The 6-APB (that may be 6-APDB but probably isn't) Train Wreck of a Thread

[Harambulus]

^what a self righteous load of codswallop!

 

[blobbymahn]

Your well trusted vendor is feeding you a line.......

Rant Over !!!!

See where you're coming from, but I don't agree in the slightest. These guys are out to make money, plain and simple.

 

[EFC18]

Your well trusted vendor is feeding you a line....... your very quick to pass your poorly informed judgments. Those who actually have samples to give away are telling everyone its going to be the end of the month and £10 start for 1 pellet, those that dont have any samples say next week and £25 a gram so, who do you think knows what they are talking about ???.

All this rubbish talked about the price, what a bunch of idiots so many of you are turning out to be...... Some genius of a chemist looks very closely at the good points people enjoy in recreational substance, works out how to create an amazing new compound that will be legal throughout the world, provide the good points and design out the negative as much as possible ( no desire to re-dose, 1 dose is all you need, minimal comedown, seemingly minimal neurological damage etc etc ), battles through synthesis trials to create the compound. Once the synthesis is completed then has to work on scaling it up which.... is a task in itself. Selects a network of vendors who do have morals and wont just lie and sell any old shit to those demanding products, Attempts to put some kind of control on the supply to make sure the quality product reaches the desired audience pure and undiluted and in a format that is least likely to be abused.......... you complain at having to pat £10 per pellet....... Im sure thats the price for just 1, if you buy multiples it will be cheaper...... Any one with a reasonable amount of intelligence will figure it out.

So, all you lot who are moaning about the price, stick to your crappy bzp pills for £1 each and scoff 10, 15 or 20 through a night and feel crap for the rest of the week....
Those who reckon their trusted vendor will be offering 6-apb for the knock down price of £25,..... I hope you enjoy your mdai cut with dmaa or naphyrone or whatever shite you chose to buy........
As for me and those with an understanding of what is what, we will be buzzing on the most amazing compound to land since MDMA and be happy to pay about the same price as 3 pints.

Rant Over !!!!

You're a complete idiot, stop trashing people for no reason. pmsl at your "rant" 8)

 

[Isaac_Hock]

I think inorbit is giving suppliers and vendors a little bit too much credit there, to be honest.

Anyway, I did 125mg last night (100mg initial dose and 25mg booster a few hours later.) Builds up quite gradually, comes on smoothly and steadily. Slight queasiness on the come up but nothing major and only lasted a few minutes.

Two hours in I was a gurning mess. A very wonderful feeling indeed, definitely comparable to MDMA. The peak lasted a few hours and then it dropped off very (and I mean very) gradually. Put it this way I did the first dose at 5pm and was still mashed at 5am.

Unlike most people I didn't really get any psychedelic visuals. A little fuzziness around the edges of my vision and that was it. But the stuff feels so good I think I can live without the visuals.

No come-down to speak of. I feel a bit tired today due to sleeping very fitfully (as would be expected) but apart from that, nothing.

Great stuff.

 

[Harambulus]

Good insights isaac.

How would you compare the comedown to clean MDMA vs mephedrone- psychologically plus body load?

It'd help me get a better idea comparing to drugs I already tried.

For instance even the cleanest MDMA I've had would still leave me with quite a shit hangover the next day or two.

Meph on the other hand, although the immediate comedown was shit (that sudden loss of euphoria- more frustration and despair than anything), the body load aspect I thought was quite light (not talking about several day benders but one 250mg bomb). I.e. If I'd done some in the evening I could easily sleep and be right (pretty much) as rain the next morning.

As 6pb lasts so much longer than both I'm imagining it might be more (equivalently) on the MDMA comedown side.

What's your (and other's) take?

 

[Turing Machine]

I find it odd that people are already implying that somehow 6-apdb is inferior to 6-apb. Noone has taken 6-apdb as far as I know, and imo 6-apdb shows more promise than any MDX compound released to the online recreational RC market. It's also very possible the two would be difficult to discern.

I'm also still not entirely convinced that what has been given out as samples is not 6-apdb. The vendor in question said before that the reason the deliberately lied about the compound being 6-apdb early on was to throw people off the scent. They also never named the compound as "6-apb" until that title was proposed on a forum. They instead gave a non-abbreviated chemical name which vendors are notorious for getting incorrect. Looking at the vendors site, doesnt give much confidence as well. So, what's to say that they aren't lying now about the name of the compound as a way to delay copying vendors, especially since they changed the name well before the compound was ever released, giving mimicking vendors plenty of time to catch up with their chinese suppliers thus reducing the effectiveness of their original lie?

