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The 6-APB thread v. Is full of dummies

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tolerance perhaps from your previous experiences...

no thats not it, not had mdxx etc for 15 yrs since i married, just weed, only this yr ive taken roughly 2 grams of meph, a bit of shite coke and a few shit samples, 1 gram of mdat , mate not saying they dont make ya high cos they do in a forced kind of way, i have had no visuals apart from it being brighter, first two hours were great and i dont feel bad now, just feel sorta conned as in i feel its an up and down drug with no real middle, no depth to the experience, had a good craic and was high and i did enjoy it, if i could give a dose of mdma or an old e to everyone who has never had, the experience will be mind blowing in the best way ever, this really is a poor relation if a relation at all..ps peeps i believe posted here getting better experiences than me, just defo not worth the hype or money
 
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So scoobs, if you gave this 6 and MDMA 10 what would you give meph? I'd give meph about a 7 compared to a good pill but haven't tried the pillets yet obviously. Not a hugely scientific comparison I know...
 
this stuff is going nowhere if ya need to spend 20 quid to get high sadly, and even when a excellent quality powder( im certain there is one now), i still think this is NOT what was in the samples and if anyone says otherwise they shiiting ya

i have read every post of every thread regarding 6-apb, and us paying customers are not getting what the already jammy testers who it cost fuck all

I'm not shitting you (or anyone else), but it IS what was in my sample - the dosage may be seeming to vary per pellet, but it has the same effects (for me), the same taste, the same smell.

I'm trying to only post info now and not chat, but that is my honest experience. The pellets don't seem worth with the dosage lottery, but in my humble opinion it is what i had in my tan sample (is that 6-apb? that's another question).
 
Feel a bit depressed now. Need some new reports to start coming in to cheer me up! Wasn't Mr Doit dropping around now...?


Jed mate like i said peeps who also took 1 had a far better experience than me, all the irish lads did, but shit , irish dont lie hahaha.. all 3 irish testers had only one and were off it big time, just giving an honest account of how i feel off one taken orally, however ya get it will be nice mate but in my case thats all it was ..good

MrDo needed 2 a half mate, one didnt touch him at all, all the guys i KNOW here all commented on there weakness, im just happy i didnt order 4, re dosing or double dropping, i wd of done same defo and dont think the high, price wd warrant the stimmed comedown
 
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I'm actually feeling more positive about this stuff: when I listen to music, it really has emotional depth for me. This is a long, drawn-out empathogenic substance which I actually am optimistic has potential if dosed right. In that sense, it's the mirror opposite of meph in that it is not hedonistic, at least for me.

It's a stayer rather than a goer. This stuff has tremendous endurance, it's a marathon session. A very long drawn-out comeup and plateau. Music doesn't sound any different but I'm experiencing it with more emotional depth. This stuff feels wise, like it contains truth.

I still think my magical dose would have been two of these pellets based on the strength of what I had. But the issue I have here is that the doses are inconsistent both in terms of weight and distribution of active ingrediant (assuming it's 6-APB).

Doesn't feel at all like meph, methylone nor mdma for me or even MDA. It's difficult to explain but it's a long drawn-out experience.

I can sense I'm past the peak and am now experiencing a slightly drained feeling but not the sudden drop off in mood that the cathinones or mdxx's could give me. Whatever this stuff is, it doesn't seem to be effecting my serotonin nor dopamine as much which is why I compared it in some ways to the piperazine pills which were also excellent for music and were long, drawn-out experiences. I'm sure this isn't a piperazine though.

It's unique for me. It has potential but needs to be tweeked, especially at what they're charging per pellet.

But one positive thing about the pricing is that it will put off people being fiendish with redosing and reselling it on, so hopefully this won't wind up being banned so quickly.

It wasn't fiendish for me though. No urgent desire to redose.

One good thing in terms of physical side effects is that I normally will feel a dull ache around my kidneys or liver when coming down from mdma or cathinones but this hasn't affected me that way. No headache either. :)
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Think it may just fade away as people move on because of price on inconsistency?

