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The 6-APB thread

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psood0nym said:
Clearly desperate people will, in fact, pay as much for a legal drug as an illegal one. But if you're one of them before you do again ask what your integrity as a consumer is worth, because paying this much is like paying a hooker with leprosy $1,000 to kick you in the balls and steal your wallet.
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That's a great analogy :) although i know a lot of people for work reasons cannot risk taking illegal ones because of random drug tests so they would pay more than what they would pay for illegal ones. Whether or not this substance will give a positive result for mda/mdma is another question which i have not yet found an answer to.

The doses per pellet aren't all that strong great compared to the samples - i would guess ~30mg per pellet. Selling it in powder form would be dangerous in the current RC climate for people abusing stimulant RCs there are a lot of idiots out there. All the fake capsules & powders that are being sold are proof of this where people were taking what would be potentially dangerous doses i.e 600mg+ of an unknown substance.

Don't forget the CIA killed someone using a dose less than that (although it was an IV'd dose) of MDA :-

"There was one case in 1953, involving MDA and a psychiatric patient that proved fatal. The army had contracted with several physicians at the New York State Psychiatric Institute to explore new chemicals from the Edgewood Arsenal and one of these, with a chemical warfare code number of EA-1298, was MDA. The last and lethal injection was an intravenous dose of 500 milligrams."
 
I agree with your central point. Despite the fact that I personally would prefer pure 6-APB powder to the pellets, when I consider the intuitive judgment of the whole population of users, pellets are far safer; it's much easier to assume "start with one pellet" than it is to make a sound judgment by looking up widely varying dosages online and adhering to conservative recommendations.

However, I'd still like to see the average full dose sell for 50 percent of what it's being sold at now.
 
psood0nym said:
However, I'd still like to see the average full dose sell for 50 percent of what it's being sold at now.
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Even 50% is too much, IMO.

MDMA costs £35-£50 a gram whereas this is £86/g. Cut it down to £30-£35 and it will be worth it.

I don't think the price of aMT is too bad in the UK, a moderate dose (60mg+) costs about £5. Cheaper would be nicer, but it isn't the most badly-priced drug.
 
This is my first time posting one of these, if its in the wrong place please feel free to move it.

Background -

Used to be a regular MDMA user back in 2005, have not taken anything resembling narcotic since 2008.

t - 1 hour: light tingling, sense that something is in the works

t- 2hours: coming up a treat! The feeling is not as strong as MDMA, but near as to. No rushes.

t-3 hours - still yet to reach its peak, gurning like a trooper though!

t-3.30 hours - nice warm plateau, cigarettes are pleasurable as is to be expected.

t-4 hours - took a nice stroll down to the shops, no issues, feel entirely functional. Upon return starting to sweat bullets though!

t-4.30 odd, it feels like almost a second wave of euphoria building.

t-5 on an even keel now, its down the slope from here.

t-7 hours : still feel amped, but in terms of euphoria back to baseline.

All in all a good experience, would definately do again. For Clarity I researched the 6-APB pellets.
 
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So aftermath... lower back is tense and sore as buggery, never experienced that on MDxx before. Also really struggling to keep hydrated, seem to piss out a pint as quick as I can drink one!

Off to get some electrolyte type drink.

Would it be safe to take a Ibruprofen or two to relieve back ache?
 
Just thought id report back in here after several weeks experience with 6-apb (or whatever it is in the pellets). My opinion is largely the same as in my initial honeymoon with them: i love the effect of this stuff - it's really my cup of tea. YMMV- To me it feels most similar to old pills from the 90s (mainly the ones which had mda in); this says nothing about relative potency, just the general gestalt i got (maybe im delusional or something, and i am an optimist...). It definitely has a different feeling to actual MDA (and MDMA) - maybe slightly more clear-headed; but to me it's absolutely in the same ball park YMMV. I really like the long effect profile (some people dont) - i always account for 12 hours before i'll even think about sleeping. After a short dalliance with meph, i certainly appreciate not having to stuff more up me nose evry three hours. Even though the 'peak' is only in the first half of the effect, i still really like the stimulation of the afterglow and never feel compelled to redose; i find it really good to get creative work done (other people seem to not like this bit - i think maybe you just cant treat this like a quick few hours meph or coke sesh; for me it needs the whole 12 hours at least).

Saying that, i couldn't vouch for the actual quantity of 6-APB in each pellet. All my fatties from batch 1 hit me lovely everytime (as long as i crushed them); the slimmies from batch 2 do feel different (maybe cleaner?) but so far they seem to a little less potent than batch 1. Whether this is just me using up my brain juice i don't know. In general ive found that 1 pellet is a nice hit for me and feels together for social situations and chatting; ive found that i need 1.5 or more initial dose to get the full on eye wobble rushy stretchy stuff (so really for me it's ~1.5 pellets <=~=> 1 ye olde pille)

Yeah the price is shit, but on the other hand i took one pellet last night and was busy on the computer music for a solid 12 hours (and after a few hours doze, another 6 hours in the day) - for £8.50. To match that time on mdma, i'd need more cash than that (0.25 g, if not more). I find it easy to end up re-dosing on this stuff (not cos i need to, but cos it's so nice), but i stopped myself last night and was surprised at how long the single pellet lasted me. YMMV YMMV YMMV YMMV YMMV YMMV YMMV

I know plenty of people on here have had not so positive experiences, and i don't doubt their honesty for a second; but this is honestly what i think of this stuff (and everyone ive met in real life who've had em thinks basically the same too). Saying that, i'm quite happy to let the general online message to be 'it's not that great' so that maybe the price drops, and/or we get to keep it for longer before its b4nned (im only posting this now cos i'm offit - ill prolly edit it down tommorow)
 
does anybody know how potent this next batch of pellets might be? did they send out samples?, ive noticed they've sold out already...shit load of hype over this one atm
 
Some well thought comments out on that News of the World article. But the article is an absolute shocker :lol:
 
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Well if rumors are to be believed, the price is coming down shortly due to new competition getting ahold of the pure powder but there is no reliable data on this company at this time...


