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jmc31337

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I proposed a potential analog and i would like some feedback from organic chem level knowledgeable types
1) What we gonna call this bs? Insofar as, IUPAC nomeclature goes, im def. looking for answer to that (not even AI helping here)
Guess: 1,4-cyclohexadienyl-dihydrotetrahydrocannabinolic acid

the write up excerpt i created can be viewed below

Note: this is a predictive synthesis pathway mechanism and the information is to be treated as such
I have not tried this lab synthesis yet, i have not smoked this neither (yet
:g:
) and dont recommend anyone to do so due to the fact small molecular changes can have big consequences




Conclusion to be drawn is:
With the loss of 1 degree of unsaturation (Hydrogen Deficiency Idex) loss of one π bond when converting the benzene ring to a cyclohexa-1,4-diene ring creates this 1,4-cyclohexadiene THCA analog with altered aromaticity and electronic structure. Because the THCA backbone remains largely nonpolar, the analog would likely retain cannabinoid-like lipophilicity, making BBB (blood brain barrier) interaction plausible. The major unknown is how the altered ring changes the molecule’s behavior in the body. If it reaches the brain, the axonal/neural receptor lock-and-key analysis becomes whether the modified ring still provides the correct 3D shape, charge distribution, and hydrophobic contacts needed to interact with cannabinoid receptor binding sites. Removing one π bond and losing aromatic stabilization may subtly change molecular geometry and electronic properties, which could alter receptor fit. The result could be changed activity — potentially weaker, stronger, different, or negligible — because even a small structural modification can shift receptor interactions. In other words, the analog could have a distinct pharmacological profile rather than simply being a stronger or weaker version of THCA.



Final newbie OFF TOPIC chem note: the NH3 ammonia liquid IS NOT THE SAME ammonia at hardware stores NH4OH (though drying tubes and dissecant can yield NH3 from NH4OH)
 
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Hey, genuine question......but why? Like what benefit could this provide users beyond what is currently available?
 
im with ya, im all for smoking good grown green
I was more curious about the predictive reaction of this and wouldnt have even carried this around had i not hit 50% off the IBM RXN.
Sitting around studying over some chem and led to this, seeing if I did the curved arrow mechanisms right too
As far as i know, for a lil lab experiment right, royal blue and weed oils arent illegal (rather this experiment can be done legally somewhere on earth)
Lab would at least allow me to determine layering
And yea assuming this could be synthesized i dunno what this shit would do to you
i looked online, hasnt really been discussed too much in the science forums
 
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Predictive pathways are fine to discuss but the safety caveat at the end is doing a lot of work here. Small structural changes can absolutely flip activity or toxicity in ways nobody predicts.
 
Hey, genuine question......but why? Like what benefit could this provide users beyond what is currently available?
This might work very differently (bind differently, be more potent, longer duration, or do the opposite), even if it's not the next best thing though it can still help tell us things better via trials.

@jmc31337 if you haven't already run your paper through a few different AIs, IIRC there were some call outs on over assumptions that you might want to consider - I'm not a chemist and I kinda followed the AIs point but don't understand enough about methodology/specifics to explain
 
@Skorpio Doesn't seem to be any moderators left in CD. Would you consider this synthesis discussion? I suppose it's not giving "Dissolve x grams in x mL heat to x degrees" etc.
 
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@Skorpio Doesn't seem to be any moderators left in CD. Would you consider this synthesis discussion? I suppose it's not giving "Dissolve x grams in x mL heat to x degrees" etc.
I am personally fine with it. I will of course defer to judgement of our moderators, @nepalnt21 and @paranoid android

My guidelines for off-limits synth discussion typically follow these principles.

1). Is the post discussing a hypothetical synthesis or is it posting a recipe for a compound?

2). Is the synthesis for a drug which people commonly try to make on their own?

3). Is the synthesis for something particularly hazardous?

4). How specialized is the route itself?

The post above is for a novel compound, is theoretical, not assumed to be particularly nasty, and while birch reductions aren’t like the craziest thing in chemistry, this isn’t like a shake and bake prep. Plus we have had discussion of acid catalyzed isomerization of CBD to THC, dehydrogenation to HHC, and you have certainly discussed aspects of synthesis of 7-OH.

