx has decreased my anxiety/depression (even if it was slightly increased during the trip at certain points). The aftereffects and integrating the trip into my life have always made me a more balanced person. Mushrooms has the best effect, they make me see the good side of everything on the comedown and I integrate that part into my life the most. It also happens with MDMA, but I've only had positive aftereffects from that once or twice and it was for a week or so, it seems its beneficial use is limited when it's used in a purely recreational context while the setting I use psychedelics in is more aimed towards a beneficial healing experience where I'm mostly by myself or with one other person and have time to think/analyze things. Alot of MDMA is cut with meth too, something known to induce anxiety/depression. But the truth is any of those could make your condition worse depending on how you handle the trip. So its murky waters, the best thing to really do is get CBT until you are sure of your ability to handle intense psychedelic experience on your own (wouldn't it be nice if therapists were allowed to use psychedelics in their practice)
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The best psychedelic to "reset" your brain - breaking through anxiety, etc.
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I agree.
Anon Mouse What sort of medication are you on?
You shouldn't be using psychedelics or drugs if you are on certain medications and have a major mental illness and anxiety. Psychedelics are not going to help.
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Medications generally are drugs man...
I have had utterly shocking anxiety in the past, enough to be classified as disabled.
Psychedelics are helpful- if you are prepared to let go of all semblance of control- if not, the after effect could be worse. I would suggest DMT, salvia, LSD or ayahuasca. Fact is all these could spin you into a worse place though, especially the first 2 I mentioned.
The best techniques are quite similar to psychedelia: for me, I cured my anxiety (literally cured- I have no more then avaerage to below average levels now) by facing it through thought, meditation as well as manifestation of negative energy. Its a lot easier to impose your will on a feeling when you can see it, name it and completely subjugate it. Chaos magick
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Consistent mindful intention is the only thing I know that will work. Sometimes psychedelics seem to be helpful for this and other times they definitely are not. When they have been helpful in my life for these types of issues it's because of the work I did prior to the experience.
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That was funny as hell. Watch this people seriously.
anonymous_mouse
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Hmm....
I don't necessarily agree that psychedelics would make things worse or not help at all. A lot of my trips HAVE helped me. Some have made things worse. I find that when I set an intention for the trip it always turns out that I feel better afterwards. The intention I usually set is basically "I come here with humility and respect, and I wish to learn from your wisdom."... sometimes I write long letters explaining the problem, and describing my intention for working through it.
I want to keep doing that, but I think I want a more intense trip - so far I have not had trips that made me "kill my ego". I've never been able to stop thinking in words, and have never gone out of this reality (maybe once - when I k-holed for a second).
I did find ketamine helpful at first, but I feel that it's a very shallow "psychedelic", and I've learned all I can from it. The best thing it taught me was logic, but it also made the world seem cold and blank. I want to see MORE of the universe, not less.
So far, mushrooms seem to be the most effective teacher. I actually set up an "appointment" for a special mushroom journey soon - a very high dose trip that will be enough to suppress my ego and allow me to experience my higher self fully. (Yes, I will have a sitter, two of them, and it'll be in a very safe environment).
I wonder if anyone else has taken mushrooms for a similar purpose with a similarly high dose? (7 grams). I would like to know more about your experience and especially if it has helped you work through fear.
I don't necessarily agree that psychedelics would make things worse or not help at all. A lot of my trips HAVE helped me. Some have made things worse. I find that when I set an intention for the trip it always turns out that I feel better afterwards. The intention I usually set is basically "I come here with humility and respect, and I wish to learn from your wisdom."... sometimes I write long letters explaining the problem, and describing my intention for working through it.
I want to keep doing that, but I think I want a more intense trip - so far I have not had trips that made me "kill my ego". I've never been able to stop thinking in words, and have never gone out of this reality (maybe once - when I k-holed for a second).
I did find ketamine helpful at first, but I feel that it's a very shallow "psychedelic", and I've learned all I can from it. The best thing it taught me was logic, but it also made the world seem cold and blank. I want to see MORE of the universe, not less.
So far, mushrooms seem to be the most effective teacher. I actually set up an "appointment" for a special mushroom journey soon - a very high dose trip that will be enough to suppress my ego and allow me to experience my higher self fully. (Yes, I will have a sitter, two of them, and it'll be in a very safe environment).
I wonder if anyone else has taken mushrooms for a similar purpose with a similarly high dose? (7 grams). I would like to know more about your experience and especially if it has helped you work through fear.
anonymous_mouse
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Oh, I am on two medications for bipolar/anxiety: abilify and lamotrigine.
