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The Benzodiazepine Thread v. IV
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tallboy31
Greenlighter
I appreciate your advice. Thats probably the only thing I can do is to goto a different doctor and get re evaluated. Im lucky that I am not so dependant on the valium as I was. I can go without it if I need to but for over 4 years now they just write scripts and I get my daily dose of methadone and valium etc. I was on ALOT of stuff before. It takes alot of will power to keep from doctor shopping etc, and thats one reason I hate going to other doctors because I dont want that cycle to start all over again. The beauty of being on the program ( through a govt run clinic) is they control everything really tightly. But on the other hand since I am getting down to a low dose and eventually getting off the program all together I am really worried the temptation to get hooked on pills and stuff will happen again.
Anyway thanks for listening.
Anyway thanks for listening.
tallboy31
Greenlighter
argh, this thing is annoying, i thought my previous post wasnt put up so i had to retype it all. sorry for that
psytaco
Bluelighter
Bit worried.
I've had a script for 5mg Valium and was given 40. At the beginning I used 10-15mg for the first week but have been having days off. So for the last week I probably have one day of 5-10mg and then a day off. I am almost out, and am a bit worried I may have gotten myself addicted again( I have had a habit twice before although at much higher dosages).
What do you think the chances are of developing a physical addiction this time. I thought I have been sensible with the days off and low doses but I am still a bit worried that I will get physical withdrawals. If I did they shouldn't be too bad right?
My dosage has been prob 5-10mg maybe four times a week for the last week or so with slightly higher use earlier on. This has been for almost four weeks
I've had a script for 5mg Valium and was given 40. At the beginning I used 10-15mg for the first week but have been having days off. So for the last week I probably have one day of 5-10mg and then a day off. I am almost out, and am a bit worried I may have gotten myself addicted again( I have had a habit twice before although at much higher dosages).
What do you think the chances are of developing a physical addiction this time. I thought I have been sensible with the days off and low doses but I am still a bit worried that I will get physical withdrawals. If I did they shouldn't be too bad right?
My dosage has been prob 5-10mg maybe four times a week for the last week or so with slightly higher use earlier on. This has been for almost four weeks
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Ex-Bluelighter
so its been only 40 x 5mg pills over the period of a month? i think you are probably on the way to addiction again but i doubt you will have any physical withdrawal effects should cease use you tomorrow, (might be a different if it were alprazolam) you may well have some mental unease though. i wouldnt be worried about seizure but id be expecting some anxiety.
hope your good!
hope your good!
It shouldn't be too bad, but be careful. Your body takes two years to recovery and it NEVER gets rid of the memory factor. As an ex benzo addict your body will become addict again in a very short time. One use and you'll have some discomfort. Carry on and you have the full withdrawal effects within a week or so.
tallboy31
Greenlighter
You will find that it is mostly it isnt a physical dependance especially after a short time. I have been taking benzo's all my life but in the last 5 years i have tried to slowly get off the stuff but I know that I am probably going to need some for a long time yet. It is always about just how much will power you have over it. Temptation to go nuts on benzos is something I haveto watch out for..
psytaco
Bluelighter
I think I was alright. Last week I didn't have any Valium from Sunday through to Friday evening (and it was only 5mg). I don't think I had any withdrawal, although I did feel a bit shitty and anxious in the later part of the week but it came and went. It didn't feel like benzo withdrawal ie. shakes and nausea.
How long does it normally take for low dose withdrawal to occur? In the past I have noticed withdrawal within a day or two. However that was from higher dosages and daily use.
I would like to be able to keep taking it. Honestly, using it a few times a week at therapeutic doses makes my quality of life so much better. However, I know first hand how bad withdrawal can be.
This is kind of a difficult question, but what would roughly the maximum you take therapeutic doses a week without becoming physically dependent?
Hektissity
Bluelighter
How long should I wait after taking Valium before taking a high dose of codeine? Or vice versa
Chloralhyrate
Greenlighter
Just for the record, Alprazolam has no therapeutic use at all and any doctor that prescribes these for anxiety doesnt really give a shit about your health.