Not to be rude to the OP, but this document feels like chemistry homework rather than a clandestine synthesis.
I proposed a potential analog and i would like some feedback from organic chem level knowledgeable types
1) What we gonna call this bs? Insofar as, IUPAC nomeclature goes, im def. looking for answer to that (not even AI helping here)
Guess: 1,4-cyclohexadienyl-dihydrotetrahydrocannabinolic acid

the write up excerpt i created can be viewed below

Note: this is a predictive synthesis pathway mechanism and the information is to be treated as such
I have not tried this lab synthesis yet, i have not smoked this neither (yet
:g:
) and dont recommend anyone to do so due to the fact small molecular changes can have big consequences
Conclusion to be drawn is:
With the loss of 1 degree of unsaturation (Hydrogen Deficiency Idex) loss of one π bond when converting the benzene ring to a cyclohexa-1,4-diene ring creates this 1,4-cyclohexadiene THCA analog with altered aromaticity and electronic structure. Because the THCA backbone remains largely nonpolar, the analog would likely retain cannabinoid-like lipophilicity, making BBB (blood brain barrier) interaction plausible. The major unknown is how the altered ring changes the molecule’s behavior in the body. If it reaches the brain, the axonal/neural receptor lock-and-key analysis becomes whether the modified ring still provides the correct 3D shape, charge distribution, and hydrophobic contacts needed to interact with cannabinoid receptor binding sites. Removing one π bond and losing aromatic stabilization may subtly change molecular geometry and electronic properties, which could alter receptor fit. The result could be changed activity — potentially weaker, stronger, different, or negligible — because even a small structural modification can shift receptor interactions. In other words, the analog could have a distinct pharmacological profile rather than simply being a stronger or weaker version of THCA.



Final newbie OFF TOPIC chem note: the NH3 ammonia liquid IS NOT THE SAME ammonia at hardware stores NH4OH (though drying tubes and dissecant can yield NH3 from NH4OH)

I would advise strong caution with this.

First, the birch reduction is about as gentle as a blowtorch; you will likely see unwanted side products from your reaction. This will both make the work up more complicated and increase the risk of adverse effects if consumed.

Second, I would worry about possible toxicity if any type of quinone were to form (either directly from the reaction, or due to metabolism). These are often quite toxic such as the metabolite of acetaminophen, NAPQI (n-acetyl-para-benzoquinone imine) is what fries your liver (due to being such a good electrophile). It’s a cool thought experiment, but seems risky.
 
I am personally fine with it. I will of course defer to judgement of our moderators, @nepalnt21 and @paranoid android

My guidelines for off-limits synth discussion typically follow these principles.

1). Is the post discussing a hypothetical synthesis or is it posting a recipe for a compound?

2). Is the synthesis for a drug which people commonly try to make on their own?

3). Is the synthesis for something particularly hazardous?

4). How specialized is the route itself?

The post above is for a novel compound, is theoretical, not assumed to be particularly nasty, and while birch reductions aren’t like the craziest thing in chemistry, this isn’t like a shake and bake prep. Plus we have had discussion of acid catalyzed isomerization of CBD to THC, dehydrogenation to HHC, and you have certainly discussed aspects of synthesis of 7-OH.

Not to be rude to the OP, but this document feels like chemistry homework rather than a clandestine synthesis.



I would advise strong caution with this.

First, the birch reduction is about as gentle as a blowtorch; you will likely see unwanted side products from your reaction. This will both make the work up more complicated and increase the risk of adverse effects if consumed.

Second, I would worry about possible toxicity if any type of quinone were to form (either directly from the reaction, or due to metabolism). These are often quite toxic such as the metabolite of acetaminophen, NAPQI (n-acetyl-para-benzoquinone imine) is what fries your liver (due to being such a good electrophile). It’s a cool thought experiment, but seems risky.
Fair enough. I only tagged you cuz it appears there's no CD mods?
I generally don't hang out in CD, and I did not know conversion topics were allowed. I was* pretty strict on synthesis talk discussion when I was a mod and I agree this thread is not a step by step. Just wanted to let someone* make that call.

As far as I remember, I don't believe I've ever said anything specific about conversion to 7-OH aside from the fact that it's easy and maybe light discussion over the different routes.

It DOES look like homework, a lot of effort went into the writeup so I applaud that.
 
I am personally fine with it. I will of course defer to judgement of our moderators, @nepalnt21 and @paranoid android

My guidelines for off-limits synth discussion typically follow these principles.

1). Is the post discussing a hypothetical synthesis or is it posting a recipe for a compound?

2). Is the synthesis for a drug which people commonly try to make on their own?

3). Is the synthesis for something particularly hazardous?

4). How specialized is the route itself?

The post above is for a novel compound, is theoretical, not assumed to be particularly nasty, and while birch reductions aren’t like the craziest thing in chemistry, this isn’t like a shake and bake prep. Plus we have had discussion of acid catalyzed isomerization of CBD to THC, dehydrogenation to HHC, and you have certainly discussed aspects of synthesis of 7-OH.

Not to be rude to the OP, but this document feels like chemistry homework rather than a clandestine synthesis.



I would advise strong caution with this.

First, the birch reduction is about as gentle as a blowtorch; you will likely see unwanted side products from your reaction. This will both make the work up more complicated and increase the risk of adverse effects if consumed.

