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US Politics The 2021 Former President Trump Thread - I look very much forward to showing my financials, because they are huge.

WSHTF who takes the blame. It won't be biden, but rather trump, not obama or any predecessors. But this looming bubble has been building since 1917 I believe and further exacerbated by 1971.
 
Read my posts in context.

Kinda underscores my points made though. So that's the new and acceptable norm. I take it then. And just as long as it's nothing Trump or Republican Party related it's no big deal.

Actually and just thinking about all of this again: this is all just toxic.

I got one more post on the topic (which I interrupted to reply to you). If nothing else: it puts things into perspective insofar as the media (pretty much all) is concerned and what has been the result of all of the their bullshit. And then I reckon it's time to butt out. But read nice what's about to follow. And make of it what you will. It resonates with me though. But then again: I'm biased toward the source will be the retort (although full disclosure and one which I've made no bones about: there is 100% truth in that).

Good luck.
Nobody is saying it's not a big deal if they're rioting in Seattle they need to put a stop to it and make arrests accordingly. Antifa is definitely a terrorists group in my mind and at this point I don't even know what they're objective is. I'm not getting caught up in their madness, which is all they're trying to do. A small group gets together to try to pull the rest of America into their political unrest and bullshit.. It's not there(political support). It was 100 or so people, arrest were made and more need to happen if it happens again. I'm tired of these groups trying to puppet middle America into over reacting.

The problem is that we have fringe groups on both sides trying to convey widespread indignation that's not there and it's hard to tell who's, who and I'm over it.
 
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I'm sorry, former president who? :sneaky:
Looks like pillow-boy is a likely candidate to carry on the mass-hysteria/madness.
Man... please lors, give me a break! We americans are sooooooooooooo fucking stupid it is shameful. :confused: SHDH

Anyone following mr pillow head?
wonder if he has an account here as a "former" crack-fiend? Looks jacked on his infomercials to me..... 🤨

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Sorry if I shouldn't have brought ol' boy into a whasisname thread... maybe he deserves his own thread. HAHAHAHA
Trash this and start one?
Go for it.
 
I'm sorry, former president who? :sneaky:
Looks like pillow-boy is a likely candidate to carry on the mass-hysteria/madness.
Man... please lors, give me a break! We americans are sooooooooooooo fucking stupid it is shameful. :confused: SHDH

Anyone following mr pillow head?
wonder if he has an account here as a "former" crack-fiend? Looks jacked on his infomercials to me..... 🤨

Edit:
Sorry if I shouldn't have brought ol' boy into a whasisname thread... maybe he deserves his own thread. HAHAHAHA
Trash this and start one?
Go for it.
I remember reading that he was a crack fiend before his pillow scam made him millions ...
 
I'm sorry, former president who? :sneaky:
Looks like pillow-boy is a likely candidate to carry on the mass-hysteria/madness.
Man... please lors, give me a break! We americans are sooooooooooooo fucking stupid it is shameful. :confused: SHDH

Anyone following mr pillow head?
wonder if he has an account here as a "former" crack-fiend? Looks jacked on his infomercials to me..... 🤨

Edit:
Sorry if I shouldn't have brought ol' boy into a whasisname thread... maybe he deserves his own thread. HAHAHAHA
Trash this and start one?
Go for it.
hahahah the my pillow guy haha, he wears a cross in his commercials hes prob a evangelical jerk off
 
Nobody is saying it's not a big deal if they're rioting in Seattle they need to put a stop to it and make arrests accordingly. Antifa is definitely a terrorists group in my mind and at this point I don't even know what they're objective is. I'm not getting caught up in their madness, which is all they're trying to do. A small group gets together to try to pull the rest of America into their political unrest and bullshit.. It's not there(political support). It was 100 or so people, arrest were made and more need to happen if it happens again. I'm tired of these groups trying to puppet middle America into over reacting.

The problem is that we have fringe groups on both sides trying to convey widespread indignation that's not there and it's hard to tell who's, who and I'm over it.

The "antifa" thing is really bizarre. I haven't been following it recently (over the last couple years) but I've been following leftist politics for a while now, my politics are politics of the political left (although I've moderated some of my views as I've gotten older), and the phrase "antifa" has been around in left-wing discourse for a long time, at least as long as I've been actively following it (10-15 years)

Back then it referred to something pretty specific though...it was not a political organization...it had no membership, leadership or political program...rather, it referred to a tactic. The tactic was aggressively confronting fascists in the streets. That's what always amused me about "antifa" being described as a "terrorist organization", or wondering "who bankrolls antifa?"...maybe things have changed dramatically over the last few years, but back then if you punched a nazi in the face, congratulations, you were "antifa", and the idea of antifa being "bankrolled" is even more amusing...is George Soros giving someone 30 dollars in gas money so they can drive to a rally and punch a nazi in the face? lol

The closest thing to an "antifa organization" back then were groups like Anti-Racist Action (in the USA) and Anti-Fascist Action (in the UK)...but these were loose coalitions of anarchists, communists, moderates and liberals who were united in only one thing (opposing fascism) & would be punching each other in the face if they didn't have nazis to punch lol!

It was also much more of a "thing" in Europe, where demonstrations by far-right groups are historically a lot more common than they are here in the USA.



The popularity of the phrase seems to have really exploded on the right lately, though.
 
Antifa has become a right-wing bogeyman, for sure. Careful kids, make sure to go to church and eat your vegetables or Antifa gon' come get you!

The term gets thrown around to discredit things a lot. For example, Black Lives Matter, and the capitol riot. It was a bunch of good patriots with a few Antifa sprinkled in to start rioting, didn't you know?
 
