The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

[spacejunk]

Yeah so how many new wars has he started?
For myself personally that's a performance indicator, you are either stubbornly unwilling to accept this as a positive or you consider starting wars the sign of "a pretty good president".

Trump's not a good president, he's a fucking moron.

A fucking moron who is fucking with things he does not understand, and yes - a massive threat to peace.
Trump doesn't give a fuck who he burns or double-crosses. He never has - he's not an honourable man - he's a greedy, narcissistic fool.

People don't distrust trump because of "bias" - it's his lack of integrity, lack of comprehension, and total disregard for humanity that bothers people.

This isn't the way leaders communicate;

 

[Captain.Heroin]

This isn't the way leaders communicate

If George W would have invaded Iran I'd have cheered for it then, and I'll cheer for Trump to do it now.

If he gets us into another war it might get him re-elected. Iran's regime is evil and it's only a matter of time and who's going to do it until it falls forever.

Guys, if you want to make Trump look like a bad guy, you literally have tens of thousands of better points to yell at him over. Some of us want the Axis of Evil to die. Got to love W's words.

 

[aihfl]

^ Fuck no. Because Iraq turned out so well for us. Although it is apples and oranges. We were idiots to topple Saddam Hussein because he was a secular dictator that kept religious extremists in check, whereas Iran is run by religious extremists. But the religious extremists are there because we propped up a corrupt dictator for decades. I say no more Middle East/Central Asia adventures.

 

[Roger&Me]

People don't distrust trump because of "bias" - it's his lack of integrity, lack of comprehension, and total disregard for humanity that bothers people.

I'm also not quite sure why it's a bad thing to be biased against Trump. He's a giant asshole who consistently treats people like shit and he's also just generally terrible at his job (I don't know what you'd even call what he does, but presidenting it is not). Honestly, it's insane not to be biased against him. He's done everything he possibly can to prove that he's an untrustworthy douchebag.

 

[mal3volent]

If George W would have invaded Iran I'd have cheered for it then, and I'll cheer for Trump to do it now.

If he gets us into another war it might get him re-elected. Iran's regime is evil and it's only a matter of time and who's going to do it until it falls forever.

Guys, if you want to make Trump look like a bad guy, you literally have tens of thousands of better points to yell at him over. Some of us want the Axis of Evil to die. Got to love W's words.

I thought you were libertarian?

 

[Xorkoth]

I'm also not quite sure why it's a bad thing to be biased against Trump. He's a giant asshole who consistently treats people like shit and he's also just generally terrible at his job (I don't know what you'd even call what he does, but presidenting it is not). Honestly, it's insane not to be biased against him. He's done everything he possibly can to prove that he's an untrustworthy douchebag.

Agreed, the Trump apologists truly baffle me. It's like, open your eyes, just observe the guy. Everything about him, his body language, his words, his facial expressions, and his actions screams "I'm a narcissistic sociopath who has no idea what I'm doing". History is going to look back on this with extreme embarrassment. The rest of the world already does.

 

[JessFR]

Trump's not a good president, he's a fucking moron.

A fucking moron who is fucking with things he does not understand, and yes - a massive threat to peace.
Trump doesn't give a fuck who he burns or double-crosses. He never has - he's not an honourable man - he's a greedy, narcissistic fool.

People don't distrust trump because of "bias" - it's his lack of integrity, lack of comprehension, and total disregard for humanity that bothers people.

This isn't the way leaders communicate;

Wow. I mean, its not uncommon to see people on the internet start screaming death threats, but it's usually not a president.

Sigh, just another of trumps toddler tantrums. I wish we could at least take his Twitter access away.

It was only just starting to not be embarrassing to be an American living abroad after the Bush years. I was never a huge fan of Obama, but he was a great PR win. Now it's all been undone again.

I'll never forget when I was asked by this guy who couldn't speak great English where I was from, and I said I was from the United States. And his response was "united states? That crazy trump man is going to kill us all!". Which I found both hilarious and depressing, and a maybe a little true. :D

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

If he gets us into another war it might get him re-elected.

I've been saying this a lot in the last year. People will vote for an incumbent president during war time almost every time. More comfortable with the evil you know and all of that. I feel like war is coming soon no matter who's in office. We've never really not been in a war during my entire life but it feels like something larger is coming soon. I can't think of any other reason why they're letting so many people into the Army now. They need bodies for the coming war but they know a implementing a draft would be a disaster. So they've simply lowered the standards to get in as many bodies as possible.

 

[Roger&Me]

Yeah so how many new wars has he started?
For myself personally that's a performance indicator, you are either stubbornly unwilling to accept this as a positive or you consider starting wars the sign of "a pretty good president".

I'm generally opposed to the United States starting wars. But "not starting any new wars" is not, by itself, a performance indicator of any type. There are situations where starting a war would be totally wrong and criminal, but there are also situations where not starting a war would be totally wrong and criminal. The president's job is to use his best judgment to parse between those two types of situations and arrive at a decision that is in the best interest of the American people and all the people of planet Earth.

The entire reason the presidency is an important job is that it requires making those kinds of judgment calls. Presidents don't have the luxury of deferring to bright-line rules like "don't start wars." Every decision the president makes requires deep, nuanced thought that is based on the particular situation at hand. But let's be honest: Trump is not smart enough to do that. He's a dumb guy, and he doesn't think deeply about stuff. Trump isn't playing 4-dimensional chess, he's barely even capable of playing tic-tac-toe.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Agreed, the Trump apologists truly baffle me. It's like, open your eyes, just observe the guy. Everything about him, his body language, his words, his facial expressions, and his actions screams "I'm a narcissistic sociopath who has no idea what I'm doing". History is going to look back on this with extreme embarrassment. The rest of the world already does.