Second, I would worry about possible toxicity if any type of quinone were to form (either directly from the reaction, or due to metabolism). These are often quite toxic such as the metabolite of acetaminophen, NAPQI (n-acetyl-para-benzoquinone imine) is what fries your liver (due to being such a good electrophile). It’s a cool thought experiment, but seems risky.
well if i assume perfect lab world, and the only byproducts are what i listed, ammonium citrate and lithium citrate (the former used in food preservatives the latter already used in mood stabilizer lithium big pharma drugs) i figured worst comes to worst it be iight
Secondly, worse side effects happen off the shake n bake over the birch in other avenues of things out there
 
Follow up from further reserachgate books: Psychedelic Chemistry a reference guide written by Michael Valentine Smith

"Since 0 or 1 and perhaps 2 double bonds anywhere in the lefthand
ring below, as well as changes in the size and position of the alkyl
groups will probably all produce compounds with THC activity,"

-that definition fits that cyclohexadienyl analog nicely and makes me 85% now compelled to test this when time n resources come my way

Note to sysops: if ya wanna remove that link thats fine i included it for reference, theres a lot of from scratch synthetic method garbage in there i wouldnt ever waste time attempting - when real weed is easy to get anymore
 
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I seem to recall the playwright Harold Pinter having recieved a therapy for his psoriasis that was a congugated diene medication and how photo-oxidation (PUVA) therapy did help but it had all manner of then unknown mutagenic effects - so Pinter died of cancer that may well have been caused by the treatment.

For me, they are like arylamines - quinones not an absolute stopper BUT need extra caution.

I should add Pinter was so disabled by his psoriasis that while I'm sure an 'association' was known, from a clinical perspective, it gave pinter decades of QUALITY life.

So while an interesting bit of research, I have been saying for over a decade that a RC that is a chronic toxin turning up isn't an possiblity, it's a certainty and I wouldn't go with a quinone when Pfizer idenfified things like CP-47,497 which were evidently facile as homologues of it were in the original 'Spice', the point being that changing the length of that alkyl chain, adding a fluorine to the end and/or excluding or swapping that gem-dimethyl for a cyclobutyl and so on meant that hundreds of homologues were synthetically near identical.

So in the end, what's it for?

References would have been appreciated but I'm assuming it is in fact AI generated.
 
I seem to recall the playwright Harold Pinter having recieved a therapy for his psoriasis that was a congugated diene medication and how photo-oxidation (PUVA) therapy did help but it had all manner of then unknown mutagenic effects - so Pinter died of cancer that may well have been caused by the treatment.

For me, they are like arylamines - quinones not an absolute stopper BUT need extra caution.

I should add Pinter was so disabled by his psoriasis that while I'm sure an 'association' was known, from a clinical perspective, it gave pinter decades of QUALITY life.

So while an interesting bit of research, I have been saying for over a decade that a RC that is a chronic toxin turning up isn't an possiblity, it's a certainty and I wouldn't go with a quinone when Pfizer idenfified things like CP-47,497 which were evidently facile as homologues of it were in the original 'Spice', the point being that changing the length of that alkyl chain, adding a fluorine to the end and/or excluding or swapping that gem-dimethyl for a cyclobutyl and so on meant that hundreds of homologues were synthetically near identical.

So in the end, what's it for?

References would have been appreciated but I'm assuming it is in fact AI generated.
no dimethyl no fluorine are used here, and i did the entire thesis myself no Ai (especially since Ai wont give you pka for substances in ammonia liquid, i had to research all that myself
And Ai didnt gimme the book from research gate (since it was paywalled)
Whats it for, to see if ill get higher, higher longer, or none at all, or if its like cbd
I watched Shulgin in his Dirty Pictures movie, do over 120+ compounds, and not die - the body is a resilient organism
Watched em trip out and move his fingers around the atmosphere as though he was drawing, and instinctively, i knew he was doing curved arrow notation structural drawings in air while trippin and i was like - cant believe i know what hes doing there

none of your statements (though appreciate the cancer concern) have any scientific backing as CP-47,497 had nothing do with my analog as its phenolic ring is still intact whereas mine was reduced to cyclohexadienyl



besides all the major labs are using Ai now, thats why china whooping everyone's asses in synthesis they got best Chem Ai in the game


How ya know its all me not Ai:
1. ive never seen any thesis papers draw single e- movement with blue halfhooked arrows
2. ive never seen anyone use dashed full hooked arrow for curved-arrow notation for each individual proton site (ie., citrate's sites)
3. below is the mol2chemfig (and Ai aint doing all this code) you wont be able to compile this neither, bcuz i have the ibm rxn pathway images over here that get embedded in the chemfig
Code:
% pdflatex thca.tex
% /home/jmc31337/Downloads/ChemLabLatex/bin/mol2chemfig -w -i direct ''


\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[portrait,margin=1cm]{geometry}
\usepackage{chemfig}
\usepackage{tikz}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage{amsmath}
\usepackage{amssymb}
\usepackage{mathtools}
\usepackage{pdfpages}
\usepackage{url}
\usepackage{xcolor}
\usetikzlibrary{calc}
\usetikzlibrary{decorations.markings}
\usetikzlibrary{arrows.meta}
\usetikzlibrary{positioning}
\usetikzlibrary{decorations.pathmorphing}
\usetikzlibrary{arrows.meta, calc}
\usetikzlibrary{matrix}


