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The 6-APB thread

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MurphyClox said:
:X Complete bullshit! What makes you guys think that the provided numbers are false? The CAS-numbers are absolutely correct. Period! You better provide some evidence next time you call somebody a liar.
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organicshroom said:
I also first trusted the CAS information from ADD and entered into Wiki. It was then disputed and removed by another member. I could not find any information myself on offical CAS numbers, I proceeded to question this again on here. I have now reentered the numbers on Wiki as before.
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So can somone verify this CAS information for me, the only reference i can find is on wiki which references SciFinder and the public cannot access this.

No offence guys i am sure you are right, but would be nice for us non-chemists to see things verified rather than being dictated too.... :(
 
Delsyd said:
You all need to STOP acting like like the lunatics meph turned you into.
This is not to be abused.

DO NOT USE THIS MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK

Be intelligent drug users.
Treat this as you would MDMA.[/SIZE][/COLOR]
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Not sure what you mean by this, lunatics sounds quite abusive?, are we Swimming in a fish bowl... full of liquid LSD, with little rocks of deamsters as gravel and an aquatic cannabis plant?.Think not. Pesonally i never liked meph and was only intrested in 6-apb for sexy time(mdma being my favourite),and not visauls or getting in that state of mind that some peps drescribe as ,what was it again, oh yeh fucked. Going buy the sexy time thread everyone seems to be different.

I would definitely not do this more than once a week but inevitably, as somebody else pointed out in a previous thread, even intelligent people with problems will not be intelligent drug users.
 
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^ Well with people talking about dropping 5 pills throughout a weekend, and dropping multiple times within the same week, a little Delsyd soap-box font shouting is in order. This is an untested research chemical, and no one can even really be sure what the dose is, as people are consuming research chemical "pellets" which I find absolutely laughable.

This is a harm reduction site and Delsyd's remarks about mephedrone don't apply to everyone, but meph has definitely changed the scene of the RC market, in the UK at least. I'm in Canada, but watching from afar I have witnessed the effects that meph has had on the RC market and it is troubling to think that "meph kiddies", as they have been labeled, might start trying to abuse 6-APB the same way they abused mephedrone.

So yes, Delsyd is right in warning people not to abuse this like many did with mephedrone, although coming off a little harsh (but you wont find much respect for mephedrone here, most people in PD simply don't like mephedrone and the mainstream media/young people it has introduced to the "secret" research chemical market).
 
^ Fuck Yeah.

I fully support lsd's and Delsyd's posts. The frequency at which I see people using this in here is scary. Mephedrone is the worst thing to happen to our previously under-the-radar market.

Let's not fuck it (or yourselves) up further.

I hope this becomes only available from hard to find chemical suppliers in powder form. I hope all those UK based easy finds go down; It'll keep it out of young, unintelligent hands.

Pellets found on a search engine spells bad news.
 
BigFishLittleFish said:
So can somone verify this CAS information for me, the only reference i can find is on wiki which references SciFinder and the public cannot access this.

No offence guys i am sure you are right, but would be nice for us non-chemists to see things verified rather than being dictated too.... :(
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Well, the source of the CAS-number was indeed SciFinder, which is not accessible to the public. SciFinder is run by CA, and therefore, is highly trustworthy. As far as I know isn't there any reliable possibility to verify these numbers unless somebody else with SciFinder-access checks them. I can't believe I'm the only one here in the forums, so either the others don't care or simply don't know (sidenote: during the last months I was the only one responding to CAS-number-requests at ADD. I assume that if there is anybody else with access then he doesn't care or stays silent for some reason).

The original Wiki-entry presumably took the number from the respective ADD-thread: I posted the numbers on 14th of June, the same day 6-APB's Wiki-entry was created. Coincidence? So to date I seem to be the only source for the CAS-numbers. You have to trust me ;)


Anyway, what's so magic about some random numbers?


Peace! - Murphy
 
Thanks Murphy, there's nothing in particular magic about these numbers but it would be nice to start getting some facts down about this chemical.
Since the hype started there's been nothing but bullsh*t about this Snake oil from vendors and for the sake of HR it would be nice to be able to have a list of facts for Joe Public to see.

