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The 6-APB thread (Part 2)

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walkthedinosaur said:
On your first point, I completely understand. I find it pretty scary what some people are prepared to ingest in the name of a good time. The MPPP/MPTP and Bromo-Dragonfly examples should serve as cautionary tales to all! However not all Greenlighters are muppets and there also seem to be some pretty bloody silly Bluelighters around here, that was the point I was trying to make.

On your second, I have been known to throw a few shapes in my time and my dancing has been likened to to the walk of a drunk Tyrannosuarus Rex, hence the name.
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You've just proven in 2 posts to be a lot more savvy than many others; fair to say Dekos post is not aimed at you or the like.
 
mugabe said:
There was a printed letter that came with the sample, We were told it was 200mg though as it was for me and my fiance, so it probably was only 100mg for you.

The second sample was a hell of a lot better for me too, I think it may have been because of the synth though.
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I may be wrong but Im pretty sure both my samples were from the new improved synth. The only difference ( I believe ) was the dosage. Just wish I knew which one was actually 100mg. I still have a feeling they cocked up first time and sent me 200mg, even double dropping good MDMA pills in 1999 didnt knock me as hard as that 1st sample did. Whereas the 2nd time round it was more of a smooth ride with similar but much less pronounced effects. It seems from an email I have recieved today that I have mannaged to secure another sample from yet another one of the big '5', will be interesting to see how it stacks up against the first two, just hope it turns up for the weekend :)
 
this is what I got with marquis with one of the lots of capsules that are described as being one of the "bunk" batches. fizzled to start. quite a bit later after taking the photo the whole thing is pretty black obviously with the filler unreacted. had too much coffee today so the antishake thing was having none of it so had to use a tripod, that's why the angle's a bit odd compared to the other photo's I've done with reagents.

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and much later
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sadly because of the vagaries of auto-white balance neither are 100% representitive. the top one looks a bit pink and the bottom looks a bit yellow

edit: worth noting I ordered them before the weekend, prior to the discovery from others that they were bunk, but these ones were actually sent yesterday.
 
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chasing_s said:
this is what I got with marquis with one of the lots of capsules that are described as being one of the "bunk" batches. fizzled to start. quite a bit later after taking the photo the whole thing is pretty black obviously with the filler unreacted. had too much coffee today so the antishake thing was having none of it so had to use a tripod, that's why the angle's a bit odd compared to the other photo's I've done with reagents.



sadly because of the vagaries of auto-white balance neither are 100% representitive. the top one looks a bit pink and the bottom looks a bit yellow
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Was this the clear or red caps?
 
chasing_s said:
this is what I got with marquis with one of the lots of capsules that are described as being one of the "bunk" batches.
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What do you think that means? That there is some 6-apb in there or not? I've got some caps arriving tomoro I think. I ordered friday, sent monday... Was before I read this thread!
 
reds, I'll edit to add if you want. they are extremely fragile capsules, trying to open one to get the contents out it shattered, so no wonder other peoples were getting smashed in the post. I wonder if that's a vegcap vs gelcap thing. I've opened loads of gelcaps for one reason or another previously and not had one split.

drivensnow, it means nothing more than there's something that turns marquis black. I know that's very bet hedgy but that is really the only interpretation I can give.
 
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hey guys:)

just thought maybe we can clarify a few points regarding how 6-apdb

first and foremost i can find only one reference to Dr. David Nichols 6-apdb, that is the wiki link first posted around may this year, every other reference i can find is linked to research chem vendors pages and forums, wonder why that is? i can find no indedpendant reference to 6-apdb apart from the wiki page and we all know anyone can post to wiki

i have emailed hiis university asking for clarification of this, you can also do the same

http://www.purdue.edu



secondly the first two testers of benzo, actually posted in a thread titled 6-apdb not 6-apb, both testers said they were testing 6-apdb, how did they know that the sample was 6-apb, did there vendor inform them off this? and if that is the case why was the thread name changed to 6-apb shortly afterwards and the testers informed us it is in actual fact 6-apb, can someone explain how they came to this conclusion, was they informed by there vendor it was not 6-apb it is 6-apb?

we know benzo is a brand new synth of a variant of the elusive 6-apdb, first time it ever appeared as a research chemical was when the big 5 and there european vendor first made it around may also, so it goes without saying that this can never be independantly tested as there is nothing to compare it with, so we have to take the vendors word for it!!

now i hope you can see this is not a rant and is just a rightful query to mine and other members and potential paying customers concerns

all the best
 
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chasing_s said:
drivensnow, it means nothing more than there's something that turns marquis black. I know that's very bet hedgy but that is really the only interpretation I can give.
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How come people are saying to test it then? :? If it's a new chem that most people haven't seen yet how do they know it should turn black? Is that because it's related to MDA or something?
 
this thread has a number of different things that were tested with marquis, mandelin and mecke reagents. in that thread 6-apb turned marquis black/dark blue. an interpretation of my result could be that it has 6-apb in it. however it's not possible to be 100% categorical about what is contained in things on the basis of reagent testing. particularly based on just one test on it's own, my mecke and mandelin I think are off that's why I didn't bother with them. it was however interesting to see that I did indeed get a black reaction with these particular capsules when others appeared to not have, unless my memory is serving me wrongly.
 
chasing_s said:
this thread has a number of different things that were tested with marquis, mandelin and mecke reagents. in that thread 6-apb turned marquis black/dark blue. an interpretation of my result could be that it has 6-apb in it. however it's not possible to be 100% categorical about what is contained in things on the basis of reagent testing. particularly just one test on it's own.
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Thanks will have a look at that thread
 
all i am trying to get across is the only person who truly knows the substance is the vendors, they say it 6-apb and we cant verify or unverify this, no one can, so should we take the word of a bunch of ex meph sellers?
 
