The 6-APB thread v. Is full of dummies

[J-R]

This fiasco has really set a new level in the ability of this forum to be a marketing tool and if I were one of the respected members or owners of this site I'd be thinking long and hard about whether bluelight has outlived its purpose as a harm reduction tool. It's just a matter of time before some mod here takes a bribe from a vendor to push a new or dirty chemical to make someone wealthy. The world has gone completely mad.

i seriously hope that the future of bl isnt in jeopardy because despite recent events there is so much valuable information in these forums that really could stop someone making a huge mistake. surely in the current climate of more and more accessable highs its vital ppl have somewhere to find out how not to kill them selfs. the task of keeping things honest is not 1 id want tho and dont know how you would go about it other than stricter mod'ing

 

[marky123]

sorry mate it just seemed sensical lol, still for the coin they making i wd have them individually weighing the shit and filling the dies by hand , they got tons of dmc to keep em going haha

By the sounds of it some better packaging too:

 

[Sancho]

An update to my previous post. Is this enough for an allergy test between 2 people?

 

[dAZZLER]

On an HR note (get me!) What are the informed peeps thoughts on 6-apb (it that is what we have here) being taken along side stimulants such as cocaine. I would imagine that in general use this could be an easy and social occurance?

Personally I am not up to speed on the diferring chemical effects of each, what risk would this present?

 

[Scoobysnacks]

i seriously hope that the future of bl isnt in jeopardy because despite recent events there is so much valuable information in these forums that really could stop someone making a huge mistake. surely in the current climate of more and more accessable highs its vital ppl have somewhere to find out how not to kill them selfs. the task of keeping things honest is not 1 id want tho and dont know how you would go about it other than stricter mod'ing

maybe some mods need modding mate, i for one wont double dose these , had enough of jaw clenching , once more peeps experience "the recomended dose" i think ya will be seeing a lot of dissapointed peeps, so in all this its the vendors causing most harm, now peeps for whatever reasons know now 1 doesnt really cut it for a lot of peeps, so they want to be up there like us all so they pop another, thats where the danger lies, i dont blame our members , ya know what i mean by members! this shit has been engineered from the start and im afraid to say mislead by varying parties, in no way , shape or form was my buzz comparable to the same dosage sample, we were told one will do it over and over and between you and me it fails. So before ya make the members whipping boys , id focus in other directions, get the filth of bluelight and we wont have train wreck threads, which i have been a major poster, train wreck is what it is, it was habit forming watching this shit unfold, but i think we all no it not what was promised

 

[UYI]

Are the pellets stimulating in any way? Say you can control yourself fairly well on them?

Could they be compared to the control you have with methylone in any way? When you've taken one do you look fairly sober when looking in the mirror other than the huge pupils of course lol.

And to add: Is it comfortable being around other people who arent under the influence like yourself?

 

[Xorkoth]

The mods are fucking tired of modding this thread... we try to keep up but sometimes there is a new page every 16 minutes... it's so hard.

 

[Taoluo]

A polite request.

Any chance that some of you that have taken this/are currently testing will get round to posting a proper TR? This thread is starting to lose some of its usefulness due the fact that all are seeing at the moment is "I'm fucked", "Now I'm not quite as fucked", "Wish I was more fucked", "Should I put things up my bum?"

Please can we have a few proper reports with dosages/size of pillets, set and setting info, size sex and weight etc? It might help us gather a small amount of meaningful info and give us a guide to how much of of an effect to expect from 1, 1 and half or 2 of these pellets assuming they are of an average size.

Thank you,

As you were.

Since you ask here's my personal account of it. My word doesn't hold much weight though since I'm a complete newbie, but whatever.

Me: Male, 5'11, 12stone, little experience with MDMA (had pure MDMA once, cut pills a handful of times), some experience with other MDMA-like RCs (Have probably had around BZP+TFMPP and methylone around 20 times within the past two years or so)
Friend: Male, looks around 5'6-7, 14-15 stone, has an assload of experience with MDMA, speed, and other MDMA-like substances/RCs. Went on a 5-iai and MDAI binge the night before taking benzo fury.

Ordered two pills for me and my friend from separate vendors, one was well packaged and still intact, the other was just thrown into an envelope and I guess got crushed in the posting process. Didn't weigh them though unfortunately. I bombed the crushed one and my friend crushed his intact pill and bombed his too.