As far as i can see at the moment

There is an NMR from an unknown source which shows a impure chemical.
There are CAS numbers that no-one can access
There is a patent application which no-one can understand
There are at least three reagent test results
There is no proof that anyone is synthesising this at the moment
Thre are thousands of people taking various unknown chemicals
Madness 8o

This article on Wiki references vendors perfectly
'Random House Dictionary describes a "quack" as a "fraudulent or ignorant pretender to medical skill" or "a person who pretends, professionally or publicly, to have skill, knowledge, or qualifications he or she does not possess; a charlatan."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackery
 
MurphyClox said:
Well, the source of the CAS-number was indeed SciFinder, which is not accessible to the public. SciFinder is run by CA, and therefore, is highly trustworthy. As far as I know isn't there any reliable possibility to verify these numbers unless somebody else with SciFinder-access checks them. I can't believe I'm the only one here in the forums, so either the others don't care or simply don't know (sidenote: during the last months I was the only one responding to CAS-number-requests at ADD. I assume that if there is anybody else with access then he doesn't care or stays silent for some reason).

The original Wiki-entry presumably took the number from the respective ADD-thread: I posted the numbers on 14th of June, the same day 6-APB's Wiki-entry was created. Coincidence? So to date I seem to be the only source for the CAS-numbers. You have to trust me ;)


Anyway, what's so magic about some random numbers?


Peace! - Murphy
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you know why they want the CAS numbers.....these dodgy foreign synthesis places usually require them for their custom syntheses, whether you help is up to you.

this thread is full of idiots and problem children so don't worry about it.
 
Scoobysnacks said:
still it could of been worse ya cd of overdosed, least ya brain still here to feel the zaps haha
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That is true at least and am thankful for, also seems like my brain is in fact more here than it was before. Perhaps the zaps have zapped some life into some long dead braincells.

I'm surprised at the ease of comedown still, as well as the resounding good mood following. Having no major negative symptoms following almost seems abnormal having been so utterly mashed. There must be a logical cause for this. I'm not one to be cheerful at the best of times, I'm a miserable bastard most days...Make that years...This week though I've been in very high spirits throughout and exceedingly motivated at work.
 
That is usually called an afterglow.
Its one of the bonuses of having a great experience.

Ive had it last over a month with good LSD trips.
Also with MDMA i find myself often going back into that mindset with ease through out the following week.

But basically good trips=good after effects usually.
 
Marvellous! This may also explain the excessive tingles, goosebumps and desire to close my eyes with hands in the air now each time I hear a piece of trance music.
 
I think just for the sake of safety.
This board should be closed and locked.
Anymore comments about this substance, should be closed and locked.

It's making drugs look like cocaine, and psychedelics for the love of god aren't cocaine.
You idiots need to put a lock on your serotonin release button. If you were a Hamster, you and the 999 that replaced you would all be dead by now.

A Supplier from Canada, that i deal with on Face to Face visits tried to order your 6-apbd and he got a note from customs saying it was far too much of a direct analogue of MDA.

One of his suppliers that shipped him his most recent stock of mephedrone, discovered that the drone was mixed with several other stimulants like MPDV and MDAI. It didn't have anywhere the same effects. That was from EUROPE. So what if the stuff that is being stocked as 6-apb by these fuckers, is really just this research chemical concoction of a bunch of different serotongerics.
Thankfully he switched over to china after that.

Like most of you guys are from europe...


Straight up, the stuff, you guys have is probably a mixture of MDPV and Mephedrone, maybe even MDAI, its not worth your time, its not worth burning out your braincells for a little rush, that isn't even comparable to MDMA.

Someone is Marketing this shit to you. They devised a catchy name.
You can get it delivered to your door in 30 minutes.

Seriously, the person who is selling you this, is just selling it to you because mdma is illegal and they still want to make money, but they don't give a fuck about what it could do to you,
The sad part is, you don't care about what it could do to you either.

If you can't find MDMA, then find something else. Stay the fuck away from this Benzo Fury bullshit, because all we need is a bunch of people getting Parkinsons, or dying and then suddenly over night there could be a BAN on EVERYTHING that makes you feel good outside of Alcohol and Tobacco. So seriously
Slow the fuck down.
Shut the fuck up
and for the sake of PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS.
CLOSE THE METH ADDLED BOARD OF MISCREANT MAGGOTS.
 
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love_sex_desire said:
^ Well with people talking about dropping 5 pills throughout a weekend, and dropping multiple times within the same week, a little Delsyd soap-box font shouting is in order. This is an untested research chemical, and no one can even really be sure what the dose is, as people are consuming research chemical "pellets" which I find absolutely laughable.
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Forgive me, I had shared my experience of dropping 5 without considering those who may read it and be influenced by it, I do not wish anyone to get hurt by experimenting with an untested substance and should have considered this more before posting. I agree that such warnings as posted here throughout the forum are most welcome, as caution should be of utmost importance. I guess ya have to be harsh to be kind.
 
6-apb/6-apbd are both real drugs.
The combo you suggested in your post (meph, mdpv, mdai) seems unlikely given the effects of the drug.

That mix you named is NRG (1,2,3,4,5).