\newcommand{\mcfcringle}[1]{%
  \tikz[baseline=-0.5ex]{
    \draw (0,0) circle (#1em);
  }%
}


\setchemfig{
    charge style={draw=none},
    atom sep=1.5em
}

\newcommand{\lp}{\rotatebox{90}{$:$}}
\newcommand{\pka}[1]{\scriptsize p$K_a$=#1}
\newcommand{\pkb}[1]{\scriptsize p$K_b$=#1}

\title{Birch Reduction of THCA and Subsequent Protonation/Aromatization Rearrangement under Anhydrous Ammonia Conditions}
\author{jmc}
\date{August 14, 2026}

\begin{document}

\maketitle


\textit{NOTE: Any differences in bond angles, orientations, or wedge/hash placement between depictions represent alternative 2D projections or conformational views of the same molecular connectivity and stereochemical configuration, and do not necessarily indicate different molecular structures. All SMILES codes were from IBM RXN and converted with mol2chemfig for pdflatex. All blue arrow mechanisms represent 1e- and all red arrows represent 2e-}

% ============================================================
% REACTION SCHEME
% ============================================================

\begin{center}
\begin{tikzpicture}[x=1cm,y=1cm]


\node (THCA_label) at (0,2) {
    \textbf{THCA}
};

\node (THCA) at (0,-.5) {
    \chemfig{
                   % 1
            -[:330]% 2
             -[:30]% 3
            -[:330]% 4
             -[:30]% 5
            -[:330]% 6
            -[:270]% 7
                      (
    -[:30,,,,draw=none]\mcfcringle{1.3}% (o)
                      )
            -[:330]% 8
             -[:30]% 9
                      (
                 -[:90]% 10
                          (
                    -[:150]% 12
                              (
                         -[:90]% 13
                                  (
                        -[:150,,,2]HO% 15
                                  )
                         =[:30]O% 14
                              )
                    -[:210]% -> 6
                          )
             -[:30,,,1]OH% 11
                      )
           >:[:330]% 16
             -[:30]% 17
           =_[:330]% 18
                      (
                 -[:30]% 19
                      )
            -[:270]% 20
            -[:210]% 21
            >[:150]% 22
                      (
                 -[:90]% -> 16
                      )
            -[:210]% 23
                      (
                -[:310]% 24
                      )
                      (
                -[:230]% 25
                      )
            -[:150]O% 26
                      (
                 -[:90]% -> 8
                      )
}
};




  % Reaction arrow
  \node (arrow) at (3.3,0) {$\longrightarrow$};


% THCA-ANALOG
\node (THCA_Analog_label) at (6.5,2) {
    \textbf{THCA-Analog}
};

\node (THCA_Analog) at (6.5,0) {
    \rotatebox{-30}{%
    \chemfig
    {
            % 1
           -% 2
      -[:60]% 3
           -% 4
      -[:60]% 5
           -% 6
     =_[:60]% 7
               (
         -[:120]% 8
                   (
         -[:180,,,2]HO% 10
                   )
          =[:60]O% 9
               )
           -% 11
               (
      -[:60,,,1]OH% 12
               )
     -[:300]% 13
    =^[:240]% 14
               (
         -[:180]% 15
         -[:120]% -> 6
               )
     -[:300]O% 16
           -% 17
               (
         -[:260]% 18
               )
               (
         -[:340]% 19
               )
      >[:60]% 20
           -% 21
      -[:60]% 22
     -[:120]% 23
               (
          -[:60]% 24
               )
    =^[:180]% 25
    >:[:240]% 26
               (
         -[:180]% -> 13
               )
               (
         -[:300]% -> 20
               )
}}
};


\end{tikzpicture}
\end{center}

%========================================================================================
%========================================================================================

% ============================================================
% EXPLANATORY TEXT
% ============================================================

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Ammonia gas below its boiling temperature of $-33.4\,^\circ\mathrm{C}$ creates a liquified medium where an alkali metal such as Li can release its single outer-valence electron ($e^-$)}

\medskip

\noindent
\textbf{Liquid ammonia is a polar protic solvent. It can act as a base by
accepting protons ($\mathrm{H^+}$), and the N--H bonds make it protic under
the right conditions, allowing it to give up a proton}

\medskip

\noindent
\textbf{The fact that ammonia is basic and capable of accepting
$\mathrm{H^+}$ will be used later. At this point, the ammonia medium
solvates the $\mathrm{Li^+}$ ions and the electrons ($e^-$) indicated by the barbed half-hook blue arrow}

