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US Politics The 2021 Former President Trump Thread - I look very much forward to showing my financials, because they are huge.

Back on topic... Trump's white house purposely made transition as difficult as possible, which is insane and dangerous, because the new administration needs to be able to hit the ground running in terms of understanding the pieces on the game board. It exposes our belly to foreign powers or terrorists who might be looking to strike in a time when the executive branch is in disarray. It's pretty profoundly petty and childish to sacrifice national security and healthy functioning of government for the sake of spite. It's another example of the nature of the man showing through, and more proof that he is not fit for the job.

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‘Really quite shocking’: Inside the ugly transition at the Pentagon

The effort to obstruct the Biden team is unprecedented in modern presidential transitions and will hobble the new administration on key national security matters.
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Xorkoth said:
We don't need to close this thread, it's fine, let's just steer back to the topic. Obviously people are going to want to talk about Trump still, he seems unlikely to disappear. Though maybe he'll be so embarrassed that he won't want to be seen or heard for a while.



Don't confuse an entire swath of people ("lefties") with an argument you're having with one person, who actually isn't even very left at all actually. You're demonizing like half the people in the world right now by saying that lefties want to blow up Aboriginal burial sites and shit like that.
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Yeah it seems weird that he's accusing me of being both a "leftie" while simultaneously arguing with me about something where I'm very much defending the conventionally right wing perspective.
 
JessFR said:
Perhaps we should just close it.
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That's a very Democratic idea! :ROFLMAO:

Give the man a chance to recuperate and get his mojo back and I'm almost sure that soon enough there'll be enough fodder to keep this thread going for the next four years at least.

And here's me trying to get my post count DOWN and exit gracefully!
 
Well apparently it's a bipartisan idea. Seeing as multiple trump supporters have accused this thread of being just a place for trump haters to bash him, presumably meaning they have no desire to talk about him either.

I mean it's that or trump supporters believe the only discussion of trump should be by his sycophants, but if they believed that that would make them very biased and hypocriticalll oooooooh. :p
 
Well hopefully it doesn't degenerate into something sordid and that forces its being closed.

Personal opinion is that it should be used in order to discuss his legacy and make comparisons as things go along now and without people laying into each other or being nasty. I believe there's lessons to be learned from what's happened over the last four years given how differently he did things vs. career politicians. And I'd imagine studies or books by others will follow. The last four years cannot simply be erased from history and forgotten about surely. I say that as an outside observer and not as a Trump fanatic or supporter per se.

As but one example:

I always used to think that politicians should be more in touch with the people and more accessible. I think Trump proved beyond any reasonable doubt that's not a good idea. I no longer think it should be like that as a result. There's an old saying: "familiarity breeds contempt". And his liberal use of Twitter throughout his presidency, I think, contributed to his downfall. Fine for campaigning (arguably). But once in office: that's the end of the line.

That's the type of thing I'm talking about (above).

But if fanatics start climbing into each other here: well they're only going to have themselves to blame for having the thread closed and not having anywhere to discuss Trump or the Republican Party (because one thing I know: those Biden threads won't tolerate massive off topic and reversion to Trump posts).
 
In regards to closing this thread because no one wants to talk about Trump, this thread will definitely continue to have relevance for the foreseeable future. As always, anyone is free to create a new thread to discuss any topic not currently covered in CEPS.

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I still can’t believe the Capitol protesters thought Trump would pardon them. The optics would be terrible from any perspective. Of course he wasn’t going to even consider it.
I think a lot of them will have time to reflect on their actions in the penal system.
 
cduggles said:
I still can’t believe the Capitol protesters thought Trump would pardon them. The optics would be terrible from any perspective. Of course he wasn’t going to even consider it.
I think a lot of them will have time to reflect on their actions in the penal system.
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and the protesters had dont tread on me flags and blue lives matter flags
oooooo the irony is so sweet
 
What's really sweet is seeing how fast trump threw those supporters under the bus as he always does soon as it served his interests.

Such is the profound foolishness of showing loyalty to trump. That he won't ever show loyalty in return.

And seriously how stupid do you have to be. To be at a protest screaming about hanging Mike Pence, a man who had been loyal to Trump and was betrayed the moment he stopped being useful. To be surprised that Trump then went and did exactly the same thing to you.
 