The compound wasn't the highly demanded thing that it is now when they first named it as "6-apdb", and after that first trip report is when they really started to have the motive to lie about what the compound actually is. 6-apdb already had precursors, was known for its receptor affinities, and had been studied in mice by Nichols. I'm not arguing that I know either way what "benzofury" is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it either was 6-apdb or that most would have difficulty discerning the difference between the two. Looking at the vendors website, I have a hard time buying that they would be exploring new compounds that had never been tested for receptor affinities, especially when there's so many known compounds worth looking into. As was said before in this thread, both compounds are equally legal in UK law, and I don't see US law treating 6-apb differently from 6-apdb. So, what is the motive here on risking money on synthing 6-apb not knowing in the slightest if it had potential, when 6-apdb was sitting right there?

 

[fedoriow]

i never usually get bad comedowns from drugs, apart from 1 or 2 occassions, but 6-apb gave me the worst comedown ive ever had, obviously there was probably other factors that contributed to that, but i took 60 mg diluted in water, when it started wearing off, after about 7 hours, then i got increased stimulation, and my body temperature increased rapidly, i felt very sick, and had an immense headache. i took the drug on an emtpy stomach, but tried my best to keep myself hydrated. every1 else seems like they havnt had bad comedowns on this, but i guess every1 is different. the comedown lasted about 12 hours for me before i was able to fall asleep. as a note, the other times i had bad comedowns was when i diluted a drug in water and drank it down, maybe my body just doesnt like it that way, if i bomb, or sniff etc, i never seem to get comedowns, but that might not be relative, just thought id share

 

[Turing Machine]

there's only one manufacturer afaik... any others will likely be trying to synth 6-apdb

Well, one manufacturer is different than one vendor. Who knows how much markup the vendors are getting, I assume quite a bit. Also, the manufacturer and the vendor do not have any patents on 6-apd, so as DS suggested it's only a matter of time before other manufacturers start manufacturing it and bring down the price. Also as quantities being purchased go up, the manufacturing cost and the wholesale cost will go down as well. The last time I took methylone, 100USD per gram was as good as one could find.

 

[BigTee]

Your well trusted vendor is feeding you a line....... your very quick to pass your poorly informed judgments. Those who actually have samples to give away are telling everyone its going to be the end of the month and £10 start for 1 pellet, those that dont have any samples say next week and £25 a gram so, who do you think knows what they are talking about ???.

All this rubbish talked about the price, what a bunch of idiots so many of you are turning out to be...... Some genius of a chemist looks very closely at the good points people enjoy in recreational substance, works out how to create an amazing new compound that will be legal throughout the world, provide the good points and design out the negative as much as possible ( no desire to re-dose, 1 dose is all you need, minimal comedown, seemingly minimal neurological damage etc etc ), battles through synthesis trials to create the compound. Once the synthesis is completed then has to work on scaling it up which.... is a task in itself. Selects a network of vendors who do have morals and wont just lie and sell any old shit to those demanding products, Attempts to put some kind of control on the supply to make sure the quality product reaches the desired audience pure and undiluted and in a format that is least likely to be abused.......... you complain at having to pat £10 per pellet....... Im sure thats the price for just 1, if you buy multiples it will be cheaper...... Any one with a reasonable amount of intelligence will figure it out.

So, all you lot who are moaning about the price, stick to your crappy bzp pills for £1 each and scoff 10, 15 or 20 through a night and feel crap for the rest of the week....
Those who reckon their trusted vendor will be offering 6-apb for the knock down price of £25,..... I hope you enjoy your mdai cut with dmaa or naphyrone or whatever shite you chose to buy........
As for me and those with an understanding of what is what, we will be buzzing on the most amazing compound to land since MDMA and be happy to pay about the same price as 3 pints.

Rant Over !!!!

i also felt the need to highlight the bits that made me laugh most. my friend, you are extremely naive, stupid or both. ever heard of mephedrone? nrg-1? lol.

 

[zamzams]

Well, one manufacturer is different than one vendor. Who knows how much markup the vendors are getting, I assume quite a bit. Also, the manufacturer and the vendor do not have any patents on 6-apd, so as DS suggested it's only a matter of time before other manufacturers start manufacturing it and bring down the price. Also as quantities being purchased go up, the manufacturing cost and the wholesale cost will go down as well. The last time I took methylone, 100USD per gram was as good as one could find.