I have taken benzos recreationally now for 15 years and find them to be a very useful subtance for all sorts of reasons. I am not saying that alpraz does not hel anxiety I am saying that its use for long term anxiety disorders is not best practice and certainly are not meant to be taken daily. Shore, have a 2mg brick for a panick attack or a speech in front of 1000 people or have a bar after a big night on the amphetamines or a brick to get rid of paranoia associated with cannabis use but daily anxiety......................whatever. I am sick of going to a GP to get knocked back because every man and their dog are on Xanax.
Whatever happened to a good ole serapax or even better diaz injections. Moggies for a good night sleep or Halcion for that plane trip. Bring back the old school benzos I say. Xanax has just caused a whole lot of grief and incarceration due to its very low blackout threshold.
I have taken benzos recreationally now for 15 years and find them to be a very useful subtance for all sorts of reasons. I am not saying that alpraz does not hel anxiety I am saying that its use for long term anxiety disorders is not best practice and certainly are not meant to be taken daily. Shore, have a 2mg brick for a panick attack or a speech in front of 1000 people or have a bar after a big night on the amphetamines or a brick to get rid of paranoia associated with cannabis use but daily anxiety......................whatever. I am sick of going to a GP to get knocked back because every man and their dog are on Xanax.
Whatever happened to a good ole serapax or even better diaz injections. Moggies for a good night sleep or Halcion for that plane trip. Bring back the old school benzos I say. Xanax has just caused a whole lot of grief and incarceration due to its very low blackout threshold.
drug_mentor
Bluelight Crew
^ Your post is contradictory, you open by saying alrazolam has NO therapeutic use at all, then you go on to pretty much admit that it does in certain situations. I agree with you that it is overprescribed for long term use, but benzo's on the whole I believe are underprescribed to those suffering from anxiety disorders in favour of SSRI's and other bullshit (not saying they work for nobody but for me they don't work as well as benzo's!) and trying to demonise alprazolam will only contribute to this problem.
Chloralhyrate
Greenlighter
My post stated that xanax has no therapeutic benefit for the treatment of anxiety disorders as its effects wear off within a week of daily use and actually cause rebound anxiety.
drug_mentor
Bluelight Crew
Your exact quote is " Just for the record, Alprazolam has no therapeutic use at all and any doctor that prescribes these for anxiety doesnt really give a shit about your health." That is a pretty blanket statement, you do specify that doctors who prescribe it for anxiety aren't doing you a favour but when you say no therapeutic use AT ALL there is honestly only one way to interpret that.
Chloralhyrate
Greenlighter
Sorry perhaps I should have said no long term therapeutic use for anxiety. Sorry I was at work and busy and I have a life.
drug_mentor
Bluelight Crew
Everyone has a life mate, I was just pointing out your post contradicted itself, before you came back in defense of it perhaps you should of reread it. I do plenty of BLing while working or otherwise maintaining a life, I still don't post up ridiculous contradictions which I later blindly defend.
Chloralhyrate
Greenlighter
Chill out dude. Very highly strung. Find me strong evidence of the benefits of alpraz use for long term anxiety treatment and I will concede.
drug_mentor
Bluelight Crew
I am having an incredibly stressful week and just don't appreciate you insinuating I must not have a life simply because I corrected your mistake.
I really don't feel too inclined to find evidence for you, I am actually working at the minute and I think the fact that alprazolam has some therapeutic value in a number of settings is well documented enough that I don't need to be your errand boy in linking studies. I don't really care if you concede or not, but to say it has no therapeutic value is just wrong, I have personally found therapeutic value in alprazolam for short term anxiety relief, so even without studies that unequivocally tells me there IS therapeutic value. You are conveniently now making it about long term anxiety treatment, but you originally said it had no value for anything. Personally, I still believe it is useful in the long term so long as it is not used daily, I find as much therapeutic value today from alprazolam as I did the very first time I took it atleast 8 years ago, I would class that as long term anxiety treatment even though I wasn't using alprazolam particularly heavily for much of that time.
I actually don't disgaree that alprazolam should not be prescribed for daily long term treatment of anxiety, or long term daily use for much else (if anything) for that matter, but that is not actually what you originally said.
You are entitled to your opinion but when you say two contradictory things in a single paragraph it is very hard to interpret what your opinion actually is.