Either way, I have no desire to ever try this stuff. It sounds quite toxic even when its pure.
 
DwayneHoover said:
Actually I think BL, ostensibly a "harm reduction" site contributes to the harm... all can read the "got off so good" reports, creating a demand, but no one is allowed to name or even hint at the identity of unscrupulous vendors selling crap, or even identify product brand names that are bad... no one knows what they are, resulting in everyone buying junk.
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It's not bluelights fault that vendors sell random shit and label it as something else.. it's not bluelights fault that people are willing to take random shit..

You can't (read SHOULDN'T) censor knowedge.
 
Just a quick note to add that My Partner and myself recently bought 1g of 6-APB and 1g of 5-IAI from a vendor that I'm not going to name, but has Assay certificates for both on his site and will sell in pellet, capsule or by the gram.

With nothing to do tomorrow we decided to give them a go:

17:00 - 250mg 5-IAI= swallowed (gel capped)
18:30 - slight simulation, harder than usual typing (though this could have been a placebo - GF felt nothing at all)
18:30 - 100mg 6-APB = swallowed (again gel capped)
19:30 - I felt slightly more stimulation and a slight shift in colours, but nothing special and certainly not worth the money. My GF was still feeling nothing.
20:00 - We decided to give up on it and watch a Disney cartoon on DVD. For me the colours were definitely enhanced some and I felt a bit "fidgety". There was no euphoria, but empathy lying on the bed with the GF watching the film was increased.
21:40 - Film over, choice to make: Benzos and bed or try again via a different route.

Snorted 30mg 5-IAI + 30mg 6-APB together.
Glad we did now, as the TV has gone off and the music has come back on,and I'm loving it. The GF (who's a bit of an artist) now has all of her artists pads and pencils strewn over the bed and we are both feeling great.

Going to up the dose next time, (carefully), but this definitely seems the way to go, and they both seem to synergise well. Wouldn't bother swallowing though.


Just a Quick update: Went to bed about 1ish for a bit of a snuggle, (hard-on was a no-no, which was a shame as it would have topped the night off nicely), but it felt excellent lying in each others arms caressing one another.<3
The GF fell asleep about 4ish, but I've still not managed to sleep, but don't feel tired. It was nice lying there meditating holding the GF's hand while she slept. CEV's were mild but nice.

Might try 50mg of each snorted soon,but going to fuck off the capping and swallowing; just didn't seem to do much at all.
 
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rickolasnice said:
It's not bluelights fault that vendors sell random shit and label it as something else.. it's not bluelights fault that people are willing to take random shit..

You can't (read SHOULDN'T) censor knowedge.
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Umm... exactly, but that's what BL is trying to do, IMO.

No, it's not BL's fault that some vendors sell crap or even dangerous crap. BUT IT IS BL's FAULT THAT IT PREVENTS PROPLE FROM NAMING THEM!!!

My point was that people hear all the reports of people getting off on a chemical, a huge hype is generated, then the CRAP SELLERS move in to capitalize, BUT NO ONE ON BL IS ALLOWED TO NAME AND DISCREDIT THEM!!!

Thus BL enables and assists the crap-sellers. I think that is wrong, and bunk-sellers or sellers of dangerous crap labeled as something else to make a quick buck should be allowed to be named. I feel it is unethical to NOT allow people to name peddlers of dangerous junk.

Yes, you may come up with all sorts of rationalizations that "but if you do that then, blah blah blah." But there is NO possible argument against "sellers of dangerous junk should be allowed to be named in order to reduce harm." The whole idea of the site being "harm reduction' without this is laughable wishful thinking.

LET THE SELLERS OF BUNK AND JUNK BE REVEALED AND DISCREDITED IF YOU WANT TO REALLY SAVE LIVES!

(I understand the explanations as to why BL is run the way it is, and support BL since it has done so much and contributed so much to group knowledge.... but my loudmouthed shouting and opinions are intended to spark discussion that might lead to ideas about a way that identifying bad/dangerous vendors might somehow be made possible, as it seems a worthy goal if you ask me)
 
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I'd tend to agree on some level, but there's a problem with naming the shitty vendors - they'll get more business from morons, or for other products. The only way to truly drive traffic away from them would be to name the legitimate vendors as well, which is a sensible thing to try to avoid.

So naming and shaming the scammers accomplishes precisely the opposite effect. I don't see an easy way out of this. Naming vendors is a Pandora's box...
 
lineartransform said:
I'd tend to agree on some level, but there's a problem with naming the shitty vendors - they'll get more business from morons, or for other products. The only way to truly drive traffic away from them would be to name the legitimate vendors as well, which is a sensible thing to try to avoid.

So naming and shaming the scammers accomplishes precisely the opposite effect. I don't see an easy way out of this. Naming vendors is a Pandora's box...
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Yes, it's a pandoras box... so many arguments against as well as for it, so we get confused, drop the box on the floor and walk away. Pathetic.

Come on! We are a smart bunch, surely we can figure out a way to accomplish it.

*snip* - NO vendor review sites
 
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So BL is supposed to run a vendor verification system as well when others already exist for the same purpose?

let BL be a forum.
 
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