The 6-APB thread

[Evad]

Question: what exactly is the difference between a pellet and a pill?

afaik "pellet" is just used so the chemical can still be sold as plant food/not for human consumption whereas pill implies it's for consumption.

This weekend me and my gf both took 1 pill each of supposed 100mg 6-apb. The effects were certainly pleasant and at times MDMA-esque (at its peak my gf likened it to like a decent dose MDMA pill) but after the peak levelled out to something that while pleasant just wasn't really "enough." For me the high never really got there but felt promising and I would certainly be interested in trying a higher dose but will wait until the bullshit has died down and some trustworthy powder is available.
It didn't really compare at all to MDA for me, there was very little in the way of a rush and it felt more mild, warm and serotonergic like a small/medium dose of MDMA. I experienced very little at all in the way of visual effects, some mild outline visual disturbances on the comeup but then nothing after that, certainly nothing similar to MDA.
All in all there was a pleasant, quite mild come up of 1-2 hours followed by a decent 2-3 hours of MDMA type warm empathogen feelings with some stimulation which mellowed out into a pleasant but a little underwhelming plateau (the night progressed and other drugs were consumed later so I can't give any kind of accurate description of the comedown/after effects).
I'd say the chemical has potential (if that is indeed what the tablets contained) but I will wait until the bullshit and hype has died down before having another test of this one.

 

[k.kat]

I did ask this elsewhere but im probably better asking here,

has anyone took any kind of antihistamines to get to sleep after 6-apb
does anyone think it would be okay,

my first time on only 1 from time of dropping to falling asleep was roughly 22hrs,

on friday i plan on trying 2 to see if i get a stronger experience (hopefully)
and im thinking i might be up for longer than that but even if its the same time im up for
i would like to be able to knock myself out especially if i still experience a mild hit
which is is a ripoff considering the comedown,

i wont drink alcohol as i never mix alcohol with drugs, i don't drink atoll anyway,
& can't get any benzodiazapines,

 

[JedTheHumanoid]

^hurrah, that is what we were waiting for. How was the jaw clenching? Can anyone direct me to guidance on what is a good dose of magnesium would be to take prior to a trip?

 

[Scoobysnacks]

I did ask this elsewhere but im probably better asking here,

has anyone took any kind of antihistamines to get to sleep after 6-apb
does anyone think it would be okay,

my first time on only 1 from time of dropping to falling asleep was roughly 22hrs,

on friday i plan on trying 2 to see if i get a stronger experience (hopefully)
and im thinking i might be up for longer than that but even if its the same time im up for
i would like to be able to knock myself out especially if i still experience a mild hit
which is is a ripoff considering the comedown,

i wont drink alcohol as i never mix alcohol with drugs, i don't drink atoll anyway,
& can't get any benzodiazapines,

i usually answer weed to this question whatever the drug lol, but weed with 6-apb after the initial come is very similar to when ya bake on whizz it pointless, i wd seriously try to find something to knock ya out before friday if ya cant ,i wdnt take two k.k

 

[Vurtual]

@jed - I found the teeth clenching pretty heavy at times; and the dry mouth which drinking liquid doesn't do much for.

@solipsis - As for a crash, i would start with the assumption that it does produce a similar mid-week crash to mdx (i don't think it was the magic bullet Nichols was looking for). I didn't notice one on the sample, but i didn't have much in one go. I did feel a bit irritable 2-3 days after the first proper go on pellets.

 

[k.kat]

^hurrah, that is what we were waiting for. How was the jaw clenching? What is a good dose of magnesium to take prior to a trip?

The jaw clenching for me was very painful my teeth & gums very aching
and my head was very sore too
i did sniff some poppers and i know they are sore head material but poppers headaches normally go quickly)
but my headache was with me throughout the long comedown until i took ibuprofen then i was able to fall asleep,
paracetamol didn't move it but maybe because i took one then another one half hour later,

Can't answer your other question

 

[Evad]

^hurrah, that is what we were waiting for. How was the jaw clenching? Can anyone direct me to guidance on what is a good dose of magnesium would be to take prior to a trip?

Jaw clenching was an issue (it is with me with a lot of stimulants) but not on the same level as mephedrone or MDMA, this could have been due to the (possible) low dosage though.
About 1000mg of magnesium 1-2 hours prior to taking the drug should sort it somewhat, we couldn't find ours!

