Lorazepam, diazepam, and others such as temazepam and triazolam can cause random/opposite-from-its-intended effects like this, which are not intended. This would be known as a paradoxical reaction.
yeah i heard that about Triazolam and it being one of the most prominent ones that several countries limit, or have outright banned it's use outright, but wasn't aware of the others. I don't think i've ever had an adverse, or unintended reaction to any benzo so far....
The only benzodiazepine that doesn't interrupt REM sleep is temazepam.
I wouldn't take benzos every day, and especially not that dosage of them, unless you wouldn't mind being physically dependent on them.
Interesting that temaze is the only benzo that doesn't effect REM sleep. Amazing actually. I was speaking to a pharmacist about triazolam and he mentioned there was a melatonin tablet based sleeper newish to the market. I wonder if a hypnotic combined with melatonin would be beneficial in terms of minimizing the effects benzodiazapines have on REM sleep, and if there are any classic infamous barbiturates that are superior to 'any' sleeping pill on the market? hmmmm Have you ever tried Quazepam CH? the wiki artical is quite intersting. it says it's a unique benzo in terms of its action on the type1 benzodiazepine receptors which results in reduced sleep latency in promotion of sleep. It goes on to mention stuff about Quazepam having potent sleep inducing and sleep maintaining properties, including resembling normal sleeping patterns, promotes slow wave sleep and sleep architecture that no other benzo possess. Yeah so i'll have to find out if they script this stuff in my country.
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My gp said of Flunitrazepam; "That it was a great drug" he reflected.... "But it was essentially ruined by the manner in which it was abused in" After my suggestion i made the point that it was only found in between 0.33% to 1% in some collective record of date rape reports theses days. I didn't want to push him, but he obviously didn't get my point. I'd actually be on less benzodiazepines and reducing each week had he really understood where i was coming from. now i guess i will have to tell him to jack up my low dose of triazolam so it can work.
You have no choice to be physically dependent on them, just like a lot of things. The dose is high and it's around the 4th month mark, i know i need to get off them. Won't be long before i can say i can defiantly get off them, but for now the last thing i need is to WD from another drug(s)
Triazolam is the most potent benzo there is for human consumption (although, it seems like brotizolam may be more potent but we need more data to prove it). Triazolam is 2x more potent than clonazepam (0.25 mg triazolam = 0.5 mg clonazepam). If you can take 7 mg of clonazepam at once and be okay, I'd suggest you cut that dose in half for triazolam and then cut it some more because triazolam is an hypnotic agent, whereas clonazepam is not. What this means is that triazolam has stronger effects, especially sedative effects. I normally would never recommend such a dose, but since you have such a massive tolerance, I recommend you start off with 1 mg triazolam and wait for about 30 minutes to see what happens. If nothing happens, take another dose (0.5-1 mg) and that should get you to sleep.
No triazolam is NOT water soluble.
The only benzos that are water soluble are flurazepam, midazolam, and loprazolam (not lorazepam).
Thanks for the info mate. at the moment my weekly triazolam script is a whopping 1.25mg
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if anyone could tell by my post i had decided to eat 3 .125mg triazolam tablets. So i had .375mg and was a nice subtle very obscured feeling, but also a feel of relief that i was able to feel something other than clonazepam. My girlfriend(ithink) came around for dinner the next night so i saved 4 for me and 3 for her.... I felt the same but she felt it more than me, although she uses benzo's she has a once a week tolerance to diazepam. In exactly 2 days time i will have picked up my 10 tablets and will dose 1.2mg of triazolam at night, dosing 4 or 5mg of clonaz on that morning. Sounds like a plan man
A locum gave me a 10mg IM shot of diazepam in the bicep
never again. I guess i'll have to wait to when i have something crazy done on my teeth, or while i'm in a private hospital bed
I've always had a phobia as a kid going to the dentist. i got over that..... maybe, but i haven't been 4 four years and i'm booked in near the start of Avril
also agree with clonazepam having some sort of ceiling effect
50 mg of klonopin>? thats alot did i mis read>?a day> srry i can only take 3 -5 mg of clon than my motor skills get weird i take xanax and klonopin im out till tomorrow or latest monday my dr outta town till monday but well see so my buddy gave me lithium and oxazepam horrible im a lil relaxed but not my 3 mg klon and 2 mg xanax daily but ill atleast sleep tonight yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa maybe ill smoke and feeell gooooooddddddddd ................................peace my brudaaaassssssss be safe and were gonna milk these benzos outtta my doc she stopped me off sub i been on for 4 years so she knows i was hurtin but the benzos help me soooo muchhhh im normal again but i dont wanna have another wdrawl from benzos after i wd from .5 mg suboxone its horridsddd sub will hurt even down that low
Did you mean 50mg of Clonaz a day? if you did then you misread me. I'm taking 50mg a week, but i always usually give anywhere between 6 to 14mgs away each week too.
Yeah WDíng from buperenorphine sucks.... even when you think you've prepared yourself by tapering really low and statically using other opiates or benzos, it's always enduring and insidious,.... i'm going to beat it next time
Temazepam maybe? Has anxiolytic & hypnotic properties. However if you're taking 7! mg of clonazepam you may need an obscene amount of temazepam.
Lorazepam maybe? Similar dosages, like mg for mg plus i find lorazepam nicely sedating in the higher dose range.
Why dont you want to go back to diazepam if you don't mind my asking? It's generally considered the best all rounder.
yeah even before i evert started taking clonazepam i was on benzo's for 2 weeks, just diazepam and xannax, and then got scripted 25 x 10mg Temaze and when i got home i took 12 and waited a bit. after an hour i just thought what the hell and took the other 13 and it was barely recreational. Temaze was my first benzo/hypnotic love, but i fear if i take it now it wont do anything, and you're right, it would have to be an obscene amount of temazepam... like take 15 to 20 tablets at night lol
I was going to add that i'd not want oxazepam or lorazepam, mainly because i've tried the former extencivly and i've only had the latter a few times and all the times i've had lorazepam i either haven't noticed, fallen asleep or couldn't remember lol. I've read some quotes on here that lorazepam is the 'least' euphoric benzo a number of times, but that doesn't put me off it. It is a decent amount more expensive than clonazepam, but thats not whats going to make my mind up. Too tired and about to go to bed n normally i'd look it up, but Lorazepam has a HL of 7 hours?? it a lil bit less? that would be my biggest concern the HL. the ideal factor is the strength of both benzo's. And if it is sedating in higher doses then it would work but i'm not sure if it would hold me for 24 hour dosing... i'd have to give it a try.
I don't want to fall back to diazepam, simply because it's always there. it's not going anywhere. it's the jack of all trades and the first line of a myriad of indications. There's no exotic aura about diazepam even though it's so good, and from my experience it's exactly how you described it and its up there with my favorite benzo's. Not on the boards here, but from what i've seen in day to day life... people underrate diazepam.... I mean if i really wanted to go to bed and had a choice of 1 5mg diazepam or 1 7.5mg Zopiclone to take to sleep, then i'd go the valium every time... i'm really interested in Quazepam, but i doubt it is even on the market here