And we're back! Fuck!

How come is what happened at the Capitol building being laid squarely at Trump's feet?

Before everyone starts gasping for breath and has an an aneurysm: DEEP breaths, DEEP breaths, and then hear me out! :ROFLMAO:

Giuliani's rhetoric at the so-called rally in question was WAY more direct and inciteful than anything Trump said not? There's not too many different ways a charged up and fired up radical halfwit can interpret the phrase "trial by combat" let's face it.

Arguably: Trump should have called him out on it there and then and nipped it in the bud. But he didn't of course. Unfortunately.

Personal opinion (and I may as well delete all of my other posts and change my username and sign up as a new user after this I'm guessing! :ROFLMAO: ):

I don't think that Trump meant for things to go as far as they did. And I have, what I believe to be anyway, one or two valid reasons for saying this. I think it became a case of "oh fuck what have I/we done" when it all kicked off. As to whether or not it was practicable for him to intervene by that stage I know not. But there was a very different and almost subdued Trump that appeared after that and I don't believe it was just a show.

And let the record show that I basically stopped posting on these threads after the Capitol building saga because it repulsed and upset me as some will know. Point is: I'm not making excuses for those idiots nor condoning their actions or backtracking on my initial sentiments at all. But I've had pause and time to reflect since then.

Why does it matter now? Lessons to be learned.
 
Well for what it's worth here follows my logic and belief.

Trump is a patriot and loves his country and its heritage and traditions. Whether some agree or disagree on the merits of such heritage and traditions is beside the point for the sake of the argument I'm making. In addition to this: he's also materialistic and loved all the trimmings and the trappings that came with being POTUS. And for these reasons: I don't believe that he would knowingly or purposefully incite or encourage an all out attack on, or destruction of, a Federal property ESPECIALLY not the Capitol building and if for no other reason than what such building meant to HIM and IT in and of ITSELF represents.

So I don't think, therefore, that he threw anybody under the bus by not pardoning them for their behavior.

Meanwhile and in other news (which just came to my attention)...



Surprised it's not on the Biden thread yet.
 
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Most Republicans have distanced themselves from Greene prior to all of this. She is completely delusional, a byproduct of what Trump has allowed to happen to the Republican party.
 
dalpat077 said:
And we're back! Fuck!

How come is what happened at the Capitol building being laid squarely at Trump's feet?

Before everyone starts gasping for breath and has an an aneurysm: DEEP breaths, DEEP breaths, and then hear me out! :ROFLMAO:

Giuliani's rhetoric at the so-called rally in question was WAY more direct and inciteful than anything Trump said not? There's not too many different ways a charged up and fired up radical halfwit can interpret the phrase "trial by combat" let's face it.

Arguably: Trump should have called him out on it there and then and nipped it in the bud. But he didn't of course. Unfortunately.

Personal opinion (and I may as well delete all of my other posts and change my username and sign up as a new user after this I'm guessing! :ROFLMAO: ):

I don't think that Trump meant for things to go as far as they did. And I have, what I believe to be anyway, one or two valid reasons for saying this. I think it became a case of "oh fuck what have I/we done" when it all kicked off. As to whether or not it was practicable for him to intervene by that stage I know not. But there was a very different and almost subdued Trump that appeared after that and I don't believe it was just a show.

And let the record show that I basically stopped posting on these threads after the Capitol building saga because it repulsed and upset me as some will know. Point is: I'm not making excuses for those idiots nor condoning their actions or backtracking on my initial sentiments at all. But I've had pause and time to reflect since then.

Why does it matter now? Lessons to be learned.
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Because Trump was President and it was his lie that the outcome of the election was fraudulent that motivated the capital riots but more importantly the actual defense of those capital protesters being arrested is that Trump told them to do it. They(MAGA protesters) are laying the blame at Trump's feet.
 
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alasdairm said:
tangentially related: The Biden inauguration breaks QAnon
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It's been a little entertaining, to say the least, among the sites where I have conservative friends, to listen to the kooks heads explode. I will say that has been enjoyable, much moreso than the 'just wait...its gonna be big' endless teases that didn't materialize.

cduggles said:
I still can’t believe the Capitol protesters thought Trump would pardon them.
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Really? I fail to see where any cognitive power was at work with the morons that broke in. None.
 
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