\medskip
\[
\mathrm{Li(s) + NH_3(l) \longrightarrow Li^+ + e^-}
\]
\vspace{-40pt}

\begin{center}
\begin{tikzpicture}

  % Reactants
  \node (Li) at (0,0) {\charge{0:=$\bullet$}{Li}};
  \node (plus) at (0.8,0) {$+$};
  \node (NH3) at (2.2,0) {
    \chemfig{\charge{180:=$:$}{N}(-[:90]H)(-[:270]H)-H}
  };

  % Reaction arrow
  \node (arrow) at (3.3,0) {$\longrightarrow$};

  % Products
  \node (Liion) at (4.4,0) {$\mathrm{Li^+}$};
  \node (plus2) at (4.9,0) {$+$};
  \node (esolv) at (6.3,0) {$e^-_{\mathrm{solv}}$};

  % Fishhook
  \draw[
    line width=0.5pt,
    -{Straight Barb[length=5pt,width=1pt]}
  ]
  (Li.east) .. controls +(90:60pt) and +(180:40pt) .. (esolv);


\draw[
  blue,
  line width=1pt,
  -{Straight Barb[length=5pt,width=1pt]}
]
(Li.east)
.. controls +(90:60pt) and +(180:40pt) ..
(esolv);



\end{tikzpicture}
\end{center}
% -\charge{90:=$\bullet$}{C}


\noindent
\textbf{After solvating, we can add in the THCA (Note: we must have pure as possible free THCA oil. Whatever maceration and extraction method chosen must provide a pure THCA oil, without chlorophyll or any added impurities. (Ie., if using butane hash oil, the butane must be fully evaoprated and stripped from the final THCA oil)}

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Once THCA oils are added to the ammonia solvated e- medium, ammonia's lone pair could potentially serve as the base and proton acceptor in this medium. The curved arrow notations below show; the e- attacking the benzene ring to possibly form a rearrangment, and, ammonia's lone pair attacking the ($\mathrm{H^+}$) protons of THCA's two sites (carboxylic acid -OH and phenol -OH)}

%=================================================================================================
%=================================================================================================


\medskip
\begin{center}
\begin{tikzpicture}[x=1cm,y=1cm]


\node (THCA_label) at (0,2) {
    \textbf{THCA}
};

\node (THCA) at (0,-.5) {
    \chemfig{
                   % 1
            -[:330]% 2
             -[:30]% 3
            -[:330]% 4
             -[:30]% 5
            -[:330]% 6
            -[:270]% 7
                      (
    -[:30,,,,draw=none]\mcfcringle{1.3}% (o)
                      )
            -[:330]% 8
             -[:30]% 9
                      (
                 -[:90]% 10
                          (
                    -[:150]% 12
                              (
                         -[:90]% 13
                                  (
                        -[:150,,,2]HO% 15
                                  )
                         =[:30]O% 14
                              )
                    -[:210]% -> 6
                          )
             -[:30,,,1]OH% 11
                      )
           >:[:330]% 16
             -[:30]% 17
           =_[:330]% 18
                      (
                 -[:30]% 19
                      )
            -[:270]% 20
            -[:210]% 21
            >[:150]% 22
                      (
                 -[:90]% -> 16
                      )
            -[:210]% 23
                      (
                -[:310]% 24
                      )
                      (
                -[:230]% 25
                      )
            -[:150]O% 26
                      (
                 -[:90]% -> 8
                      )
}
};


\node (plus) at (3.5,0) {\Large $+$};

\begin{scope}[shift={(6,.5)}]

\node (NH3_label) at (0,1.5) {
    \textbf{Anhyd. Ammonia Medium}
};

\node (NH3_1) at (0,-.3) {
    \chemfig{
        \charge{180:=$:$}{N}
        (-[:90]H)
        (-[:270]H)
        -H
    }
};

\node (NH3_2) at (0,-2) {
    \chemfig{
        \charge{180:=$:$}{N}
        (-[:90]H)
        (-[:270]H)
        -H
    }
};

\end{scope}





\node (electron_1) at (4.5,1.3) {
    $\mathrm{e^-_{(solv)}}$
};

\node (electron_2) at (4.7,-2.5) {
    $\mathrm{e^-_{(solv)}}$
};


\node (li_1) at (7.5,1.2) {
    \chemfig{\mathrm{Li}^{+}}
};

\node (li_2) at (7.5,-2.5) {
    \chemfig{\mathrm{Li}^{+}}
};



% Arrow 1
\coordinate (tail) at (5.5,0.3);
\coordinate (head) at (-.6,1.1);
\coordinate (controlA) at (3.0,2);
\coordinate (controlB) at (1.0,2);
\draw[->, red, thick, >=stealth]
    (tail)
    .. controls (controlA) and (controlB) ..
    (head);

%Arrow 2
\coordinate (tail) at (5.5,-1.4);
\coordinate (head) at (1.4,.3);
\coordinate (controlA) at (3.0,2);
\coordinate (controlB) at (1.5,1);
\draw[->, red, thick, >=stealth]
    (tail)
    .. controls (controlA) and (controlB) ..
    (head);