 

[JedTheHumanoid]

Thank K. I'll be trying this very soon. Got plenty of benzodiazepine which should ease me through the comedown. I'd be cautious with antihistamines. They can cause urine retention and dry mouth, you don't really want to exacerbate those symtpoms of 6-apb.

 

[k.kat]

i usually answer weed to this question whatever the drug lol, but weed with 6-apb after the initial come is very similar to when ya bake on whizz it pointless, i wd seriously try to find something to knock ya out before friday if ya cant ,i wdnt take two k.k

I did have few j's but not weed, just council,
yeah i don't want to take them until i get something
not sure if i should DD or one at a time,

i do have nytol but just unsure if being antihistamine
it would okay on top of 6-apb

 

[JedTheHumanoid]

Jaw clenching was an issue (it is with me with a lot of stimulants) but not on the same level as mephedrone or MDMA, this could have been due to the (possible) low dosage though.
About 1000mg of magnesium 1-2 hours prior to taking the drug should sort it somewhat, we couldn't find ours!

Thanks, is this just any magnesium you can pick up at Hollands and barretts or do I need a particular type?

 

[Vurtual]

Now that some more established members are looking at this thread, are there any bio/chemistry heads who could make some rough speculation on what 6-apb may break down into in the body? (i did ask this in the earlier thread)

Specifically, someone earlier flagged up research into toxicity of Benzofuran (albeit in large sustained doses); someone else (Delsyd?) suggested that benzofuran and 6-apb are different chemicals and so it wouldn't apply. My chemistry is vague, but I'm wondering if this is correct, or if some biological process can indeed remove the amphetamine skeleton to leave benzofuran in significant amounts.

Any thoughts?

 

[Madaboutmeph]

has anyone took any kind of antihistamines to get to sleep after 6-apb
does anyone think it would be okay,

I have taken diphenhydramine several times on them and havent experienced any problems. Whether it is safe I dont know

 

[invert]

^ invert, you tried one of the original samples yes?

No, I never had the original samples.

Do you still think it is the same substance?

*shrugs* Obviously, since I haven't taken both the samples and the pellets, I can only speculate... It seems to me that the pellets, in my experience thus far, have at best weak entactogenesis and relatively strong stimulant side effects. If larger doses increase the entactogenesis without increasing the stimulant side effects, or if the original sample-testers happened to be peculiarly fond of extreme jaw tension, that might explain their enthusiasm. It seems to me that alternative explanations might include (1) the social (online) atmosphere of the initial sample testing emphasized the experienced entactogenesis; (2) the original sample-testers were relatively entactogen-naive, or at least had had a long break from entactogens, and were thus more sensitive to the entactogenesis; (3) the original sample-testers were deliberately hyping the chemical for some reason; or (4) the two chemicals were different. I have no opinion on which of these possible explanations is more likely.

 

[Torabora]

@ k.kat I use Doxylamine (antihistamine) to sleep after some amphe/methylone or what ever experiences, but it does not work very well when im on drugs.

If im sober a half pill send me to sleep for 12h+ like a baby. If i cant sleep because of drugs even 1 pill does not help much (but still it helps a bit, but sometimes it makes me very fuzzy when im awake again) so i would say you could try it without a big risk

 

[k.kat]

Question: what exactly is the difference between a pellet and a pill?

My immediate thought was that a pellet is smaller than a pill,

so googled & found this

pellet
[pel′it]
a pilule or very small pill.
Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.

 

[logical]

Hi,

have tested 6-apb or whatever it might be on saturday, togehter with my wife.

I have had 2 pellets, 240 and 280mg in size (definitely to small ). I don't belive that it was 100mg per pellet.

I am, male/40 years/176cm/around 70 kg and my missus 35y/ 174cm/~55 kg.
We are both experienced with lsd, mushrooms,mdma,m1,coke and are both
daily weed-smokers

Crashed the pellets ,mixed them together and weighted out 2 equal doses to avoid different amounts of the compound.

Start the experiment wthout great expectations

08.00pm: Disolved compound in a glass of water and swallowed

08.30pm: First effects were fellt, similar to the come up on mdma or m1
but it comes more in waves. The feeling is soft and warm

08.45pm: Waves getting stronger. need to smile. thought this could be a
good one.

09.30pm: Got one stronger wave with a slight rushing and reached the peak.

We give it a go for some fun between the sheets. That was enjoyable but not as divine, as with mdma or m1 (that makes us horny as hell).