6-apb, but yes everything is heresy at the moment and no one knows for sure. the number of vendors still touting 6-apdb though and i know that that chem was available beforehand but then there were questions as to it's legality and there have been no reports of anyone taking it except for f&b's report of 5-APDB, and no you're right 6-APDB stuff may be better for all we know. i'll definitley try both if i can get them

any compound that can structurally mimic mdma or mda imo is worth the test in my book.

but 100usd for a g of methylone?! wow that makes all these shitty chems doing the rounds worth the money lol

 

[Vurtual]

i never usually get bad comedowns from drugs, apart from 1 or 2 occassions, but 6-apb gave me the worst comedown ive ever had, obviously there was probably other factors that contributed to that, but i took 60 mg diluted in water, when it started wearing off, after about 7 hours, then i got increased stimulation, and my body temperature increased rapidly, i felt very sick, and had an immense headache. i took the drug on an emtpy stomach, but tried my best to keep myself hydrated. every1 else seems like they havnt had bad comedowns on this, but i guess every1 is different. the comedown lasted about 12 hours for me before i was able to fall asleep. as a note, the other times i had bad comedowns was when i diluted a drug in water and drank it down, maybe my body just doesnt like it that way, if i bomb, or sniff etc, i never seem to get comedowns, but that might not be relative, just thought id share

I had some comedown which was quite long-lasting, but it never felt particularly icky like some (eg m1). Do you usually get bad comedowns off MDxx?

 

[fedoriow]

i used to do crystal mdma alot and never got bad comedowns off it, even found it ok to sleep on, on a note, at 1:20 today i took another 60mg of 6-apb, but i put it in a gelcap and swallowed down, its nearly 2 hours since dosing and im having no effects whatsoever

 

[feeny87]

Your well trusted vendor is feeding you a line....... your very quick to pass your poorly informed judgments. Those who actually have samples to give away are telling everyone its going to be the end of the month and £10 start for 1 pellet, those that dont have any samples say next week and £25 a gram so, who do you think knows what they are talking about ???.

All this rubbish talked about the price, what a bunch of idiots so many of you are turning out to be...... Some genius of a chemist looks very closely at the good points people enjoy in recreational substance, works out how to create an amazing new compound that will be legal throughout the world, provide the good points and design out the negative as much as possible ( no desire to re-dose, 1 dose is all you need, minimal comedown, seemingly minimal neurological damage etc etc ), battles through synthesis trials to create the compound. Once the synthesis is completed then has to work on scaling it up which.... is a task in itself. Selects a network of vendors who do have morals and wont just lie and sell any old shit to those demanding products, Attempts to put some kind of control on the supply to make sure the quality product reaches the desired audience pure and undiluted and in a format that is least likely to be abused.......... you complain at having to pat £10 per pellet....... Im sure thats the price for just 1, if you buy multiples it will be cheaper...... Any one with a reasonable amount of intelligence will figure it out.

So, all you lot who are moaning about the price, stick to your crappy bzp pills for £1 each and scoff 10, 15 or 20 through a night and feel crap for the rest of the week....
Those who reckon their trusted vendor will be offering 6-apb for the knock down price of £25,..... I hope you enjoy your mdai cut with dmaa or naphyrone or whatever shite you chose to buy........
As for me and those with an understanding of what is what, we will be buzzing on the most amazing compound to land since MDMA and be happy to pay about the same price as 3 pints.

Rant Over !!!!

haha i second that rant. before i got my sample i was slating the fact that the pellets wer going to be 10 each but now i have tried this stuff and realise how good and strong it is i actually think it is a good idea. i asked my vendor about this pish with 25 a gram next week and he's sure its going to be sum other stuff they will be selling at that and not ever 6-apb so if anyone wants to be silly enough to buy that stuff off of them then on you go but i know who im trusting and buying from.

 

[feeny87]

i never usually get bad comedowns from drugs, apart from 1 or 2 occassions, but 6-apb gave me the worst comedown ive ever had, obviously there was probably other factors that contributed to that, but i took 60 mg diluted in water, when it started wearing off, after about 7 hours, then i got increased stimulation, and my body temperature increased rapidly, i felt very sick, and had an immense headache. i took the drug on an emtpy stomach, but tried my best to keep myself hydrated. every1 else seems like they havnt had bad comedowns on this, but i guess every1 is different. the comedown lasted about 12 hours for me before i was able to fall asleep. as a note, the other times i had bad comedowns was when i diluted a drug in water and drank it down, maybe my body just doesnt like it that way, if i bomb, or sniff etc, i never seem to get comedowns, but that might not be relative, just thought id share

i dont think anyone else took it on a empty stomach. i bombed mines and it was perfectly fine..... ok i had slight problems sleeping but that was to be expected.