I don't agree that I shouldn't trip when I need to be on meds. I feel that, other than the anxiety, my mind is very strong. I have never been psychotic, and I never have delusions (sometimes I make up scenarios of problems that don't yet exist, but that's a different thing). Basically, I feel that I am able to handle psychedelics, although that's not to say that I don't get uncomfortable or afraid. The things I am learning are worth so much, I'm not going to stay away from psychedelics.
I don't agree that I shouldn't trip when I need to be on meds. I feel that, other than the anxiety, my mind is very strong. I have never been psychotic, and I never have delusions (sometimes I make up scenarios of problems that don't yet exist, but that's a different thing). Basically, I feel that I am able to handle psychedelics, although that's not to say that I don't get uncomfortable or afraid. The things I am learning are worth so much, I'm not going to stay away from psychedelics.
medical_meccanica
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I think it's great that you're taking such an interested in improving your own internal well-being! Just be careful with your mentality as you try to do this. In my experience I don't think it's possible at all to 'reset' your mind. It sounds like you want to eradicate effects that past experiences have had on your calmness and you think you can destroy your ego and rebuild it without including these effects. Ego death can be a liberating way of gaining new perspective, but we need our ego to function as humans and inevitably (and fortunately!) yours will come back after using any drug. Unless you consider and come to terms with what is making you anxious consciously then the same past experiences and memories will be there somewhere and will either make you anxious again or manifest themselves in different ways.
I can really relate to your goal! I just don't think that (without brain damage) you can delete parts of your mind.
RhythmSpring
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^ Yes.
Do not seek to destroy or eliminate aspects of yourself. Accept ALL. Assimilate ALL Into your being. Accept everything, past and present as part of you, while trusting that you are inherently good. Suppressing fear just makes it worse.
Accept it and move on with your life. Be aware of it.
Transmute fear into vulnerability into openness into connectedness.
Do not seek to destroy or eliminate aspects of yourself. Accept ALL. Assimilate ALL Into your being. Accept everything, past and present as part of you, while trusting that you are inherently good. Suppressing fear just makes it worse.
Accept it and move on with your life. Be aware of it.
Transmute fear into vulnerability into openness into connectedness.
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I did Ayahuasca five times and I can say im much better now than before I went, I cant really say how I just feel better and different. I now know I didnt stay long enough, so if I was you and I had the cash to go I would go for a month at least. I'm almost convinced that the mental/ spiritual aspect is what cuases the physical or physiological problems. I can't explain how ayahuasca and sanango helped my lower back but fuck hey they feel better and my metal state is more positive....a warning though Ayahuasca is a lot of painfull hard work but with a good reward.
M.M is also right you must deal with your inner self not try to destroy it with drugs IT WILL resurface my problems did Ayahuasca only helped me sort things out and see tings from a different angle
this is where I went, they're a good bunch of people man
http://infinitelightperu.com/
oh and P.M me if you want to talk
M.M is also right you must deal with your inner self not try to destroy it with drugs IT WILL resurface my problems did Ayahuasca only helped me sort things out and see tings from a different angle
this is where I went, they're a good bunch of people man
http://infinitelightperu.com/
oh and P.M me if you want to talk
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technically, your bipolar meds are already 'reformatting' your brain, and abilify will block the effects of psychedelics you try to take.
how do you feel without the meds? why did your doc put you on the meds in the first place?
Yes, it can make it mind over matter. LSD is amazing.
But it's important for people to avoid the dangerous food additives like MSG which is in everything processed/fast food restarraunt. That stuff makes you hungry and overeat and causes obesity.
I think psychedelics can only do so much, a person needs to want to change and you are what you eat.
MescalitoBandito
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If you do it, make sure it's with someone else you can talk to, someone you really trust. A background in Freud can really help; if you can discover the source of your anxiety then often you can negate it. My choice would be mescaline. I had a very difficult solo experience on it (extremely high dose) which was terrifying during the trip but rebuild me into a reborn human being, much more aware of myself and my actions and connections with others.
anonymous_mouse
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So what I did was mushrooms. Two and a half eighths (7.5 grams)
I feel like it was both productive and unproductive.
I definitely discovered the root of my fear (the question of existence, why things happen the way they do, the limitless possibilities of the universe and how chaotic it all is).