Scoobysnacks said:
hey guys:)

just thought maybe we can clarify a few points regarding how 6-apdb

first and foremost i can find only one reference to Dr. David Nichols 6-apdb, that is the wiki link first posted around may this year, every other reference i can find is linked to research chem vendors pages and forums, wonder why that is? i can find no indedpendant reference to 6-apdb apart from the wiki page and we all know anyone can post to wiki

i have emailed the good doctor asking for clarification of this, you can also do the same

http://www.mcmp.purdue.edu/faculty/?uid=drdave

secondly the first two testers of benzo, actually posted in a thread titled 6-apdb not 6-apb, both testers said they were testing 6-apdb, how did they know that the sample was 6-apb, did there vendor inform them off this? and if that is the case why was the thread name changed to 6-apb shortly afterwards and the testers informed us it is in actual fact 6-apb, can someone explain how they came to this conclusion, was they informed by there vendor it was not 6-apb it is 6-apb?

we know benzo is a brand new synth of a variant of the elusive 6-apdb, first time it ever appeared as a research chemical was when the big 5 and there european vendor first made it around may also, so it goes without saying that this can never be independantly tested as there is nothing to compare it with, so we have to take the vendors word for it!!

now i hope you can see this is not a rant and is just a rightful query to mine and other members and potential paying customers concerns

all the best
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I have been reading BL for a while but have never posted before. I find the ignorance and disinformation in this and most of your other posts worrying. Whilst there is a lot of stupidity going on in this thread you seem to take it to new levels. I cannot decide whether you a disingenuous vendor or an ignorant moron, although I am leaning towards the latter.

It does not go without saying that this can never be independently tested and we do not have to take the vendors word for it. We know the structure of 6-apb molecule, using gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (GC-MS) a knowledgeable person can determine with a reasonable probability whether a substance contains 6-apb or not, even without a reference sample. GC-MS is not random, it produces predictable results based on the structure of the molecule. Admittedly it might not be so easy to tell 6-apd from 6-apdb but at the very least it can confirm that something is not 6-apb, if it is very clearly something else.

Having said all that I just want to make sure EVERYONE understands this would only tell us if something is 6-apb, not whether 6-apb is safe. However if we know what is being tested in a tr then at least if the poster says "it made my cock fall off and i can no longer taste strawberries" we know to steer clear. That is the whole point of harm reduction.

First post rant over :\
 
JackHereruk said:
I have been reading BL for a while but have never posted before. I find the ignorance and disinformation in this and most of your other posts worrying. Whilst there is a lot of stupidity going on in this thread you seem to take it to new levels. I cannot decide whether you a disingenuous vendor or an ignorant moron, although I am leaning towards the latter.

It does not go without saying that this can never be independently tested and we do not have to take the vendors word for it. We know the structure of 6-apb molecule, using gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (GC-MS) a knowledgeable person can determine with a reasonable probability whether a substance contains 6-apb or not, even without a reference sample. GC-MS is not random, it produces predictable results based on the structure of the molecule. Admittedly it might not be so easy to tell 6-apd from 6-apdb but at the very least it can confirm that something is not 6-apb, if it is very clearly something else.

Having said all that I just want to make sure EVERYONE understands this would only tell us if something is 6-apb, not whether 6-apb is safe. However if we know what is being tested in a tr then at least if the poster says "it made my cock fall off and i can no longer taste strawberries" we know to steer clear. That is the whole point of harm reduction.

First post rant over :\
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you joined only two days ago, thats not a while lol
 
JackHereruk said:
I have been reading BL for a while but have never posted before. I find the ignorance and disinformation in this and most of your other posts worrying. Whilst there is a lot of stupidity going on in this thread you seem to take it to new levels. I cannot decide whether you a disingenuous vendor or an ignorant moron, although I am leaning towards the latter.

It does not go without saying that this can never be independently tested and we do not have to take the vendors word for it. We know the structure of 6-apb molecule, using gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (GC-MS) a knowledgeable person can determine with a reasonable probability whether a substance contains 6-apb or not, even without a reference sample. GC-MS is not random, it produces predictable results based on the structure of the molecule. Admittedly it might not be so easy to tell 6-apd from 6-apdb but at the very least it can confirm that something is not 6-apb, if it is very clearly something else.

Having said all that I just want to make sure EVERYONE understands this would only tell us if something is 6-apb, not whether 6-apb is safe. However if we know what is being tested in a tr then at least if the poster says "it made my cock fall off and i can no longer taste strawberries" we know to steer clear. That is the whole point of harm reduction.

First post rant over :\
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Welcome to BL :)
 
chasing_s said:
drivensnow, it means nothing more than there's something that turns marquis black. I know that's very bet hedgy but that is really the only interpretation I can give.
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We do have positive trip reports of some substance that turns marquis black, if what you have got turns it yellow, or green or doesn't react, you have not got the same chemical, whatever it may be.
 
i was just tasting the contents of my "6-apb"red capsules that i got ripped off for. it tastes just like a blackcurrent beechams cold or flu remedy. you know, the one you put in a cup and add boiling water. what a cunt.
 
chasing_s said:
scooby you can get nicols' paper on benzofurans if you want. It's been posted, I'm fairly sure somewhere previously but here it is again "Synthesis and pharmacological examination of benzofuran, indan, and tetralin analogues of 3,4-(methylenedioxy)amphetamine"

6-apb would be the more mysterious one to be honest, though it seems as though Lilly have a patent for it.
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no mention of 6-apdb is in that paper,only benzofurans in general, guys get googling and try to find an independant link for nichols and 6-apdb, other than the wiki pge made at time of benzo being made public, the rest are from vendors and forums
 
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