15 minutes since dropping, he's feeling in a good mood, I'm feeling nothing. Half an hour later, he's lost his initial good feeling, I'm still feeling nothing. We decide to pick mushrooms and walk to the local train station. 1:10hrs or so since dropping we're at the train station, friend lost all hope in it at this point, but I think I might be starting to feel it.

~1:20hrs since dropping, we're on the train, and I have a huge smile on my face, feeling euphoric and awesome in general, gradually coming up. Friend is feeling nothing.

~1:50hrs since dropping, we're at the cow fields. It's sunny and the field looks awesome, this field was made for me. I lie on the grass with a huge grin plastered on my face, not caring that I may be rolling around in cow shit. God damn, these cows look so cuddly. I want to be their friend. I slowly walk over to them, trying not to frighten them, but they walk away . As strange as it sounds to say, everything looks "3D" and fantastic. The feeling of euphoria is almost as strong as the time I did pure MDMA, although it's not as orgasmic where it's at the point that, say, touching a cat's fur feels orgasmic. Music is better, but not as much as it is on MDMA, but silence is boring so I had my earphone in one ear the whole time. No real stimulating effects, but walking feels nice and floaty.

At this point I'm so out of my face that I'm not thinking about what time it is or anything, but it continues like this until it started wearing off (although we left the field since there weren't any mushrooms, went home, and walked around a park for a while), around 5-6 hours since it kicked in. At some point, I'd guess around 2:10hrs since dropping, my friend had a few lines of MDAI and around 10-15 minutes later he seemed to be feeling almost as mashed as I was, and continued redosing on MDAI throughout the day, he thoroughly enjoyed it. I have a hard time believing it was the MDAI itself, I've only had it once myself but I certainly wasn't anything like he was. Maybe the mixture of 6-APB and MDAI helped.


Maybe I just got a good pill or something, the inconsistency of the reports is really strange. May report back again next time I try it, which I certainly will. Next time I'll weigh the pill(s) though.

 

[Scoobysnacks]

Are the pellets stimulating in any way? Say you can control yourself fairly well on them?

Could they be compared to the control you have with methylone in any way? When you've taken one do you look fairly sober when looking in the mirror other than the huge pupils of course lol.

And to add: Is it comfortable being around other people who arent under the influence like yourself?

no it not strong, but it constant when all the "buzz has long gone", bit like when ya ruin a quality e with speed

 

[Scoobysnacks]

Since you ask here's my personal account of it. My word doesn't hold much weight though since I'm a complete newbie, but whatever.

Me: Male, 5'11, 12stone, little experience with MDMA (had pure MDMA once, cut pills a handful of times), some experience with other MDMA-like RCs (Have probably had around BZP+TFMPP and methylone around 20 times within the past two years or so)
Friend: Male, looks around 5'6-7, 14-15 stone, has an assload of experience with MDMA, speed, and other MDMA-like substances/RCs. Went on a 5-iai and MDAI binge the night before taking benzo fury.

Ordered two pills for me and my friend from separate vendors, one was well packaged and still intact, the other was just thrown into an envelope and I guess got crushed in the posting process. Didn't weigh them though unfortunately. I bombed the crushed one and my friend crushed his intact pill and bombed his too.

15 minutes since dropping, he's feeling in a good mood, I'm feeling nothing. Half an hour later, he's lost his initial good feeling, I'm still feeling nothing. We decide to pick mushrooms and walk to the local train station. 1:10hrs or so since dropping we're at the train station, friend lost all hope in it at this point, but I think I might be starting to feel it.

~1:20hrs since dropping, we're on the train, and I have a huge smile on my face, feeling euphoric and awesome in general, gradually coming up. Friend is feeling nothing.

~1:50hrs since dropping, we're at the cow fields. It's sunny and the field looks awesome, this field was made for me. I lie on the grass with a huge grin plastered on my face, not caring that I may be rolling around in cow shit. God damn, these cows look so cuddly. I want to be their friend. I slowly walk over to them, trying not to frighten them, but they walk away . As strange as it sounds to say, everything looks "3D" and fantastic. The feeling of euphoria is almost as strong as the time I did pure MDMA, although it's not as orgasmic where it's at the point that, say, touching a cat's fur feels orgasmic. Music is better, but not as much as it is on MDMA, but silence is boring so I had my earphone in one ear the whole time. No real stimulating effects, but walking feels nice and floaty.