% e- Arrow 1
\coordinate (head) at (0,0);
\coordinate (tail) at (4.5,-2.2);
\coordinate (controlA) at (1,-2.5);
\coordinate (controlB) at (0,0);

\draw[
  blue,
  line width=1pt,
  -{Straight Barb[length=5pt,width=1pt]}
]
  (tail)
  .. controls (controlA) and (controlB) ..
  (head);

% e- Arrow 2

\coordinate (head) at (.3,-.3);
\coordinate (tail) at (4,1.3);
\coordinate (controlA) at (.5,.5);
\coordinate (controlB) at (.3,.3);
\draw[
  blue,
  line width=1pt,
  -{Straight Barb[length=5pt,width=1pt]}
]
  (tail)
  .. controls (controlA) and (controlB) ..
  (head);


\end{tikzpicture}
\end{center}

%=========================================================================================
%=========================================================================================

\noindent
\textbf{To determine whether or not the Carboxylic and/or Phenolic -OH groups will become deprotonated we must compare the $\mathrm{p}K_a$ of the conjugates (in ammonia solutions not water)}
\noindent
\medskip
\textbf{The fundamental principle is that an acid will donate its proton to a base if the acid is stronger than the conjugate acid of the base. Conversely, a base will accept a proton from an acid if the base is stronger than the conjugate base of the acid. In terms of p$K_a$, the Phenolic acid Ar-OH will deprotonate in the presence of Ammonia if:}
\[
pK_a(\mathrm{Phenol\ Ar-OH}) < pK_a(\mathrm{NH_4^+})
\]

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{For THCA, there are two acidic hydroxyl groups that must be considered: the phenolic Ar--OH and the carboxylic COOH. Their product favoring proton-transfer equilibria with liquid ammonia are:}


\begin{equation*}
\mathrm{THCA{-}ArOH + NH_3}
\quad
\tikz[baseline=-0.5ex]{
  \draw[->] (0,0.08) -- (1.8,0.08);
  \draw[<-] (.20,-0.08) -- (1.3,-0.08);
}
\quad
\mathrm{THCA{-}ArO^- + NH_4^+}
\end{equation*}

\begin{equation*}
\mathrm{THCA{-}COOH + NH_3}
\quad
\tikz[baseline=-0.5ex]{
  \draw[->] (0,0.08) -- (1.8,0.08);
  \draw[<-] (.20,-0.08) -- (1.3,-0.08);
}
\quad
\mathrm{THCA{-}COO^- + NH_4^+}
\end{equation*}


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Experimental studies of phenols in liquid ammonia give $pK_a$ values of approximately $3{-}6.2$, with phenol itself reported at $pK_a\approx6.02$. Thus, the THCA phenolic Ar--OH can be reasonably estimated at approximately $pK_a\approx5$ in liquid ammonia. Carboxylic acids are substantially stronger acids in liquid ammonia; using acetic acid as a reference gives an estimated $pK_a$ near $-4.5$. Accordingly, a reasonable working estimate for the THCA carboxylic COOH is $pK_a\approx-4$ to $-5$.}

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Therefore, the acidity (lower $pK_a$, higher acidity) of the two THCA hydroxyl groups in liquid ammonia shows:}

\begin{equation*}
\boxed{
\mathrm{THCA{-}COOH}\;(pK_a\approx-4.5)
>
\mathrm{THCA{-}ArOH}\;(pK_a\approx5)
>
\mathrm{NH_4^+}\;(pK_a\approx25)
}
\end{equation*}

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Below (as an aside) we see the standardized aqueous water-based relative acidity according to $pK_a$:}

\[
\mathrm{H_3O^+}\;(pK_a\approx-1.74)
>
\mathrm{THCA{-}COOH}\;(pK_a\approx4.5)
>
\mathrm{THCA{-}ArOH}\;(pK_a\approx10)
\]

\medskip

\noindent
\textbf{The acidity does not favor this reaction mechanism when WATER is used as the aqueous medium. However, it does favor deprotonation in liquid ammonia, according to laboratory literature values.}

\medskip

\noindent
\textbf{Birch reduction of aromatic rings also occurs within the medium. See the following scientific literature regarding this mechanism:}

\begin{itemize}
    \item \url{https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2019/10/17/birch-reduction/}
    \item \url{https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/?p=8570}
\end{itemize}

\medskip

\noindent
\textbf{For the Birch intermediate, $NH_3$ functions primarily as the solvent and base. The liquid-ammonia medium is favorable for aromatic-ring Birch reduction. Protonation of the reduced aromatic intermediates will require a separate proton-donating source. In other words, liquid ammonia can deprotonate the two OH substituents, but it will not also provide those protons for protonating the groups back. In the literature example above, EtOH served as the proton-donor quench source (protonation will cbe discussed later)}