Hmm, I think this whole pellet thing has been a quality control failure. I also think it's likely that QC problems have been responsible for the delays thus far. These issues aren't necessarily the fault or negligence of a particular party. Completely legitimate pharmaceuticals suffer delays for the same reasons as have been discussed here: difficulty scaling up the synthesis, inconsistency between tablets, poor bio-availability of product due to poor choice of tablet fillers, etc.

With pharmaceuticals the final product is almost always of excellent quality for several reasons that do not apply to the "BF" market:

(1) Pharma companies are bound to strict quality standards by law; screw ups are incredibly costly -- just Google for Johnson and Johnson recall if you want a good example.

(2) For novel products, Pharma companies usually posses patents and other legally defensible intellectual property ensuring their market exclusivity despite any delays.

(3) Pharma companies usually don't need to worry about sudden regulatory changes that outlaw the sale of their products; while delays reduce short-term revenues, they do not lead to a complete failure of the product and concomitant loss of investment.

(4) Pharma companies are likely to be better financed and more able to afford the measures needed to ensure quality.


In the BF market, (1) doesn't apply at all, and the concerns in (2) and (3) pressure vendors into releasing a product before it's ready. Essentially, the only motivation for releasing a quality product is the end-user experience. In the specific case of BF, a compromise was struck and the product was released despite unresolved QC issues. Users here bear witness.

What will happen is that the market will soon be flooded with pure active ingredient, having been properly identified (as 6-APB or not?) by another manufacturer. In all likelihood, the active was conclusively identified soon after the first samples were released, and the only reason we've not heard anything about it yet is because the manufacturer to be is intelligent enough to keep it under wraps until they've completely sorted out their scale-up and QC issues.

Trying to market this in the form of pellets was a bad move from a business standpoint and probably a harm reduction one as well. Perhaps the vendor(s) thought they could corner the market with the heavy branding and the pharmaceutical-like packaging. Whatever the motive, they were clearly ignorant to the complexities of the pharmaceutical business and in particular to the myriad of additional QC issues that can crop up with tableting. Now if they'd just sent the pure powder in those foil packs like they did with the later samples, it'd be quite a hit!

Hate to say this, but I think the vendors might have learned way more from this series of threads than anyone else, not that it will save the dumb ones in the end.

Alright, enough about vendors. Happy trips!
 
just up after 8 hrs really deep sleep ....feel pretty much spot on and there was another jiffy bag waiting at the front door for me....nice one i thought ,opened it and there was only one of the pellets i ordered in it meh.....they might have told me that in the email they sent me confirming despatch, my mate is not gonna be happy...

Funny that lol I ordered one pellet to try on sunday night as i was really skint. Came home today to fine a delivery note....

Just went to pick it up and guess what? 2 whole pellets and a load of crushed powder which could be another 1 pellet maybe 2 im not sure and no scales unfortunately.

So thats 3 probably 4 pellets for the price of one!

Dont worry beef tell your mate I will enjoy them! lol
 
Mona - did you crush the pellet up? As i started to come up after only 50 minutes using this method.
 
Did 0.75 of a crushed pellet 1.5 hours ago and it's very nice indeed.

I could feel it coming on after 30 minutes.
 
man scooby, last couple of days have been a blast mate, the countdown thing was classic, bless yer all involved (you know who you are, don't need to list a load of names), even though my work productivity has been zero:(, just glued to this thread, been fun,

hows your thirst? any dry mouth? has the weed improved the high?

weed must of helped but i cant get stoned and this top bud, hope ya get as high as some of the other one pillet testers got, im just gutted i cdnt give ya the same assurances mate
 
Yeh i've had some up and down feelings but always used to get those on MDMA as well...agree with you on duration as first couple of hours I was floored, whereas now I'm definitely on a different level - although I'm still feeling v nice !
 
Suggestion: maybe the mods could extract any useful from this thread and create a new B&D thread, with strict moderation. Then people who want to do live reports and chat could go on 'I'm Fucked Thread' or something (or make a new social thread for the purpose).