At this point I'm so out of my face that I'm not thinking about what time it is or anything, but it continues like this until it started wearing off (although we left the field since there weren't any mushrooms, went home, and walked around a park for a while), around 5-6 hours since it kicked in. At some point, I'd guess around 2:10hrs since dropping, my friend had a few lines of MDAI and around 10-15 minutes later he seemed to be feeling almost as mashed as I was, and continued redosing on MDAI throughout the day, he thoroughly enjoyed it. I have a hard time believing it was the MDAI itself, I've only had it once myself but I certainly wasn't anything like he was. Maybe the mixture of 6-APB and MDAI helped.


Maybe I just got a good pill or something, the inconsistency of the reports is really strange. May report back again next time I try it, which I certainly will. Next time I'll weigh the pill(s) though.

i hate to be seen to judge peeps , speciaaly new peeps, but once i read "The feeling of euphoria is almost as strong as the time I did pure MDMA" knew ya was lying, fook hugging cows and GTFO

ya cannot even begin to believe how far apart this and mdma are, this shit doesnt deserve to be ever associated with the only real deal again, at the dose i took my overall experience was good, nothing more

 

[Vurtual]

i hate to be seen to judge peeps , speciaaly new peeps, but once i read "The feeling of euphoria is almost as strong as the time I did pure MDMA" knew ya was lying, fook hugging cows and GTFO

ya cannot even begin to believe how far apart this and mdma are, this shit doesnt deserve to be ever associated with the only real deal again

Come on scooby - if he's a liar so are you - (they cancel out): And it was a comparable strength to me as well - ymmv

 

[invert]

i hate to be seen to judge peeps , speciaaly new peeps, but once i read "The feeling of euphoria is almost as strong as the time I did pure MDMA" knew ya was lying, fook hugging cows and GTFO

ya cannot even begin to believe how far apart this and mdma are, this shit doesnt deserve to be ever associated with the only real deal again

*shrugs* That was your experience. Doesn't mean anyone (including Taoluo, and me) is lying when they say the 6-APB high is the same sort of high as the MDMA high. Taoluo's experience sounds comparable to mine: i.e., it's definitely in the same direction as MDMA, but - at the dose taken - not as good as a decent amount of MDMA.

It's a separate question what the relative doses of 6-APB and MDMA are to achieve the same effects; and it's a question we can hardly answer when we don't really know the purity/dosages of the powder/pellets.

ETA: Where it differed from MDMA, from my one experience of 6-APB thus far, was that the ratio of jaw tension to pleasure seemed to be less favourable for 6-APB than for MDMA.

 

[Xorkoth]

Drugs affect different people differently, man, especially some. Who's to say how this affects anyone?

 

[dAZZLER]

i hate to be seen to judge peeps , speciaaly new peeps, but once i read "The feeling of euphoria is almost as strong as the time I did pure MDMA" knew ya was lying, fook hugging cows and GTFO

ya cannot even begin to believe how far apart this and mdma are, this shit doesnt deserve to be ever associated with the only real deal again, at the dose i took my overall experience was good, nothing more

Didn't he also mention that his mate had an underwhelming experience? Or is this reverse psychology - oooh clever, clever .......

 

[Taoluo]

i hate to be seen to judge peeps , speciaaly new peeps, but once i read "The feeling of euphoria is almost as strong as the time I did pure MDMA" knew ya was lying, fook hugging cows and GTFO

ya cannot even begin to believe how far apart this and mdma are, this shit doesnt deserve to be ever associated with the only real deal again, at the dose i took my overall experience was good, nothing more

No problem. I certainly wouldn't believe me either if it was just me and a few other newbies who'd just signed up saying it's comparable to MDMA, but I don't seem to be the only one.

