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The 6-APB thread

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^ Also 2C-B is not an amphetamine, so analogs of 2C-B do not fall under any analog clause. There is no analog clause for 2C-B, only amphetamines and PCP have an anolog clause in Canada.

Although the amphetamine versions of 2C-C and 2C-E (DOC and DOET) are listed under the amphetamines list, so analogs of DOC and DOET are considered illegal, but analogs of DOC or DOET would have to contain amphetamine within their structure to be considered illegal (as the amphetamine analog clause has been interpreted in Canada), so 2C-C and 2C-E are not considered amphetamine analogs, as they only contain a phenethylamine skeleton, not an alpha-methyl-phenethylamine (A-M-PHen-ETyl-AMINE) skeleton.

6-APB is unfortunately illegal in Canada as it has a phenethylamine skeleton with a methyl substitution on the alpha position, so it is an amphetamine. 2C-E, 2C-C, 2C-I and all of the other 2C's are not amphetamines, and thus they are not illegal unless they are secifically scheduled. 2C-B is the only 2C specifically scheduled in Canada because it is illegal under UN law and we are required to have it scheduled, so 2C-B is the only illegal 2C in Canada, while 6-APB, 6-APDB and all other analogs with an amphetamine skeleton are all illegal.
 
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Hi everyone, I am a first time poster but a long time reader. Just wanted to share my disappointing experience of 6 APB and wonder if anyone has any thoughts on the reasons.
I am experienced with all types of recreational drugs (including 15 or so Shulgin creations), most psychadelics, stimulants, dissociatives and if I have heard of it but havent tried it, I heavily research and invest in a sample whenever possible.

I bought a gram of 6APB last week. Was very disappointed when it arrived by the simple fact that the baggie was NOT labelled. This always upsets me a bit because I am always extremely concerned that a vendor may just weigh something out, put it down for a second and end up sending me a baggie of something else.

Me and my girlfriend started at 3pm with a 1mg dose each as a standard allergy test (weighed on 0.001g scales, so technically anywhere between 0.5 and 1.5mg). No effects or discomfort so after 2 hours (5pm) we took a 10mg dose each (to further ensure there would be no adverse reactions with a large dose later on). Within the following 2 hours we each felt moments of what we thought were threshold effects which could equally have been attributed to placebo.

At 7:30pm, we took 100mg dose each and waited. Because I have read many places that the come up can take up to 2 or 3 hours, we agreed not to redose that evening. Now across the next 5-6 hours, I felt like I was on the edge of coming up, but never actually doing so. It came in waves with both of us and we would start chatting a bit faster for 5-10 minutes, and then suddenly we would return to base. There was no come-up as such at all, no euphoria, and if anything a slight decrease in mood as time went on. However, the residue feeling remained throughout, as though we had already come down before we started.

At 1am, we tried to sleep, splitting a Diazepam. Sleep was literally impossible throughout the night and mainly consisted of thoughts flowing through my head in a coma like state, but still entirely concious of myself being awake, occassionally dipping asleep for 10-15 minutes. At 2:30 we had a 3mg Melatonin each and at 4am, we split another Diazepam. Still no true sleep. We both got up the next day 8am and for both of us, it felt like we had had a heavy night on MDMA and now were paying the price. The day consitsted of heavy naseau 20 minutes after eating, generally bad feelings interspliced with feeling really positive, plenty of crying over spilt milk (standard day after any stimulant with me tbh) and feeling of emptiness throughout.

Now my question is, do you think the reason for such a disappointing experience was from the 10mg dose 2 and a half hours before, building up a sufficient tolerance to prevent a come up from a 100mg later on
OR
Just a dodgy vendor selling something that isnt quite 6APB (or sending the wrong baggie)
OR
Is this the standard effects of a 6APB and I have been completely misinterpreting every other experience report I have read.

Its most bizarre, I have never had a comedown without having come-up at some point first. Surely I have to get high the night before to feel the really really shit effects the next day.

Any thoughts?

Icr
 
You didn't do your research well enough! Throw the rest of it away because it is probably lethal.

There is only 1 so called legit powder the rest are dodgy mixtures of dangerous chems.

I can't believe some people are still being conned, it doesn't take much to do research and find the real stuff.For a harm reduction site you are causing a lot of confusion. I understand completely why you ban vendor talk but its not helping 'Harm Reduction'.
 
Can I just ask- this site exist for harm redution, and currently, the PRICIPLE cause of harm here is the vendors, the packaging, the confusing names and the drug and its apperance........so......explain, why can't they, (being undisputedly the cause of harm) ,be discussed?....

....I will not mention any of these again if this can be answerd with a genuine reason that is applcable to this topic without a big brother 'just because' ? Minx x

For example I want to ask why I have today received the 3rd pill that is differnt in appearance from every other from the same source. (Its a 3rd the size as well) but if I ask this I'm breakingf every rule but it is blatently a gernuine question, which is specifically related to the potential of harm. Ie it would be a question who's answers would directly lead to harm reduction?

Minx x
 
annaminx said:
Can I just ask- this site exist for harm redution, and currently, the PRICIPLE cause of harm here is the vendors, the packaging, the confusing names and the drug and its apperance........so......explain, why can't they, (being undisputedly the cause of harm) ,be discussed?....

