The 6-APB thread

[YaniCZka]

strange to hear about the seretonin crash as i remember reading on here that 6-ap(d)b does not produce the chemical that is responsible for blue monday feeling...

 

[Leeroy84]

got too say i never felt any crash (and i always get monday blues of mdma) its making me think that not all pellets are the REAL DEAL, im not even sure wot i had was 6-apb, but ive had nearly every RC in the uk upto now and id never had what i had on saturday b4 lol.

 

[koalakoala]

Ok today i got 100mg 6 apb from a 'non-official' vendor and snorted an allergy test line, vv small, 5mg max. From the main 6apb thread (the one that shows up first when googling that stuff) I thought that maybe it's some crappy inert powder or maybe only slightly active at higher doses at best, but the stuff I got is definitely active even at this tiny dose. Obviously I'm not on a massive roll, but still this is doing a lot more than I expected. I have to add that from experience I'm not prone to placebo effects. I think the current situation with 6apb is exactly the kind of environment where bad things happen - people think only crap going around take a massive dose for starters and get surprised that it's doing far more to them than they had intended or expected. PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL PEOPLE - ALWAYS TEST YOUR SUBSTANCES FIRST, NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING REGARDING POTENCY.

 

[zamzams]

Just got back from being away and this is all a very mixed bag of reports i've read tonight with lots of stories of people wigging out 8( I've got two of these pellets sat here and don't know whether to take these at all now. Probably won't after reading some of these reports...

These pellet reports all read similar to the original 1st synth reports in terms of effects (the synth that turned marquis deep purple) compared to the 2nd synth that i tested that turned dark blue/black which btw gave me no psychedelic visuals at all.

So these must be two very different compounds after all & I shall wait to see if the 2nd synth rears it's head again before taking any as this initial 1st synth batch sounds like it has some very unpredictable effects and a potentially steep dose response curve turned into even more of a clusterfuck by not knowing exactly how much is in each pellet and what other unknowns it contains.

I suggest if like me people have pre-ordered more and are now waiting then if they don't already have one - to get a marquis testing kit so that reports can confirm which one it is that they are taking. I hope the next lot to arrive though turns dark blue/black though as i did enjoy it.

My only advice is if you do insist on getting more in future to remember it may possibly be a completely different compound and to take all the standard precautions again (i.e. allergy test/ incremented doses) and not to assume that the doses will be the same as the last batch.

 

[Fargoer]

^hurrah, that is what we were waiting for. How was the jaw clenching? Can anyone direct me to guidance on what is a good dose of magnesium would be to take prior to a trip?

For mephedrone I was suggested this:
4-500mg 20 minutes before start
200 mg whenever needed
up to 400mg after the session

400mg is about whats reccomended as a daily intake as a supplimet (for reference)
Thing is, if you take too much you have to shit. So when you have to shit and you are over the 6-apb toilet phase, don't take more and try half the dose next time tie bruxism/jaw clenshing gets to bad.

You'll get an ok sense of whats enough for after the session then you have reaced that point. You would want to take enough, though you don't want to run to the toilet all night!

 

[MrTiHKAL]

Ok today i got 100mg 6 apb from a 'non-official' vendor and snorted an allergy test line, vv small, 5mg max. From the main 6apb thread (the one that shows up first when googling that stuff) I thought that maybe it's some crappy inert powder or maybe only slightly active at higher doses at best, but the stuff I got is definitely active even at this tiny dose. Obviously I'm not on a massive roll, but still this is doing a lot more than I expected. I have to add that from experience I'm not prone to placebo effects. I think the current situation with 6apb is exactly the kind of environment where bad things happen - people think only crap going around take a massive dose for starters and get surprised that it's doing far more to them than they had intended or expected. PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL PEOPLE - ALWAYS TEST YOUR SUBSTANCES FIRST, NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING REGARDING POTENCY.

Very unlikely to be 6-apb if it's active at such a small amount so maybe you should be careful especially snorting a so called allergy dose.

 

[Policethepolice?]

strange to hear about the seretonin crash as i remember reading on here that 6-ap(d)b does not produce the chemical that is responsible for blue monday feeling...

The "blue-monday" feeling is usually caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain as opposed to a metabolite, so anything causing a large release of serotonin could potentially cause this.

 

[Fargoer]

Usually baking powder/sodium bicarbonate can speed up proccess of drugs. Has anyone tride that before oral intake?