 

[Hector_Techno]

What are you talking about? Unfortunately it appears the manufacturers had the same misconception as you and please try to refrain from stating things as fact which you do not know about. It is totally possible to accidentally press pills of different sizes by accident. Even if the dies are filled to exactly the same volume, variations in density in the material before it is pressed can make the pressed volume substantially different. This is the exact same reason one can't accurately measure doses of a drug without accurate scales BECAUSE VOLUME DOES NOT TRANSLATE INTO WEIGHT. Two teaspoons of the same drug, are almost guaranteed to have different weights. Now presumably they probably didn't even fill them to the same volume. The probably just wiped it over the die and squeegied the excess off. This would inevitably leave some dies filled more than others. Noone is taking measurements of their pills with calipers but I imagine that unequal compression is part to blame for the variation in size as well. If I were them I would titrated the material in a liquid applied to the filler right before pressing, this would've made the dosage the same even if the pill size varied, and they may have done this, I don't know but I doubt it. Pill size, pill weight and dosage are all different things.

I think these guys were in a rush from all the hype and demand people on this site generated. Since most of the people who are taking this chemical have shown themselves to be willing to take any pill of unknown toxicity and dosage, the companies just went with what you people would buy. Guess what? If you act like you have no concern for your own safety and well being in pursuit of a high, then your dealer isn't going to either, unless he/she is a good friend or a saint. Christ, eventhough what they're selling is likely dangerously impure I'm actually glad they released that stuff before working out the kinks in the pill pressing. It probably saved a few lives from all the people who've shown themselves willing to take chinese toxic waste and mixtures of banned chemicals badged with the name 6-apb. This whole situation scares the hell out of me and makes it extremely clear how the whole research chemical scene is a man made disaster waiting to happen. This fiasco has really set a new level in the ability of this forum to be a marketing tool and if I were one of the respected members or owners of this site I'd be thinking long and hard about whether bluelight has outlived its purpose as a harm reduction tool. It's just a matter of time before some mod here takes a bribe from a vendor to push a new or dirty chemical to make someone wealthy. The world has gone completely mad.

With deference to your obvious knowledge.........

All of the "pill" making methods will result in a pretty uniform pill (the dies press an equal amount of material into a set shape at a set pressure). As far as you make out, the difference comes from using different amounts / ratios of the starting mix, but adding the same pressure and using the same dies.

If the "pills" weren't pressed to the same density, the small ones would not come out of the dies as pills (not enough pressure to keep the mix tight and form a pill).

I won't speculate on whether there's the same amount of active ingredient (they could be using less filler / more concentrated mix), but it's either shennanigans, or refining the formula.............. 8)

 

[Scoobysnacks]

Didn't he also mention that his mate had an underwhelming experience? Or is this reverse psychology - oooh clever, clever .......

his imiganation sucks haha, needed to be far more subtle and conjective, sounded like my 9 yr old writing , mona, myself , mrdoit and a lightweight by his own words Fluffy were not impressed at the i pill dose. the 3 guys from over the water who tested one were off it, old geezers like me, , i believed them as i do , now i find there reports false or highley embelished, Virtual who i do believe was buzzing, but he wasnt off it i dont think, not like the 3 stooges, i liked beefy, more fool me , but i have to say one will never get you to that level, unless ya got a serotin gland as big as an apple lol

 

[cerebral_cortex]

i'm awaiting Xorkoth's report on this for final judgement...

 

[rwjh1979]

No problem. I certainly wouldn't believe me either if it was just me and a few other newbies who'd just signed up saying it's comparable to MDMA, but I don't seem to be the only one.

Comparable to MDMA in some characteristics yes, and certainly significantly active - but i know which choice i would be making if i had a choice between the two.... that said have enjoyed myself a lot today - I continue to have a strong experience on 1 pellet, have also found the 2nd phase to be a little trippy - and more so as time goes on.....

 

[invert]

his imiganation sucks haha, needed to be far more subtle and conjective, sounded like my 9 yr old writing , mona, myself , mrdoit and a lightweight by his own words Fluffy were not impressed at the i pill dose. the 3 guys from over the water who tested one were off it, old geezers like me, , i believed them as i do , now i find there reports false or highley embelished, Virtual who i do believe was buzzing, but he wasnt off it i dont think, not like the 3 stooges, i liked beefy, more fool me , but i have to say one will never get you to that level, unless ya got a serotin gland as big as an apple lol

Doesn't your logic assume that every pellet has the same amount of active ingredient in it?