I could do nothing about it. There was no breakthrough, no transformation from fear into peace. I tripped for about ten hours (yes, really) and then fell asleep. I'm not sure if I feel the same amount of anxiety as I did before, maybe a little less. Getting to the root of my fear was both disappointing and relieving... disappointing because I found no way out and it brought up a lot of hopelessness, but also a relief because now I don't have to wonder why I feel the way I do.
I'm considering tripping again, because I know I can handle it (meaning that it doesn't drive me insane - when I come down I'm fully functional and can communicate as normal, etc.) I'm not sure why I want to torture myself like this, but breaking through the fear is so important to me that I'm willing to go through it.
But maybe mushrooms can only take me so far. Maybe ayahuasca or mescaline would be a better choice to give me another perspective. I'm not sure yet. It's only been two days, so I have to think on it for a while.
Greenmeanies: I feel extreme panic without meds, but part of that I think is also withdrawal from the medication itself. I was put on the meds for bipolar disorder, but I very much disagree that I'm bipolar. I don't have mood swings. I have just plain anxiety. For some reason, meds for bipolar help my anxiety a lot.
I feel like it was both productive and unproductive.
I definitely discovered the root of my fear (the question of existence, why things happen the way they do, the limitless possibilities of the universe and how chaotic it all is).
I could do nothing about it. There was no breakthrough, no transformation from fear into peace. I tripped for about ten hours (yes, really) and then fell asleep. I'm not sure if I feel the same amount of anxiety as I did before, maybe a little less. Getting to the root of my fear was both disappointing and relieving... disappointing because I found no way out and it brought up a lot of hopelessness, but also a relief because now I don't have to wonder why I feel the way I do.
I'm considering tripping again, because I know I can handle it (meaning that it doesn't drive me insane - when I come down I'm fully functional and can communicate as normal, etc.) I'm not sure why I want to torture myself like this, but breaking through the fear is so important to me that I'm willing to go through it.
But maybe mushrooms can only take me so far. Maybe ayahuasca or mescaline would be a better choice to give me another perspective. I'm not sure yet. It's only been two days, so I have to think on it for a while.
Greenmeanies: I feel extreme panic without meds, but part of that I think is also withdrawal from the medication itself. I was put on the meds for bipolar disorder, but I very much disagree that I'm bipolar. I don't have mood swings. I have just plain anxiety. For some reason, meds for bipolar help my anxiety a lot.
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Hey!
I'm probably pretty much in the same situation as you. Been for a long time now, actually. But I've found a possible cure, I believe.
As someone already mentioned in the thread - "consistent mindful intention". I think what he meant by that, is the same thing Buddha, Jesus and other enlightened beings were and still are trying to teach others (It has nothing to do with religion, nor faith).
I suggest you to check out these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miEpngZshDw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scj4hJuKhI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uk_AO8Vgr0
And if you find them interesting, you should try to get a hold of a book "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle.
At first, when I read this book, I was also just introducing myself to meditation and combining them both really had a positive effect on me. But unmotivated as I am, I stopped practicing after some time and kinda fell into the same situation once again.
I am now really considering becoming a Buddhist monk, which would in a sense force me to practice mindfulness a lot again. And I'm hoping the change of environment (to a more disciplined one) would motivate me, cause I really want to "get better" eventually.
I'm telling you all this, cause it's not only about understanding the mental concepts of these "teachings" (which at first can be very helpful by even just understanding them), but much more about how much one is willing to practice not letting himself slip back to his "old self".
I'm probably pretty much in the same situation as you. Been for a long time now, actually. But I've found a possible cure, I believe.
As someone already mentioned in the thread - "consistent mindful intention". I think what he meant by that, is the same thing Buddha, Jesus and other enlightened beings were and still are trying to teach others (It has nothing to do with religion, nor faith).
I suggest you to check out these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miEpngZshDw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scj4hJuKhI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uk_AO8Vgr0
And if you find them interesting, you should try to get a hold of a book "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle.
At first, when I read this book, I was also just introducing myself to meditation and combining them both really had a positive effect on me. But unmotivated as I am, I stopped practicing after some time and kinda fell into the same situation once again.
I am now really considering becoming a Buddhist monk, which would in a sense force me to practice mindfulness a lot again. And I'm hoping the change of environment (to a more disciplined one) would motivate me, cause I really want to "get better" eventually.
I'm telling you all this, cause it's not only about understanding the mental concepts of these "teachings" (which at first can be very helpful by even just understanding them), but much more about how much one is willing to practice not letting himself slip back to his "old self".
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