I really don't feel too inclined to find evidence for you, I am actually working at the minute and I think the fact that alprazolam has some therapeutic value in a number of settings is well documented enough that I don't need to be your errand boy in linking studies. I don't really care if you concede or not, but to say it has no therapeutic value is just wrong, I have personally found therapeutic value in alprazolam for short term anxiety relief, so even without studies that unequivocally tells me there IS therapeutic value. You are conveniently now making it about long term anxiety treatment, but you originally said it had no value for anything. Personally, I still believe it is useful in the long term so long as it is not used daily, I find as much therapeutic value today from alprazolam as I did the very first time I took it atleast 8 years ago, I would class that as long term anxiety treatment even though I wasn't using alprazolam particularly heavily for much of that time.
I actually don't disgaree that alprazolam should not be prescribed for daily long term treatment of anxiety, or long term daily use for much else (if anything) for that matter, but that is not actually what you originally said.
You are entitled to your opinion but when you say two contradictory things in a single paragraph it is very hard to interpret what your opinion actually is.
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the red shark
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Xanax to Valium thanks for nothing
It seems everyone I know who was prescribed Xanax has been switched to Ativan or Valium. I wish Ativan was PBS scheduled cos it's not subsidised at all it's <snip> for 50 tabs. I'm n 4 Valium a day. It's like taking paracetamol for back pain that warrants tramadol or codeine in the very least. Going to rehab for Xanax is the worst decision. Have made in my entire life and I have made some fukt up choices. Valium slightly takes the edge off but realistically does uk all. I hope with enough persistence I can be put on clonazepam.with a 25hour half life I would need 1 tab a dy. much better than taking 4 on the liver. I have become so reclusive nothin all treated my anxiety better than Xanax I tapered myself down from 12mg to 6mg a day you can control it, but all the a users have fukt it for the rest of us. I will hate what not taking Xanax has done to me. I'm not insecure at all, but lack the confidence I used to have and have no desire to socialise at all. Catch up with a cpl friends both of whom were taken off Xanax too, but my anxiety was he worst of my friends. The only reason I see them is to keep my stepmum off my back about being lazy. It's not lazy it's social fucking phobia and Valium doesn't cut it at all wish I could afford the Ativan the 2.5mg I can actually notice my nicety is at a reduced level. Once you have a tolerance you can slam 10-20 Valium and still feel anxious and you haven't even wasted the jar cos it's too fucking weak to begin with. Some days I take 2 others 4 but if I could stay in my room and not have to see anyone ever my life would be a lot easier. M parents are happy I went to rehab to quit the Xanax only good thing about it. They don't understand they can't know how much harder it makes every day without the adequate treatment for my illness.
It seems everyone I know who was prescribed Xanax has been switched to Ativan or Valium. I wish Ativan was PBS scheduled cos it's not subsidised at all it's <snip> for 50 tabs. I'm n 4 Valium a day. It's like taking paracetamol for back pain that warrants tramadol or codeine in the very least. Going to rehab for Xanax is the worst decision. Have made in my entire life and I have made some fukt up choices. Valium slightly takes the edge off but realistically does uk all. I hope with enough persistence I can be put on clonazepam.with a 25hour half life I would need 1 tab a dy. much better than taking 4 on the liver. I have become so reclusive nothin all treated my anxiety better than Xanax I tapered myself down from 12mg to 6mg a day you can control it, but all the a users have fukt it for the rest of us. I will hate what not taking Xanax has done to me. I'm not insecure at all, but lack the confidence I used to have and have no desire to socialise at all. Catch up with a cpl friends both of whom were taken off Xanax too, but my anxiety was he worst of my friends. The only reason I see them is to keep my stepmum off my back about being lazy. It's not lazy it's social fucking phobia and Valium doesn't cut it at all wish I could afford the Ativan the 2.5mg I can actually notice my nicety is at a reduced level. Once you have a tolerance you can slam 10-20 Valium and still feel anxious and you haven't even wasted the jar cos it's too fucking weak to begin with. Some days I take 2 others 4 but if I could stay in my room and not have to see anyone ever my life would be a lot easier. M parents are happy I went to rehab to quit the Xanax only good thing about it. They don't understand they can't know how much harder it makes every day without the adequate treatment for my illness.
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