\medskip

\noindent
\textbf{Focusing on the reduction of the aromatic ring (assuming the acidic substituent protons have already been deprotonated by ammonia), the mechanism looks like:}

%=================================================================================================
%=================================================================================================


\medskip
\begin{center}
\begin{tikzpicture}[x=1cm,y=1cm]


\node (THCA) at (0,-.5) {
    \chemfig{
                   % 1
            -[:330]% 2
             -[:30]% 3
            -[:330]% 4
             -[:30]% 5
            -[:330]% 6
            -[:270]% 7
                      (
    -[:30,,,,draw=none]\mcfcringle{1.3}% (o)
                      )
            -[:330]% 8
             -[:30]% 9
                      (
                 -[:90]% 10
                          (
                    -[:150]% 12
                              (
                         -[:90]% 13
                                  (
                -[:150,,,1]
                \charge{
                    175:=$-$,
                         90:=\rotatebox{90}{$:$},
                    0:=$:$,
                    270:=\rotatebox{90}{$:$}
                    }{O}% 15
                                  )
                         =[:30]O% 14
                              )
                    -[:210]% -> 6
                          )
             -[:30,,,1]\charge{
            15:=$-$,
            90:=\rotatebox{90}{$:$},
            180:=$:$,
            270:=\rotatebox{90}{$:$}
        }{O}
                      )
           >:[:330]% 16
             -[:30]% 17
           =_[:330]% 18
                      (
                 -[:30]% 19
                      )
            -[:270]% 20
            -[:210]% 21
            >[:150]% 22
                      (
                 -[:90]% -> 16
                      )
            -[:210]% 23
                      (
                -[:310]% 24
                      )
                      (
                -[:230]% 25
                      )
            -[:150]O% 26
                      (
                 -[:90]% -> 8
                      )
}
};


\node (plus) at (3.5,0) {\Large $+$};

\begin{scope}[shift={(6,.5)}]


\node (NH4_1) at (0,-.3) {
    \chemfig{
        \charge{45:=$+$}{N}
        (-[:90]H)
        (-[:0]H)
        (-[:270]H)
        -[:180]H
    }
};


\node (NH4_2) at (0,-2) {
    \chemfig{
        \charge{45:=$+$}{N}
        (-[:90]H)
        (-[:0]H)
        (-[:270]H)
        -[:180]H
    }
};


\end{scope}


\node (electron_1) at (4.5,1.3) {
    $\mathrm{e^-_{(solv)}}$
};

\node (electron_2) at (4.7,-2.5) {
    $\mathrm{e^-_{(solv)}}$
};


\node (li_1) at (7.5,1.2) {
    \chemfig{\mathrm{Li}^{+}}
};

\node (li_2) at (7.5,-2.5) {
    \chemfig{\mathrm{Li}^{+}}
};




% e- Arrow 1
\coordinate (head) at (0,0);
\coordinate (tail) at (4.5,-2.2);
\coordinate (controlA) at (1,-2.5);
\coordinate (controlB) at (0,0);

\draw[
  blue,
  line width=1pt,
  -{Straight Barb[length=5pt,width=1pt]}
]
  (tail)
  .. controls (controlA) and (controlB) ..
  (head);

% e- Arrow 2

\coordinate (head) at (.3,-.3);
\coordinate (tail) at (4,1.3);
\coordinate (controlA) at (.5,.5);
\coordinate (controlB) at (.3,.3);
\draw[
  blue,
  line width=1pt,
  -{Straight Barb[length=5pt,width=1pt]}
]
  (tail)
  .. controls (controlA) and (controlB) ..
  (head);


\end{tikzpicture}
\end{center}

%=================================================================================================
%=================================================================================================


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{These nucleophilic e- attack the phenyl/resorcinol-derived aromatic ring. Below, the drawing shows the pre-intermediates' before the e- attacks the ring per literature):}


\medskip
\noindent
\begin{center}
\begin{tikzpicture}

\matrix[column sep=1.5cm] {

\node (THCA_preInt1) {
    \rotatebox{-30}{%
    \chemfig
    {
            % 1
           -% 2
      -[:60]% 3
           -% 4
      -[:60]% 5
           -% 6
     =_[:60]% 7
               (
         -[:120]% 8
                   (
         -[:180,,,1]\charge{90=\:,180=\:,270=\:}{O^-}%10
                   )
          =[:60]O% 9
               )
           -\charge{270={\raisebox{1pt}{\scalebox{1.5}{$\cdot$}}}}
{\rotatebox{30}{\ensuremath{\mathrm C}}}% 11
               (
            -[:60,1.3]\charge{90=\:,180=\:,270=\:}{O^-}% 12
               )
     -[:300]% 13
    =^[:240]% 14
               (
        -[:180]\charge{200=\:,70={\hspace{5pt}\rotatebox{35}{\ensuremath{-}}}}
        {\rotatebox{35}{\ensuremath{\mathrm C}}}%15
         -[:120]% -> 6
               )
     -[:300]O% 16
           -% 17
               (
         -[:260]% 18
               )
               (
         -[:340]% 19
               )
      >[:60]% 20
           -% 21
      -[:60]% 22
     -[:120]% 23
               (
          -[:60]% 24
               )
    =^[:180]% 25
    >:[:240]% 26
               (
         -[:180]% -> 13
               )
               (
         -[:300]% -> 20
               )
    }
    }
};