After that there was a lack of everything. No euphoria, no entactactogen effects and maybe a mild emphatic feeling.

Then we were "nailed to the couch" for the next 3 or 4 hours feeling just odd.
we both ave felt very tired and were in a kind of dreamy state of mind.

Smoking weed helped us to get arround with that odd feeling we had.
Went to bed arround 01.30.am. No problems with sleep.

The next day I fellt realy destoyed and had a lack of apetite till 11.30pm the same day. Also a headache the first hours after wakening and mild pain in the kidney-area.

In these pellets must have been only a treshold dose of the anounced compound, compared to the first glowing reports with the samples.
I will never do this pellets again. May be in the further future when we were able to get proofen 6-ap(d)b, I will give it a try.

Please excuse my bad english. This is not my native language

 

[Turing Machine]

rather than being a mixture possibly including amt.

It is interesting you say this since these pills keep being described as having the scent of a hospital eventhough none of the listed ingredients or the original samples have this smell. When people first mentioned this I wondered if something was added to cover up the smell of skatole contaminating the aMT or maybe some aET analog they may have put in the pills.

That is helpfull turing machine. 9though the word shallow is rather subjective)
Do the reports/cas listing give details of reaction to testing reagents or a description of other identification features, colour of pure material, etc

I believe the melting point was posted in one of the many 6-apb threads, and was obtained from the full patent documents. Melting point testers were common in the cocaine trade in the late 70's to mid 80's even being sold in high times for a while. I for one would be interested if someone dug it back up. It's quite surprising as much money as people spent on these pills that no one is spending money on any decent testing. Someone really should send a pill in to ecstasydata.org They won't perform true quantitative testing, or even provide a list of synthesis contaminants, but if there's anything other than 6-apb in there, they'll list it in ratio to other psychoactives present.

Completely incorrect

proper mdma is extremely sought after at the mo, restrictions on saffrole exportation from the far east (or the fact that there's none left) are responsible for its absence

I don't buy it. First off it really doesn't take much oil from any one one of an huge array of plants to produce tens of thousands of doses of MDMA. Second off, without going too much into synth discussion, a well known procedure for production of MDA on an industrial scale incorporates heliotropin instead of safrole which is still a common chemical in the perfume industry.

IMO, the primary reason why MDMA is still available in north america is simply because the price for MDMA in the US is still high enough to cover production costs. People in the US pay $150 a gram for pure MDMA (only 6.6 150mg doses) The price people in the UK and europe are willing to pay is so low that without doing it on a massive scale or access to reagent grade MDP2P from a chemical supplier which was still available in Holland well after it was controlled in the US, there's no way someone can produce MDMA and make a profit. The availability of MDP2P from chemical suppliers is possibly the reason why the price was so much lower in Europe to start and this set a precedent for what people were willing to pay. Now, with the massive enough quantities of safrole being difficult to obtain in Europe as well and all old stocks of pre-controlled MDP2P having either outlived it's shelf life or already used, few chemists can make the industrial scale production demands required to meet the price people are willing to pay. MDMA production is still not extremely profitable even in the US. Those guys that were involved with Chapo from the Sinaloa cartel and was the case that put Hobart Huson aka "Strike" in jail were producing huge amounts and still never even turned a profit. I have the impresstion they were producing such large amounts that in order to sell it at a fast enough clip they had to bring the price down so low that they couldn't cover their expenses. On the other hand small scale chemists get closer to retail prices. This is perhaps one reason why mass produced pills often are cut with MDA, because it is cheaper and faster to produce.

 

[MrDoIt]

Apart from a few posts like the one above - This thread has become worse than the last one ;

1) People trying to be "Blue Peter" chemists when they havent got a fucking clue what they are on about.
2) People discussing the difference between "pellets" & "pills" (including Mods). For fucks sake - get a grip.

Just my opinion on this chem - it is definitely NOT the same as the samples - END OF. (Someone prove me wrong)

 

[GlassCage]

I revise my tentatively positive thoughts about 6-APB from my first dose of it, and am now rather less tentatively thinking that the side-effects seriously outweigh the fleeting and unreliable positive effects.

Other way around for me. After uneventful allergy test and an inactive 50mg sample, I rather optimistically took two pellets, crushed, swallowed with water. VERY rapid and unpleasant come-up after 40mins, an uncontrollable vomiting stage, full-on open eye visuals (similar to the plateau phase of an LSD trip, shapes morphing, wallpaper and carpets patterning and swaying, colours changing) closed-eye visuals included mental images changing from colour to black and white, objects changing shape and form, e.g. thinking about a girl and the image changing to an ugly witch).