Nobody is saying it's not a big deal if they're rioting in Seattle they need to put a stop to it and make arrests accordingly. Antifa is definitely a terrorists group in my mind and at this point I don't even know what they're objective is. I'm not getting caught up in their madness, which is all they're trying to do. A small group gets together to try to pull the rest of America into their political unrest and bullshit.. It's not there(political support). It was 100 or so people, arrest were made and more need to happen if it happens again. I'm tired of these groups trying to puppet middle America into over reacting.

The problem is that we have fringe groups on both sides trying to convey widespread indignation that's not there and it's hard to tell who's, who and I'm over it.

How can antifa be a terrorist group. If it's not a group?

Then again terrorism itself isn't a group either and somehow we started a war on it. So I'm probably asking for a bit too much literalism from political rhetoric. :P
 
How can antifa be a terrorist group. If it's not a group?

Then again terrorism itself isn't a group either and somehow we started a war on it. So I'm probably asking for a bit too much literalism from political rhetoric. :p


they ask trump to condeem his supporters violence but biden wont condem his suppoters destorying portland
 


they ask trump to condeem his supporters violence but biden wont condem his suppoters destorying portland


I doubt anyone in Portland is/was rioting because biden isn't president.

Or because of anything Biden related really.

"his supporters" seems a stretch.

But hey, if you want Biden to condemn all violent protest, I'd certainly be on board with that.
 
Yea. See thing is. The left isn't just a mirrored version of the right, at least not anymore.

There's no cult of personality around biden, and you're kidding yourself if you think there is. Most of us only supported Biden so strongly because the alternative was so terrible.
 
But hey, if you want Biden to condemn all violent protest, I'd certainly be on board with that.

biden already publicly denounced violent protest:

indeed, biden recently condemned that kind of violence at the end of august. he said "i want to be very clear about all of this: rioting is not protesting. looting is not protesting. setting fires is not protesting. none of this is protesting. it's lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecuted..." then "violence will not bring change, it will only bring destruction. It's wrong in every way."

pretty unequivocal.

alasdair
 
^ Thanks for pointing that out. Not that I expect people to actually register, since it's more convenient to go on thinking Biden/the entire left is just fine with the violence.

Yea. See thing is. The left isn't just a mirrored version of the right, at least not anymore.

There's no cult of personality around biden, and you're kidding yourself if you think there is. Most of us only supported Biden so strongly because the alternative was so terrible.

Yeah I notice the right keeps trying to make comments as if Biden is to us how Trump is to them. Just because people voted for Biden, it doesn't mean most people were excited about it. I'm well aware that Biden isn't a great choice. Actual "leftists" are barely happier that it was Biden than if it was Trump who got re-elected. Few people are under any illusions that Biden is going to save us. But he's not going to continue to destroy our alliances, spew lies and hateful rhetoric, or incite sedition, either, and he's taking the pandemic seriously, so I'm glad he won the election. Would have rather it had been Bernie, or Warren, or a number of the others. But any of them would have been better than the guy who will pretty much certainly go down in history, and justifiably so, as the worst and most inept president in American history.
 
left wingers have always been fine with violent terrorism all the way back the 60s with weather underground and other militas bombing murdering destorying the streets so anfita is nothing new. Just a bunch of woke pansys who want to watch human kind burn.
 
Hey where's your pathetic Civil War, wasn't it supposed to have happened by now? Or was that temper tantrum at the capital it? :D
 
left wingers have always been fine with violent terrorism all the way back the 60s with weather underground and other militas bombing murdering destorying the streets so anfita is nothing new. Just a bunch of woke pansys who want to watch human kind burn.

And now a comment attempting to associate the entire "left" with violent extremists.

Have you been able to figure out by now that the number of people on here who support violence from extremists on the left is zero? or maybe one, who doesn't post very often lately.
 
And now a comment attempting to associate the entire "left" with violent extremists.

Have you been able to figure out by now that the number of people on here who support violence from extremists on the left is zero? or maybe one, who doesn't post very often lately.

Yet on the other hand there seems to be a few here on the right who support the use of political violence.

But as usual, hypocrites
 
I notice the right keeps trying to make comments as if Biden is to us how Trump is to them.
Remember... we often see others as we see ourselves (more so with blinders).

Why am I just hearing about antifa? I been around all this time and seen a coupla conflicts but just learning of these people when I saw the thread of antifa being labeled a terrorist org. WTF? Seen it here for reals. Bah

As for orange-man (I do not wanna type or speak it's name), it needs to be held accountable for premeditated murder along with it's cronies that have of late are trying to weasel away. This is not a political view/statement: It is a judgement on a criminal issue.
 
Remember... we often see others as we see ourselves (more so with blinders).

Why am I just hearing about antifa? I been around all this time and seen a coupla conflicts but just learning of these people when I saw the thread of antifa being labeled a terrorist org. WTF? Seen it here for reals. Bah

As for orange-man (I do not wanna type or speak it's name), it needs to be held accountable for premeditated murder along with it's cronies that have of late are trying to weasel away. This is not a political view/statement: It is a judgement on a criminal issue.

I'm sorry but there's no chance you're gonna get a court to convict on attempted murder over the capital riots.

President or not, it just doesn't meet the legal requirements. It'd be a big hurdle to even convict on incitement. Because courts tend to defer to free speech and given every benefit of the doubt, and trump simply never told anyone to go lynch Mike pence or storm the capital. If anything his words were more to the effect of protesting peacefully.

Criminal charges over the capital riot aren't something I expect to ever get anywhere.

A better fight is with impeachment, trying to keep him from ever running again. Although that's gonna be extremely difficult too. Trump has smartly played his best hand on this, that he can essentially destroy the republican party for years to come. And is trying to use that to put pressure on the senate not to convict.
 
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