It is an analogue of MDA, and that is actually rather exciting.

This thread should remain open for the purpose of people reporting their experiences and any other useful incite we may gain from it.

Also there are NMR results showing that this substance, while impure, is real and not a concoction.
 
There has been much controversy and discussion of the comparison between MDMA and 6-APB, but can anyone experienced share a comparison of MDA to 6-APB effects, considering the closer structural relationship it has to that chem?
 
lolcat313 said:
Forgive me, I had shared my experience of dropping 5 without considering those who may read it and be influenced by it, I do not wish anyone to get hurt by experimenting with an untested substance and should have considered this more before posting. I agree that such warnings as posted here throughout the forum are most welcome, as caution should be of utmost importance. I guess ya have to be harsh to be kind.
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i was not trying to single you out lolcat.
I think you should report your experiences here so that knowledge of all sorts exists on the drug.

I was just trying to make clear that this is a new substance.
Its very exciting to have this appear and understandable to want to do it again especially after having a good trip on it.

But take into consideration drugs that it is most closely related to (MDA) and what abuse of that results in.

I hope to try 6-apb in a measured 100ng dose once this hype dies, and when more, and more legitimate distributors appear.
 
Have ingested 100mg of crystalised white 6apb (supposedly) about an hour and a half ago and it is certainly a million miles away from what id call a stimulant! I do quite like the feeling though I have to say: Very chilled, light headedness, getting into things more than usual. Id say it is similar to MDAI with Not much in the way of euphoria. Am just sat here happily strumming the guitar along to some tunes :)
 
By now, ive almost read all those freakin 6-apb threads on this site, possibly including something like 10,000 posts. Please do me a favour and keep this one informative and drop the chatter (6-apb vs. unknown chem; high post count vs. low post count; rc-leet vs. meph-kids; ect, ect, ect.).

Last interesting post was from mullered, his opinion was that the original samples came in two variations:

1st synth:
marquis purple
effects including nausea and visuals

2nd synth:
marquis dark blue/black
no visuals and less nausea reported

it seems reasonable that the pellets contain the 1st synth as they share the same properties. I vaguely remember that a while (and thousands of posts) ago, shambles was guessing something like the 1st synth was going in the pellets first and the 2nd synth would be following in later batches. (BTW it was pain in the ass to find that original post)

Not sure about old vs new synth for pellets. I would imagine that the first batch or two of pellets may consist of the old synth (assuming they had enough powder to pelletise before the new synth landed which is the impression I got with the new synth replacing that shortly afterwards. 100mg of the old synth was a good dose as it was so if they are sticking to 100mg of the new synth I would expect a bit of a jump in effects from one batch to the other. I really don't know though and they may well have ditched the old synth entirely (which could possibly account for the delay). But pure speculation on my part, to be honest. I wouldn't turn my nose up at either, to be honest.
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However, different synth does in no way mean different chem: the synth route only matters for the impurities that the finished product contains. It then seems that the 2nd synth has less impurities then the 1st one considering that the 2nd synth was reported to feel cleaner with less side-effects or residual stimulation. I lately had the occasion to compare old tan metylone vs newer white methylone. The color difference must be due to a different synth route. On the effects side, the old M1 batch feld a lot cleaner and had far less speedy jitterness on the comedown. On another note you must be aware that with higher doses, the potential side-effects tend to get worse. This is especially true for impure products. As you may remember, bad synthed MDMA sometimes presented toxic ipurities (like PMA) that caused severe hyperthermia among other potentially lethal side-effects.

For those HC-neckers that do Meth+Meph+MDAI+X on friday and 6-apb on saturday, keep in mind that you have badly depleted your monoamine stocks especially dopamine. In that case it is impossible to get any enjoyable effects out of entactogens a la MDxx or 6-apb besides feeeling monged-out. The same counts for taking MDMA on two consecutive days. The 2nd day you will feel more of the side-effects and less enjoyment. Man, let your Brain rest, and don't get the stupid idea that you just need a higher dose to catch the high!

Stay safe
 
Drissay said:
lolcat- that's a name i see on alot of legal high forums. Am i right in saying you thought this stuff was immense?
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Indeedie, I have been chatting here and there. I've found it to be quite a profound experience reminiscent of a blend many of my previous experiences of other substances.
 
Drissay said:
Have ingested 100mg of crystalised white 6apb (supposedly) about an hour and a half ago and it is certainly a million miles away from what id call a stimulant! I do quite like the feeling though I have to say: Very chilled, light headedness, getting into things more than usual. Id say it is similar to MDAI with Not much in the way of euphoria. Am just sat here happily strumming the guitar along to some tunes :)
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That's not 6-APB.
 
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