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The 6-APB thread

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the body load was bad, and I felt all weak like a kitten the whole time......and where is the euphoria? I get more from smoking a bowl, or seeing loved ones, etc. Normally I get More euphoria then friends on equal doses of mdma, or bk-mdma, so it's not like I never experience it.

if I want to trip for 4-6 hours I will take 4-aco-dmt any time...smooth as butter, loads of buzzy euphoria and zero hang over the next day
 
DwayneHoover said:
l.s.d., you are my most favoritest chemistry professor, ever! <3
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Thanks, but hardly! Have a gander over at Advanced Drug Discussion and tell me what you think. In all actuality you will probably still call me your "favoritest" cuz at least my simple knowledge of chemistry can be somewhat easily understood!

Love Solistus' sentence: Cathinone is an amphetamine that differs from amphetamine by the beta-ketone...

any major dude said:
I'd be interested as to the effects of the bk-6-APB as well. I'd imagine it would be less potent, as cathinones seem to have some trouble crossing the BBB, hence the high doses for most of them. As for bk-MDA, it has been studied, but never really widely available AFAIK. There was some speculation that it may be unstable, but I dunno if this was ever substantiated. I'd still like to give that one a try. Wonder if anyone's working on bk-6-APDB. Think that might be more interesting, and technically legal in Canada. I'll post the link to the bk-MDA stuff if i can find it.

Also, I think the 6-APB nomenclature was chosen to appear dissimilar from MDA. One of the proposed names for b**** f*** (the name we shall not speak!) when it was still 6-APDB was 4-desoxy-MDA. Naming these things is always going to be at least somewhat arbitrary

EDIT: Here's the link to the 3,4 Methylenedioxy Cathinone thread. There's a link to another archived thread on the subject as well.
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Thanks for the links. I guess whether or not "4-desoxy-MDC" or "bk-6-APB" would be stable depends on whether they are primary amines or not, as it appears bk-MDA was overlooked due to being a primary amine. No idea whether 6-APDB or 6-APB are primary amines though, but since they are analogs of MDA this may indicate they are. My lack of chemistry knowledge becomes apparent!
 
Anyone else get the major sweats with the latest batch of the smaller pellets ? also all my mates and myself tried them at the weekend and complained about serious gut rot and a dose of the 2 bob bits on monday....apart from all that they were decent lol...wouldn't have wanted to take it in a club though...a bit too strong if you done more than one...i got more appreciation of music on this batch than the first but major league sweats and more jaw clenching ,i also remember people saying about the tcp smell of them the second batch reek of it.
 
Welcome back Beef! I was looking through the old thread earlier - those heady days - things are a lot more sensible on this thread now...

Is there still the prolonged residual stimulation with the new pellets?
 
Hello new here, Will be writing full report in the next few days of my experience. The reason i have waited so long to try this is because i belive in researching every last thread before even trying an RD. Just wanted to say though it's about 24 hours since i tried this and i think i know what beef is going on about. I feel like i will sleep tonight not in work untill 3pm tomorrow so think i'll be fine but will put that into my full report once i feel totally free from this rd.
The thing is allthough i do feel quite sureal and a bit grogy i think thats mostly down to lack of sleep my palms have not stopped sweating since about 10am this morning.

Keeping hydrated but finding i need to go pee quite a bit, it's as if my body is removing liquid as fast as possible but not got all over sweats just palms of hands.

I am quite aware of the risks of trying a RD and take it as my own resposibilty to look after myself if things go wrong so if i feel like i might go a little west will not hesitate to ring hospital but i feel pretty much fine beside i am going on a little in this post lol.

Anyways just wanted to say hi and will keep you updated and have full report of all my stats soon.. took quite a high dose but nothing crazy just under 200mg over 12 hours not a compost alternative but quite interesting, if i try again it will be during my holidays from work i reckon i might feel grogy for a few days yet. (only said compost alternative because i think people will get what i mean without me saying the name!) ^_^ bye for now
 
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JedTheHumanoid said:
Welcome back Beef! I was looking through the old thread earlier - those heady days - things are a lot more sensible on this thread now...