 

[jibbajabba3]

Got a 200mg sample which i split with a mate last night into 2x100mg bombs, got a generally nice mellow wellbeing feeling for about 6 hours but thats it no visuals or anything else. Bit disappointed really, thankfully no comedown whatsoever

 

[feeny87]

i also felt the need to highlight the bits that made me laugh most. my friend, you are extremely naive, stupid or both. ever heard of mephedrone? nrg-1? lol.

inorbit is right. what is it is ur vendor selling nrg1 2 3 4 or all the other shit going about? because mines aint and i doubt very much inorbits is either. our vendors clearly know wat they are talkin about while your beleiving any old shite that comes your way. 6-apb will be on sale at the end of the month in pellet form and maybe small bags of powder (100mgs-200mgs). so whoever is saying they are selling grams of 6-apb for 25-30 is having you on and is going to bump you simple as!

 

[Turing Machine]

Inorbit, I take it you've seen the guy's website. This "genius chemist" is either making his living selling "diet pills" and "sex products" or he contacted someone who sells diet pills and sex products as his first vendor which "has morals" and "doesnt lie". If only Shulgin had the ability to "provide the good points and design out the negative as much as possible ( no desire to re-dose, 1 dose is all you need, minimal comedown, seemingly minimal neurological damage etc etc )" or if Nichols knew exactly what made entactogens neurotoxic like your genius chemist buddy does, he could've avoided decades of research which still hasn't fully identified an SAR for neurotoxicity. If there's a chemist out there who could imagine an effect profile and just dial it in by stringing a few atoms together, he surely would make more money in the legitimate pharmaceutical industry than is going to be made by any one person selling one specific RC to recreational users, and would be patenting his own compounds instead of infringing on lilly's patents selling an RC which at some point will certainly be synthed and sold elsewhere by people who bypass him and inevitably be made illegal.

What makes you think this compound isn't neurotoxic anyways? I guess you can just tell it by how you feel the next day after one use? lol

 

[Turing Machine]

One thing that worries me about this whole scenario is that the people selling the 6-apb, may actually be hoping for it to become illegal eventually. I mean, if this compound does catch on well, and it does become illegal, the people with large stockpiles will make a fortune. Imagine the investment potential of buying ten kilos of MDMA in Texas before it was made illegal.

 

[feeny87]

One thing that worries me about this whole scenario is that the people selling the 6-apb, may actually be hoping for it to become illegal eventually. I mean, if this compound does catch on well, and it does become illegal, the people with large stockpiles will make a fortune. Imagine the investment potential of buying ten kilos of MDMA in Texas before it was made illegal.

well if they wanted it to become illiegal would they not go all out and start sellin grams for 10-15 so that there would be a good chance of overdoses and the like?

 

[Link_S]

inorbit is right. what is it is ur vendor selling nrg1 2 3 4 or all the other shit going about? because mines aint and i doubt very much inorbits is either. our vendors clearly know wat they are talkin about while your beleiving any old shite that comes your way. 6-apb will be on sale at the end of the month in pellet form and maybe small bags of powder (100mgs-200mgs). so whoever is saying they are selling grams of 6-apb for 25-30 is having you on and is going to bump you simple as!

Lol, its barely worthy of a response, when it comes to RC's everyones apparently an expert. I've been around long enough to know who's trustworthy & whos not, no the vendor i mentioned doesnt & hasn't sold NRG-1 or any other shite to hit the uk. Hes currently selling 4-meo-pcp which is of a very high quality, and would have no problem getting something custom synthed i'm sure. That being said, im not sure how hes getting hold of it, and i dont really care, but we'll wait and see if i get 'bumped, simple as'. Like i say its not 100%, but at worst he just wont sell it if its poor quality or whatever.

Just because a vendor gave you a sample doesn't mean hes trustworthy, frankly it wouldnt surprise me if this product was hyped so much on purpose. How many other RC's have been anticipated this much, and samples given out like this? from what i've heard the synth isnt even that difficult, but i'm no chemist so cant really comment.

Anyway enough speculation on vendors, prices and the likes, anyone else got a sample & tried?