I don't want to sound a downer to people doing that (i did a bit myself the other day probably), but i miss having lots of wise-heads and moderators in the thread to answer questions (i think they might be avoiding being 'Bluelight Dummies')

/btw - sounds underwhelming scooby - bummer (but then i don't KNOW you do i...) ;)
 
I love reading these posts of you lot on these pellets, brings me up just reading about it.

I cannot beleive that for the first time in my life I have the will power not to take drugs that I have in the house.
Circumstances will be more favourable for me tomorrow or Monday.
 
Also has everyone had a headache from these pellets, is this true for MDMA also?
No headache for me on one (370mg total mass) pellet, split over two hours. I drank a small glass of water whenever I got thirsty, sometimes just sipped for dry mouth; don't know how much I drank total.

ETA: I am having to resist temptation to take another pellet or so this evening. I have a full day at work tomorrow, and social commitments from tomorrow evening onwards, and two days after last dose will probably reduce the positive effects; so I really ought to wait till Sunday... then again, I suppose getting some tolerance data wouldn't be completely pointless. [/weak self-justification] :D
 
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Two and a half hours post ingestion: I'm above baseline but am finding it subtle. One thing I have noticed though is that the room smells rank; perhaps the smell of the chemical is coming out in my persperation. Music sounds better than normal and I feel serene with more energy and enthusiasm but at least it feels reasonably smooth and 'clean'. I feel physically well. It's been two and a half hours since I dosed so I doubt if I'm going to get much higher.

At least I don't feel ill and should be fine for work tomorrow. Doesn't feel subjectively too toxic...no liver or kidney pains, nor even a headache which is encouraging at least from a safety point of view. Might dose on some pregs at about 6pm to ensure I can sleep tonight.

I was going to wait till next Monday afternoon since Tuesday is a day off for me but I figured if I took it early enough today I'd still be OK for work tomorrow. I think it will be less tiring for me overall if it means I can still get some sleep tonight. If i end up feeling rough tomorrow, I can simply have an early night.
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Thanks for asking after me! Seems like I'm getting an experience similar to yours at the end of the day. Oh well, at least I feel reasonably OK. ;)

But if i remember rightly from the days of EDIT Mona you were boshing BZP pills like smarties lol I read many a report of you taking 2 or 3 of those things and thinking jesus 1 would have me flying!!!!!!

Do you think prehaps you have a very high tolerance to these kind of things?
 
No headache for me on one (370mg total mass) pellet, split over two hours. I drank a small glass of water whenever I got thirsty, sometimes just sipped for dry mouth; don't know how much I drank total.

ETA: I am having to resist temptation to take another pellet or so this evening. I have a full day at work tomorrow, and social commitments from tomorrow evening onwards, and two days after last dose will probably reduce the positive effects; so I really ought to wait till Sunday... then again, I suppose getting some tolerance data wouldn't be completely pointless. [/weak self-justification] :D

I'd advise against that personally, my friend did the same and he said it was a totally different experience. Way trippier with much more intense visuals. Plus he hasnt slept since we took the first dose at about 11 am yesterday and has been feeling some rsidual effects throughout the day.

Might be alright over the weekend but with work the next day it might be a little difficult.
 
Suggestion: maybe the mods could extract any useful from this thread and create a new B&D thread, with strict moderation. Then people who want to do live reports and chat could go on 'I'm Fucked Thread' or something (or make a new social thread for the purpose).

I don't want to sound a downer to people doing that (i did a bit myself the other day probably), but i miss having lots of wise-heads and moderators in the thread to answer questions (i think they might be avoiding being 'Bluelight Dummies')

/btw - sounds underwhelming scooby - bummer (but then i don't KNOW you do i...) ;)

hey i totaaly understand mate, ya took your 1.5 and was very happy with your high, and i was buzzing to see ya buzzing, im not malacious, i dont post to offend, i have gave an honest account of my experience on one pillet, i do know what it feels like to be off it, and this stuff never lifted me to them heights :), people who have in the past have doubted my intentions have pm'd me since with support

ps this thread doesnt need moving as yet, peeps need to hear more reports , lets not sweep stuff under the carpet yet cos i didnt give a glowing report, i aplogise for that , ps when did anyone ever listen to what i say:P
 
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