....I will not mention any of these again if this can be answerd with a genuine reason that is applcable to this topic without a big brother 'just because' ? Minx x

For example I want to ask why I have today received the 3rd pill that is differnt in appearance from every other from the same source. (Its a 3rd the size as well) but if I ask this I'm breakingf every rule but it is blatently a gernuine question, which is specifically related to the potential of harm. Ie it would be a question who's answers would directly lead to harm reduction?

Minx x
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Probably because you would get vendors trying to sell their stock. It used to be on here if you gave a good trip report you were accused of being a vendor.

Some people read reports on here, type in Google and buy the 1st thing they see. The information is out there if you research properly but it does get confused, hence all the horror reports!

On the size of the pellets, I would think because of the varying reports on the last batch they have reduced the filler in this new batch.

Mods if I have broken any rules I'm sorry.
 
....More ontopic.... The small new ones just made me very sick 3omin into comeup....I've not been sick on them befor, but come up is so far feels stronger
 
With refenece to my first post today- I did not mean to break rules, just point out that the current issue is an exepetion that perhaps demands an exception to the rules or an exception that would alow for a 'offical' pointing to a resourse that allows for the exception ie pointing to a external resourse that alllaws the exception.

does that make sense? im dyslexic and feeling exceptionally so

Minx x
 
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Has the "substantially similar" clause been tested in court? If so, what does the apparent extent of this similarity imply?

It seems rather odd to me that Canada appears to have Customs providing a shadow law system where certain compounds are deemed "illegal" absent any real rationale. 6-APB illegal while bk-MDMA is not? Fine, if we consider it to fall under the cathinone umbrella, but repeated statements about mephedrone being illegal in Canada again seem to point to a less consistent rationale.

My point is simply that to state it is "illegal" is not correct, but a projected interpretation of a rather vague law that has not been decisively tested in court to my knowledge.
 
The 6-APB pellet had more intense euphoria, entactogen-empathogen feelings and visuals than the aMT. It's also much more stimulating (which I'm a fan of). I felt much more sociable on the 6-APB too whereas on the aMT it was nice to be alone. But I'm told that the aMT experience would be much more intense at levels 35mg+ so I'll be trying that either tonight or tomorrow - probably tomorrow. Eagerly awaiting a re-stock of the 6-APB pellets!
 
The new pellets seem to have a faster come up, and a shorter but more intense high before comedown. Any one else got this?

I also experienced extreme stress out and computer rage at a broken keyboard throught short high. Extreme anger. Comparing this to mdma it would be impossible to get angry like that on mdma, I would have just put a cd on and chilled. Bizare. Pill rage
 
PILL RAGE.......

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Has anyone given the batch from the other week a check with pill testing reagents? If so do they respond the same as the first lot? Missed out on this lot so haven't been able to check myself, and haven't spotted any posts about it. Though I may just have missed them.
 
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I had 3 different samples from the O5 before the pellets were released. My reports were in line with others who had the initial samples (look through my older posts) I also marquis tested my samples which turned blue, the same as other sample testers. The pellets (which I havnt tried) turn the marquis solution purple and it has been sugested that an additional stimulant was added to the pellets which ties in with the fact that many of the initial testers inclusing myself reported that stimulation was somewhat missing with 6-apb. Also most of the reports regarding pellets state that there was alot of residual stimulation, it was hard to sleep and that the comedown was rough. This was not the case with the original samples, the buzz just nicely faded out till the point where you could sleep, and then the nexrt day the comedown was almost none existant / mild.

Im interested to see whart the difference is with the 2nd batch of pellets, If they are more in line with the original samples then they should be alot better
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Tried a few of the 2nd batch of pellets at the weekend. Me and a mate had 1 & 1/2 each crushed around 6.30pm. They are a lot smaller - they still stink though my mate could smell it across the room as i crushed one up.

Took an hour to come up, mate really enjoyed it - in his own words "I'm ON IT". He continued taking more but i settled with what i had and it kept me going till 2am.

Marquis tested purple again and wasn't as strong as the blue/black stuff we sampled but was still very enjoyable. I think for the price they are ok if you cannot get hold of mdma. There are some benefits of it over mdma - no comedown, less stimulation and body load but everything is proportional to dose. I feel it's better to have a larger initial dose (like with MDA & MDMA) than it is to keep topping up. The worse side about it for me is the jaw clenching. Much worse than mdma but at least it doesn't leave me with a raw mouth where eating is painful the next day - just a very achy jaw. I don't know how useful magnesium would be with it either as i haven't tried any with it yet.

The biggest letdown for me is the price per dose. Originally the prospect of 100mg per pellet seemed good but now with what feels like a much lighter dose per pellet it is expensive imo.

As time goes on i just hope it either gets cheaper or stronger :)

annaminx said:
The new pellets seem to have a faster come up, and a shorter but more intense high before comedown. Any one else got this?

I also experienced extreme stress out and computer rage at a broken keyboard throught short high. Extreme anger. Comparing this to mdma it would be impossible to get angry like that on mdma, I would have just put a cd on and chilled. Bizare. Pill rage
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No i haven't had any pellet rage... yet! though it doesn't feel as loved up as mdma, music appreciation is just as stong.
 
i have finally recieved my offical pills, well they are at the post office so will pick up saturday. i was an original tester so i have something to compare them too and im looking forward to knowing for sure what i think about them. i will keep u all posted
 
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