A lot of people voted for Trump because they were accelerationist. The general idea was that is Hillary got in we'd be stuck under a system that wasn't working for another decade or longer. With Trump there is a chance everything goes to hell and a major change happens. This was a big part of his initial popularity among the National Socialists that reside in the country. Basically, they got tired of waiting on Hitler 2.0 so they voted for Trump in hopes that the civil unrest would go hot and allow for a true leader to emerge from the chaos.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I thought you were libertarian?

Yes, but I still think that there's a point where the US needs to get involved on the world stage. This is one of those times.

I don't perfectly fit with party ideologues.

 

[quiet roar]

If George W would have invaded Iran I'd have cheered for it then, and I'll cheer for Trump to do it now.

If he gets us into another war it might get him re-elected. Iran's regime is evil and it's only a matter of time and who's going to do it until it falls forever.

Guys, if you want to make Trump look like a bad guy, you literally have tens of thousands of better points to yell at him over. Some of us want the Axis of Evil to die. Got to love W's words.

That's such bullshit!

When were you last in Iran, Captain? You should go, it's a wonderful place with wonderful people.

 

[swilow]

If George W would have invaded Iran I'd have cheered for it then, and I'll cheer for Trump to do it now.

If he gets us into another war it might get him re-elected. Iran's regime is evil and it's only a matter of time and who's going to do it until it falls forever.

Guys, if you want to make Trump look like a bad guy, you literally have tens of thousands of better points to yell at him over. Some of us want the Axis of Evil to die. Got to love W's words.

Tbh, I know very few people that support the sort of language Trump uses. Its aggressive and petulant and dangerous and it makes America appear to be impotently shaking old man fists at young whipper snappers.

If human rights violations make you think your country should go to war, would it be reasonable for some other power to attack America on the same basis? There are numerous human rights violations occurring in your own nation which should be more important than they seem..

The US are terrible global policeman and lose most wars they engage in, usually leaving people no better off (and often worse). Its arrogant to imagine the world wants this from it. If you want to protect the world and its people, the US should be prevented from military action in most cases.

 

[quiet roar]

I'm generally opposed to the United States starting wars. But "not starting any new wars" is not, by itself, a performance indicator of any type.

Considering the wars the previous 4 or 5 incumbents have started, and the massive problems that are still present because of those wars, I would say it is a very important performance indicator.

 

[Roger&Me]

The US are terrible global policeman and lose most wars they engage in

I tend to agree with the substance of your post, but just FTR the United States has prevailed in the vast majority of military conflicts it has engaged in. If anything, the U.S. is frighteningly good at waging war. Even when it blundered into straight-up unwinnable conflicts, it still fought its way to a draw almost every time. Even in Afghanistan, which has been considered unconquerable by basically every great power in recorded history.

For good or ill, nobody fights like Americans. I think war is stupid and I'm generally opposed to it, but it's just a fact that America is orders of magnitude more sophisticated in its war-fighting ability than any other political entity that has ever existed. Nobody else has even come close.

Considering the wars the previous 4 or 5 incumbents have started, and the massive problems that are still present because of those wars, I would say it is a very important performance indicator.

Those were mostly bad decisions, and we shouldn't have engaged in most of those conflicts. But that doesn't mean that it's always a bad decision to wage war. History is full of instances where war was appropriate. You're generalizing from only the last few decades.

 

[alasdairm]

Donald Trump's Pro-LGBTQ Statement at Republican Convention Was a Sham, Sean Spicer Book Reveals

comes as no surprise but it's still shocking to have it confirmed. politicians lie. i get that. but trump has plumed the depths of dishonesty and it's telling that it's ushered in a new set of terms (e.g. fake news, post-truth, etc.)



oh, and $15b of our taxpayer dollars going to farmers who got screwed by trump's tariffs...

alasdair

 

[phenethylo J]

And exactly how much money did those fucking tariffs save us?


I honestly think the wall was just a sham too. It was just another one of many slogans he through out during his campaign and he noticed the base ate it up.

It's pretty obvious that the wall is never getting built.

 

[Roger&Me]

I want to build a Canadian border wall to defend us against the Northern Menace. Do you realize that there are millions of Frenchmen up there? They could all pour across the St. Lawrence and invade at any moment. They're probably using their god damned gibberish language to plot our demise as I type this.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

oh, and $15b of our taxpayer dollars going to farmers who got screwed by trump's tariffs...

alasdair

Farmers have been screwed for decades before Trump showed up. I'm sick of people only supporting family farms when it's convenient to bitch about something then going back to calling us welfare queens when it comes time to really support us. If you want to help farmers support laws that prevent mega corporations like Monsanto from existing. Farmers in America aren't growing all this corn and soy by choice. You either grow it or you raise cattle and hay. There isn't any other choice and neither pays well. Let us go back to setting our own prices for crops and you'll see family farms making a come back. Never going to happen though because the goal is to buy up all the good land and they've been doing a good job of that for a long time. It's amazing so many families have held out this long.

 

[Roger&Me]

The Russian government is illegitimate. I don't care how it functions. It has to be stopped.

Rest easy, Heroine. Russia is barely even fit to be a rival of the State of Texas. :D Its economy is embarrassingly small and weak, and Russia will never stand as an equal with the United States--no matter what it ever does. It will always cower in subordination to the mighty United States of America, while we stand tall, arm-in-arm with our vast coalition of blood-brothers and sacred allies that spans the globe.