What someone suggested for Mephedrone was 15g/a table spoon in some whater 20 minutes before taking the drug.

I haven't tried this wit 6-apb, so please wait for someone better educated to say if its safe or not.

 

[Mullered]

Usually baking powder/sodium bicarbonate can speed up proccess of drugs

erm no

Just got back from being away and this is all a very mixed bag of reports i've read tonight with lots of stories of people wigging out 8( I've got two of these pellets sat here and don't know whether to take these at all now. Probably won't after reading some of these reports...

These pellet reports all read similar to the original 1st synth reports in terms of effects (the synth that turned marquis deep purple) compared to the 2nd synth that i tested that turned dark blue/black which btw gave me no psychedelic visuals at all.

So these must be two very different compounds after all & I shall wait to see if the 2nd synth rears it's head again before taking any as this initial 1st synth batch sounds like it has some very unpredictable effects and a potentially steep dose response curve turned into even more of a clusterfuck by not knowing exactly how much is in each pellet and what other unknowns it contains.

I suggest if like me people have pre-ordered more and are now waiting then if they don't already have one - to get a marquis testing kit so that reports can confirm which one it is that they are taking. I hope the next lot to arrive though turns dark blue/black though as i did enjoy it.

My only advice is if you do insist on getting more in future to remember it may possibly be a completely different compound and to take all the standard precautions again (i.e. allergy test/ incremented doses) and not to assume that the doses will be the same as the last batch.

My last official sample also turned the marquis dark blue then black as an oppose to purple. In fact the dark blue was a case of 'blink and you'l miss it' as it went black almost instantly

 

[Mullered]

suprised ya not sampled an official one as yet mullered?

Had a heavy (festival) weekend; weekend before last on official sample / unofficial sample (turned out not to be real [but good]) / street pills and ketamine so only just recovered scoobs

got your PM and others by the way but been feeling too unsocial after the last weekend to reply

 

[Mullered]

Im really starting to think official sample (1) and official sample (2) are different compounds. From what I can remember the first samples turned the marquis purple, just like like the pellets now on general sale. My second sample turned the marquis a definite dark blue then black, just like another report of the 2nd synth. I've seen the pictures and there is a definite blue vs purple. Also I always wondered why I had no visuals at all from all three of my samples (all from the 2nd synth). From what I can remember most of the reports from the samples that reported visuals were from the early reports from the first batch.

Now there are many reports of visuals from the pellets, they are also going purple on the marquis, just like the first synth....!

Sounds to me like two different compounds ................. 6-apb and 6-apdb maybe ..........???

 

[Solipsis]

Usually baking powder/sodium bicarbonate can speed up proccess of drugs. Has anyone tride that before oral intake?

What someone suggested for Mephedrone was 15g/a table spoon in some whater 20 minutes before taking the drug.

I haven't tried this wit 6-apb, so please wait for someone better educated to say if its safe or not.

What you are talking about is taking a base such as is contained in antacids for instance, to change the acidity of your stomach. The acidity is a factor in absorption speed and efficiency for many compounds, pretty much every one under the influence of ionization.

Personally I have taken the base magnesium aluminium oxide to facilitate rapid methylone absorption and I am indeed under the impression that it is effective.

Baking powder is not good to consume in such quantities as you are talking about. If you fuck your stomach acids up for long enough bacteria will fester there and you definitely don't want that. So be careful.

Also, it is unpredictable to what degree this method can be extended for various amphetamines or cathinones.

I would not call this absolutely safe, for one: too rapidly absorbed stimulants can peak in blood to potentially be more prone to side-effects, although this is sound theory my own experiments reduced any subjectively experienced negative effects rather than increase them.

 

[Fargoer]

Its used for relaxation amongst other things

It helps the muscels relax and works very well (for me) against bruxism. There are some different types of magnesium which of some are easier for the body to absorb rather than sending it out your butt. I don't know which ones though, and the cheap standard ones works well for me

 

[Mullered]

does no one have anything to say about the obviouse discrepancies between official samples? Purple and blue are not the same. I doubt magnesium stearate would change the colour, other than the intensity. I would have have expected the pellets to have turned the marquis a lighter blue in comparison to my official sample which was navy / dark blue /black. It really interests me that the pellets turn the marquis purple in comparison

It helps the muscels relax and works very well (for me) against bruxism. There are some different types of magnesium which of some are easier for the body to absorb rather than sending it out your butt. I don't know which ones though, and the cheap standard ones works well for me

It works well for me too; maybe around 200 -250mg

 

[Fargoer]

Its used for relaxation amongst other things

What you are talking about is taking a base such as is contained in antacids for instance, to change the acidity of your stomach. The acidity is a factor in absorption speed and efficiency for many compounds, pretty much every one under the influence of ionization.

