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The 6-APB (that may be 6-APDB but probably isn't) Train Wreck of a Thread

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Harambulus said:
vendors/labs/tories/lizards lol, we have an Icke fan in the building.
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Is the *irony* symbol really needed? I thought this was mostly british posters /**IRONY**(*irony*)

Anyway I agree with the diversions... "5-ACD is the new yellow bentine"

Oh yeah I forgot, /*irony*
 
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Turing Machine said:
...At least from what I understand N-OH groups aren't covered in the new UK law...
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I've got nothing on the detail of your post, but I suspect (dread) the next move made in UK law will be a bit more wide ranging than adding specifics to the old list (ie some temporary class for unknown substances to legislate the web vendors out of business).
 
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Harambulus said:
You want dry eh?

Well; I wouldn't know anything about that.
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No, seriously though, I do like that Daivd Icke type stuff though mostly like a sort of sci-fi genre; me and a few mates went through a phase of planning and faking up (I mean discovering) pictures of the secret underground lizard lair beneath our local tescos (linking up to the council building, the masonic hall and the police station) (there was a lot of minty fresh ice drops around at that time...).

We wanted to (but never go round to) sending them to Mr Icke to see if we could get into his next book...
 
p-mo said:
For people with bladder problems- try running your hand under some cold water and whistling... seems to help me every time (with MDXX substances)..
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so you're that fucked guy in the club toilets who is pulling faces and blowing raspberrys whilst washing his hands ;)
 
No, seriously though, I do like that Daivd Icke type stuff
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David Icke drinks Special Brew (super strength (9%?) lager for the non-Brits). One of the documentaries on him has a great shot of him sat on a bench swigging from a can. By the standards of most folks who sit on their own on park benches swigging alky juice his ideas aren't that insane. I always put my faith in the word of any goalkeeper turned "Son of God" who wears turquoise shell suits and swigs Special Brew in the afternoon. Who wouldn't?

Even by the standards of this thread it's getting a wee bit off topic now though so maybe take the chit-chat to PD Social or EADD or summat. We love a bit of Icke in EADD. You ever considered becoming a Freeman on the Land? ;)

Back to 6-APB please. We're gonna have a big enough job clearing this thread up as it is :D
 
Shambles said:
Back to 6-APB please. We're gonna have a big enough job clearing this thread up as it is :D
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Yeah soz, I'll try to avoid the shell-suited one etc. from now on. In fact I probably won't have more to add to this thread now till I finish off my sample. (although the temptation to test how quick the tolerance buildup is, just in the interest of science...)
 
Out of curiosity, do the people who have tried this drug recommend it as a dance drug like MDMA or is it more a chilled out thing?
 
discopupils said:
Out of curiosity, do the people who have tried this drug recommend it as a dance drug like MDMA or is it more a chilled out thing?
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I couldn't really be definitive (see report above) about 6APB, but my leg was bouncing to the music and if in a club/party I would have danced - but maybe the slight psychedelic edge would make some people more inclined to sit and chat instead...

Lots of people complain that crystal MDMA isn't 'dancy' like the pills of yore (I don't though); and who knows which of those legendary pills were MDA or MDMA anyway (eternity notwithstanding)
 
discopupils said:
Out of curiosity, do the people who have tried this drug recommend it as a dance drug like MDMA or is it more a chilled out thing?
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i think you could use it either way. i could have been dancing all night on it if i had got to go out but in the house with some trance music was really good too. =D
 
Vurtual said:
I've got nothing on the detail of your post, but I suspect (dread) the next move made in UK law will be a bit more wide ranging than adding specifics to the old list (ie some temporary class for unknown substances to legislate the web vendors out of business).
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The impression I have is lawmakers are worried about making a law which is too wide sweeping and stifles what they define to be legitimate medical and biological research, hence the clause in the american analog law mentioning intent of human consumption and similarity in the activity of an already controlled substance. They would either have to greatly expand the number of licenses given to work with controlled substances and by implication the amount of oversight or make the law more specific in exactly who and what it is referring to. As we all know, there's a number of problems for law enforcement and prosecutors with regard to the american law and a large number of very recreational compounds which would be hard to prosecute under the american law, but it's really the only approach I can conceive that a government can go and still have a broad coverage while not bringing too much burden on researchers who do not test the substances in man. One thing that has confused me about the american law is, if a substance that is psychoactive but not known to be psychoactive is sold, even if it is an analog of an existing compound, but has no published scientific research detailing its en vivo action and is not sold as having such an action, does the substantially similar effect clause only apply to substances known to have this effect? It would seem that research about the psychoactivity of the compound in question would have to be conducted before a prosecution could be successful.

6-apb for example has no mentions of psychoactivity in any of the available scientific literature, and the only mentions remotely relating to psychoactivity are in Lilly's patent application for the compound mentioning 5ht2c agonism, and I could be wrong but I don't get the impression that 5ht2c agonism necessarily translates into psychoactivity.
 
Turing Machine said:
The impression I have is lawmakers are worried about making a law which is too wide sweeping and stifles what they define to be legitimate medical and biological research, hence the clause in the american analog law mentioning intent of human consumption and similarity in the activity of an already controlled substance. They would either have to greatly expand the number of licenses given to work with controlled substances and by implication the amount of oversight or make the law more specific in exactly who and what it is referring to. As we all know, there's a number of problems for law enforcement and prosecutors with regard to the american law and a large number of very recreational compounds which would be hard to prosecute under the american law, but it's really the only approach I can conceive that a government can go and still have a broad coverage while not bringing too much burden on researchers who do not test the substances in man. One thing that has confused me about the american law is, if a substance that is psychoactive but not known to be psychoactive is sold, even if it is an analog of an existing compound, but has no published scientific research detailing its en vivo action and is not sold as having such an action, does the substantially similar effect clause only apply to substances known to have this effect? It would seem that research about the psychoactivity of the compound in question would have to be conducted before a prosecution could be successful.

6-apb for example has no mentions of psychoactivity in any of the available scientific literature, and the only mentions remotely relating to psychoactivity are in Lilly's patent application for the compound mentioning 5ht2c agonism, and I could be wrong but I don't get the impression that 5ht2c agonism necessarily translates into psychoactivity.
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Well the problem with the US law is it's vague as fuck (referring to the Analog Act). Fuck you, DEA. However, you can consider any chem that might fall under the analog act that nobody's yet been prosecuted for to be in a gray area until they do prosecute someone (and hopefully you're not that someone).
 
Thanks for all the replies everyone :) I assume it would be safe to mix with a small amount of amphetamine for clubbing but I'll tread carefully with it.
 
^I'd imagine so. I was half tempted to throw some meph into the mix after the euphoria wore off but decided against it in the end
 
I smoked weed with it, made it very very psychedelic and not fit for public. I could imagine with a little speed or mephedrone it would be euphoric and you'd be more than socially exceptable with everything looking a bit more lovely.
 
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