Is there still the prolonged residual stimulation with the new pellets?
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yeah i know lol....got kind of frustrating when people doubted what i was saying or my motives for saying it:p

you mean half life? yes i wouldn't be planning to either go to work or a family dinner after talking a few.....the new pellets seem to have a very consistent active dose more so than the first batch...for me and any of my mates dropping 1 and a half straight of the bat seems the way to go it completely spangles you=D...but this new batch deffo give me more appreciation of music, we all just sat nodding our heads with our eyes shut grinning for hrs...no one really spoke smoked or drank ...we even had a big bag of decent coke that no one even went near8o.....some people would think that sounds like a awful night but we were all loving it.
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was it the pellets you took smokescreen? if so you'll be fine we all ad a bit of diffs with the waterworks...i'd try and eat something though as they seem to be quite hard on the ol guts the nxt day....i took 1 an a half earlier tonite just starting to come round abit enouugh to type now haha
 
It was the caps with powder in. seemed to give a really long nice buz.. feeling quite nice and calm now. I did force myself to eat a chicken salad my dad made earlier which i think helped a lot.
 
systemsmoke said:
It was the caps with powder in. seemed to give a really long nice buz.. feeling quite nice and calm now. I did force myself to eat a chicken salad my dad made earlier which i think helped a lot.
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I'm a bit wary of any of the caps being flogged of as 6apb....but as long you enjoyed yourself and feel fine now=D
 
yeah i was weary myself did a lot of reading up before hand but i'm pretty sure it's just the powder placed in caps, their is no way it's exactly 100mg in each cap though. Packaging is a bit over marketed---------------------------------------- which is just laughable really.
 
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also should point out got mdai from there too, not tried have been trying to find reports of people trying from this vendor but thats really difficult these days.
 
I'm hearing good things about the new batch of 6-APB pellets; are they consistent in weight this time too? With the last batch the pellets weighed anywhere from 200-450mg.
 
solistus said:
Allowing vendor discussion would get us shut down by the authorities so fast it would make your head spin - this site is very high profile and you can bet yer ass there are law enforcement agencies that would jump on any opportunity to shut the site down or at least drag it into a lengthy and costly court battle to defend its right to exist. Plus, if we started allowing that and shady vendors infiltrated BL to spread false information, that would make things even worse. There would be MUCH more incentive to spread bad info of this sort than bad info about drugs and harms reduction methods in general, obviously, since there's money changing hands.

If people choose to do unsafe things despite all the advice we give them, that's not BL creating confusion. That's people being reckless of their own free will. Anyone who reads our terms of use, or this thread for that matter, should know our stance on vendors and also the importance of having reliable sources. If you want to discuss safety precautions people should take with a new supply of supposedly 6-APB to minimize the potential harms if it's something else, that would be great. What we can't do is direct people to 'trusted' vendors.
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With all due respect, and while I agree with not allowing discussion of vendors so as to avoid the massive shilling that would obviously ensue, I beg to differ on your incorrect statements about "legality".

They are a bugaboo and entirely BS in my opinion. There is a very important clause in our constitution about "Freedom of Speech", perhaps you've heard of it.

What law(s) are you thinking of, specifically, that would allow any authorities to shut down Bluelight if, hypothetically, vendor discussion occurred?

There are none, they do not exist. I'm having a hard time believing such an experienced mod would make such an incorrect claim, that would seem to be supporting kowtowing to fascist urges and intentions of our more evil politicos. Telling people to quake in fear or non-existent government powers to suppress our freedom of speech... shame on you!

Are you based in Eastern Europe, perhaps? Oh, wait... its bluelight.RU... this is hosted in Russia, I guess? Oh well, I suppose that's a different story.

I move the hosting of Bluelight be changed to the West, where people cannot be smashed by the state for saying something it does not like. Seems contrary to the entire idea of this place, whatever the rules on vendor talk.
 
^ Solistus isn't an "experienced" mod, he is one of PD's newest mods, but he is doing a great job IMO.