Personally I have taken the base magnesium aluminium oxide to facilitate rapid methylone absorption and I am indeed under the impression that it is effective.

Baking powder is not good to consume in such quantities as you are talking about. If you fuck your stomach acids up for long enough bacteria will fester there and you definitely don't want that. So be careful.

Also, it is unpredictable to what degree this method can be extended for various amphetamines or cathinones.

I would not call this absolutely safe, for one: too rapidly absorbed stimulants can peak in blood to potentially be more prone to side-effects, although this is sound theory my own experiments reduced any subjectively experienced negative effects rather than increase them.

I think you are right about the amount. One or two tea spoons it was. Putting two spoons in a glass will make it "boil" over so maybe I'kk experience with one when times come.

For a long time its probably not good for the stomach, but the intention is only to do it before the session. I also wouldn't think it was the "worst" you could do. During Tour France this year it was detected that some riders were taking baking power to increase performance but its regared legal as its not harmeful. As with magnesium, though, it comes out on the other side if taken too much

 

[Where Wolf?]

whilst i totally agree, i also think that in the case of this particular substance, this advice is hard to follow. mainly the low active dose bit- if it varies so much then you can take a 'low' dose and get totally wrecked, though i suspect it'll be more often the other way round. issues like this are putting me off.

also i think that cocktails arise about an hour or 2 in, when your judgements clouded, its not doing much, so you feel the need to top it up. this is how all the stupid amounts/cocktails of drugs i've ever taken have arisen.

finally, since nobody has any idea whatsoever what this stuff really does to your body, doctors aren't trained to deal with it. so, if needed, wouldn't the medical attention, whilst slightly comforting, be pointless?

sorry if this sounds negative about your post, i'm more expressing frustration that harm minimisation seems very difficult in this context because of the newness and variance.

Agreed on all points - which frankly to me adds up to a simple 'don't touch this shit'. That said, medical attention would still be useful in the case of an OD/freakout - the first line of medical response to a stimulant OD being a shot of a benzo, in the UK, followed by heart monitoring. As to cocktails: when trying a new drug, hand over your stash to a trusted source for the night: and keep some benzos and anti-histamines at hand, which will probably forestall the need for medical help if things go pear-shaped.

But the basis point is DON'T TRY A NEW DRUG IN PUBLIC SETTING FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN IT'S A VIRTUALLY UNKNOWN SUBSTANCE. And don't give it to fresh-faced young girls in the hope it'll make them affectionate.

 

[Scoobysnacks]

Im really starting to think official sample (1) and official sample (2) are different compounds. From what I can remember the first samples turned the marquis purple, just like like the pellets now on general sale. My second sample turned the marquis a definite dark blue then black, just like another report of the 2nd synth. I've seen the pictures and there is a definite blue vs purple. Also I always wondered why I had no visuals at all from all three of my samples (all from the 2nd synth). From what I can remember most of the reports from the samples that reported visuals were from the early reports from the first batch.

Now there are many reports of visuals from the pellets, they are also going purple on the marquis, just like the first synth....!

Sounds to me like two different compounds ................. 6-apb and 6-apdb maybe ..........???

at my dose i got no visuals, peeps had to double/treble dose to get visuals

 

[Delsyd]

You all need to STOP acting like like the lunatics meph turned you into.
This is not to be abused.

DO NOT USE THIS MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK

Be intelligent drug users.
Treat this as you would MDMA.

This could be toxic at high, repeated doses in the same way other drugs with similar mechanisms are.

 

[drivensnow]

DO NOT USE THIS MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK

I don't think you would be able to... Im a bit fried after two doses this past week... It's just like mdma im guessing... Fucking drained now to be honest... Defo couldn't handle it all the time... One of the best nights I have ever had was on it in a club on sat... Just like the good old days...

 

[organicshroom]

Complete bullshit! What makes you guys think that the provided numbers are false? The CAS-numbers are absolutely correct. Period! You better provide some evidence next time you call somebody a liar.

I also first trusted the CAS information from ADD and entered into Wiki. It was then disputed and removed by another member. I could not find any information myself on offical CAS numbers, I proceeded to question this again on here. I have now reentered the numbers on Wiki as before.