Absolutely no euphoria, lots of stimulation which lasted for 26 hours, as well as a slightly elevated heart beat (around 90bpm) and very slightly raised temperature. Lots of agitation and anxiety. Extremely painful and stiff back muscles for many hours. Not nice.


Second attempt a few days later, 100mg, 50mg swallowed and 50mg plugged about 2 hours later. VERY different. Lots of euphoria, less anxiety, no vomiting. Very pleasant come-up, no visuals. Residual stimulation still lasted around 14 hours.

Moral of the story? This drug is very dosage dependent. A few milligrams too much can turn a good trip into a bad trip very easily.

 

[ragingboy]

I took one of the pellets, crushed up and mixed in to some water. This was taken at a festival over the weekend. Before I go in to detail, let me tell you that this stuff blew my mind. I mainly signed up here to follow 6APB and I'm not hiding that, this is my first trip report, and I hope it's ok

Male, 22 years old , 5 ft 11, weight around 160lbs.

Experience with cocaine, mdma, M1, 4MMC, ecstacy, weed and salvia.

I had eaten around 3 hours before ingesting 6APB, and had consumed around 5 lagers.

11:30PM - Dropped 6APB. I know this is late but I had a full night of dubstep ahead of me. In hindsight this was too late to be taking the substance.

12:30 - Watching magnetic man and really enjoying the music. I can feel it creeping up on me. Feeling nice and happy.

1:00 - The lights and colours are looking really intense and making my eyes go a bit strange. Purple dots floating around all over the place. A very pleasurable experience though.

1:30 - Magnetic man has finished so we move to the next tent to see High Contrast. When I step outside I notice just how buzzing I am. Nice stimulation is building.

2:30 - Now the effects are really strong and I'd like to just list them below... (note it took 2-3 hours to really come up)

Overwhelming happiness. Enjoying the music and lights immensely. I didn't notice any empathy however, or the need to have in-depth conversations and declare my love to everyone. This was a welcome change for me as I always find it embarrassing the next day. I found it very disorientating at times, but I was in a tent literally crammed with thousands of people. An odd thing that occurred was that people started to look familiar. I started to 'recognise' people, but of course it wasn't anyone I knew at all. This freaked me out a bit.

There were some strong jaw wobbles and eye wobbles. Really bad dry mouth and lots of licking the back of my teeth. Very much like a high dose of MDMA.

3:30 - Headed back to my tent early because some friends wanted to leave. I was still buzzing at this point, but was very content to head back to bed.

4:00 - In the tent things got weird. It took me ages to get in my sleeping bag which I found absolutely hilarious! I laid back and it felt like bliss. I was loving just laying there. I noticed then my tent looked huge inside, much bigger than it actually is. I looked at my hand and it seemed bigger too. I felt myself getting 'lost' in my tent a lot as I tried to sleep. I really didn't know what part of the tent I was in, which is madness as it's only a 1 man tent!

The effects lasted through till around 7am when I finally dozed off. I was still on it at this point, but it was wearing off enough to sleep.

The next day - My jaw ached a lot, and the end of my tongue was mega sore. Felt awful because I didn't have any sleep and it was really hot in my tent. I wouldn't recommend this at a festival unless you drop it in the early afternoon. You'd really enjoy the day and still be able to sleep! I felt sick most the day, like I do with a bad hangover from alcohol. This was a horrible feeling I wouldn't like to feel again...Bad comedown in my opinion, but I was at a festival and sleep was impossible due to noise anyway and you don't have any home comforts (shower, bed etc).

Three days later - Feeling fine. Still a little lethargic but that's probably just the festival as a whole taking it's toll. My tongue is still sore, and I clench my teeth occasionally.

Conclusion
I found the experience to be absolutely brilliant. I felt blissfully happy during the peak which probably lasted a good 5 hours. For me however, it lasted a little too long and was a bit too strong. Half a pill would have been perfection! I will definitely try this out again with a smaller dose.

People will look for comparisons to other drugs, and I'd have to say the closest I've come to this was with MDMA. 6APB misses the love and empathy for me, but on everything else it damn well delivers.

I'm still really tired, so forgive any spelling errors etc. I know there's more to say but I'm that exhausted I can't really think properly. Hope the above is helpful though.