Perhaps BL wouldn't nesessarily get shut down, but BL is very high profile and has a very good reputation, as you know. You must also know that sourcing would compromise that credibility as shills would come on and competition would bash their competitors. The fact is BL is for the discussion of effects and how to do drugs as safely as possible. There are other places for the discussion of sources. BL is for the discussion of effects, not speculating on which vendor gave you good shit or which vendor gave you something else mislabeled. Most people have no interest in threads where people speculate what's in their bag they got from vendor X, or which vendor cuts their shit. I'm actually happy that sourcing isn't allowed as I fear it would clog up the threads with info I'm not really interested in.

There are places you can go to if you want to discuss vendors. Why not check them out when you want vendor info and check BL when you want information on effects? It's fairly simple actually.
 
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love_sex_desire said:
^ Solistus isn't an "experienced" mod, he is one of PD's newest mods, but he is doing a great job.

Perhaps BL wouldn't nesessarily get shut down, but BL is a very high profile and has a very good reputation. Sourcing would compromise that credibility as shills would come on and competition would bash their competitors. The fact is BL is for the discussion of effects and how to do drugs as safely as possible. There are other places for the discussion of sources. BL is for the discussion of effects. Not speculating on which vendor gave you good shit or which vendor gave you something else mislabeled. Most people have no interest in threads where people speculate what's in their bag they got from vendor X, or which vendor cuts their shit.

There are places you can go to if you want to discuss vendors. Why not check them out when you want vendor info and check BL when you want information on effects? It's fairly simple actually.
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I'm well aware of all that, thanks.

I just wanted to make a bit of a challenge to the claims that a government entity in the US or EU could use some law to shut the site down by government decree.

Totally absolutely impossible.

Claiming its possible seems to be miseducating younger people who may not be familiar with what our constitutional protections are in the West, that's why I spoke up really.

But based in RU, maybe, probably?, not sure really.
 
^ Well BL might not get the support that it needs to run if it's credibility was in question, so that in turn could lead to it shutting down. Most people agree that BL is great the way it is. I agree that a government entity shutting BL down probably couldn't happen, more likely the vendors would get shut down with such visibility on here. But if the government knew that kids were using BL to find drugs they probably would attempt to shut it down. Wouldn't be the first time the constitution wasn't upheld unfortunately.
 
love_sex_desire said:
^ Well BL might not get the support that it needs to run if it's credibility was in question, so that in turn could lead to it shutting down. Most people agree that BL is great the way it is. I agree that a government entity shutting BL down probably couldn't happen, more likely the vendors would get shut down with such visibility on here. But if the government knew that kids were using BL to find drugs they probably would attempt to shut it down. Wouldn't be the first time the constitution wasn't upheld unfortunately.
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Yea, you're probably right about that... hopefully it would be challenged in court who would support the extremely clear and obvious free speech guarantees.

Just for the record I am not suggesting anything be changed... I am totally supportive of the rule and the way BL is currently run.
 
The fact that bl is hosted in Russia means there is less chance of prosecution. Expect lots of down time and authorities hassling the host if it was moved to the west, especially if it was hosted in the USA.
 
Bluelight is not hosted in Russia, the domain is Russian but that is as far as it goes.
Bluelight used to be hosted in the Netherlands.

the legal issue is conspiracy, if the site allowed source discussion it would be easy to argue that the site and therefore the owners were party to criminal conspiracy and the owners are based in countries that have strong analog and conspiracy laws. Remember in most countries even so called legal highs are not fully legal to supply or promote.

free speech guarantees are a US fiction, this site is fine without vendor discussion the current position means that it is more difficult for vendors to shill their products on this site.

The current situation with these high profile legal highs vendors is highly dangerous, the materials are often illegal have no quality control whatsoever and are exposing people to significant risks. discussion of the quality (or lack of) a vendors products does not help people will take their shite in any case. the real sadness is that fully free discussion of novel and interesting compounds on public forums is over. if an interesting compound is discussed it appear in vendor catalogues within months and the process towards banning is started. people need to think about protecting compounds before they post trip reports, it is far better if a compound remains low profile for years (some have remained low profile for decades) rather than exploding into the open market and being banned.
 
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