&
\node {\text{\bfseries or}};
&

\node (THCA_preInt2) {
    \rotatebox{-30}{%
    \chemfig
    {
            % 1
           -% 2
      -[:60]% 3
           -% 4
      -[:60]% 5
           -% 6
     =_[:60]% 7
               (
         -[:120]% 8
                   (
         -[:180,,,1]\charge{90=\:,180=\:,270=\:}{O^-}%10
                   )
          =[:60]O% 9
               )
           -% 11
               (
            =[:60,1.3]\charge{90=\:,180=\:}{O}% 12
               )
     -[:300]% 13
    =^[:240]% 14
               (
        -[:180]\charge{200=\:,70={\hspace{5pt}\rotatebox{35}{\ensuremath{-}}}}
        {\rotatebox{35}{\ensuremath{\mathrm C}}}%15
         -[:120]% -> 6
               )
     -[:300]O% 16
           -% 17
               (
         -[:260]% 18
               )
               (
         -[:340]% 19
               )
      >[:60]% 20
           -% 21
      -[:60]% 22
     -[:120]% 23
               (
          -[:60]% 24
               )
    =^[:180]% 25
    >:[:240]% 26
               (
         -[:180]% -> 13
               )
               (
         -[:300]% -> 20
               )
    }
    }
};
\\
};

\end{tikzpicture}
\end{center}



%=================================================================================================
%=================================================================================================

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Note: The image above initially led me to believe that a lone pair on the carboxylate oxygen would form a $\mathrm{C=O}$ $\pi$ bond (see above right image) and interfere with reduction of the ring when e- attack it. However, based on the Birch-reduction mechanism, the electron distribution is better represented as a carbanion ($\mathrm{C^-}$) at one end of the ring, with a two-electron lone pair, while the electron involved in the initial one-electron attack gives rise to a carbon radical ($\mathrm{C^{\bullet}}$) at the carbonyl site. With this radical intermediate present, the lone pair on $\mathrm{O^-}$ cannot form a $\mathrm{C=O}$ $\pi$ bond without simultaneously accounting for the unpaired radical carbon. The would be C=O bond gets delocalized back to an O with 3 lone pairs}
\textbf{Either of the above two pre-intermediates,  will form the true-intermediate resonances below:}


\begin{tikzpicture}[x=1cm,y=1cm]
\node (THCA) at (0,-.5) {
    \chemfig{
                   % 1
            -[:330]% 2
             -[:30]% 3
            -[:330]% 4
             -[:30]% 5
            -[:330]% 6
            -[:270]% 7
                      (
    -[:30,,,,draw=none]\mcfcringle{1.3}% (o)
                      )
            -[:330]% 8
             -[:30]% 9
                      (
                 -[:90]% 10
                          (
                    -[:150]% 12
                              (
                         -[:90]% 13
                                  (
                -[:150,,,1]
                \charge{
                    175:=$-$,
                         90:=\rotatebox{90}{$:$},
                    0:=$:$,
                    270:=\rotatebox{90}{$:$}
                    }{O}% 15
                                  )
                         =[:30]O% 14
                              )
                    -[:210]% -> 6
                          )
             -[:30,,,1]\charge{
            15:=$-$,
            90:=\rotatebox{90}{$:$},
            180:=$:$,
            270:=\rotatebox{90}{$:$}
        }{O}
                      )
           >:[:330]% 16
             -[:30]% 17
           =_[:330]% 18
                      (
                 -[:30]% 19
                      )
            -[:270]% 20
            -[:210]% 21
            >[:150]% 22
                      (
                 -[:90]% -> 16
                      )
            -[:210]% 23
                      (
                -[:310]% 24
                      )
                      (
                -[:230]% 25
                      )
            -[:150]O% 26
                      (
                 -[:90]% -> 8
                      )
}
};



\coordinate (carbonE1) at (-.25,-.25);
\coordinate (carbonE2) at (-.25,-.4);
\coordinate (carbonE3) at (.4,.1);
\coordinate (carbonE4) at (.55,0);
\coordinate (carbonE5) at (.45,-.7);
\coordinate (carbonE6) at (.35,-.8);
\coordinate (carbonE7) at (-.10,0);
\coordinate (carbonE8) at (.1,.1);
\coordinate (carbonXpt1) at (-.20,-.65);
\coordinate (carbonXpt2) at (.65,-.1);
\fill[black] (carbonE1) circle (1.5pt);
\fill[black] (carbonE2) circle (1.5pt);
\fill[black] (carbonE3) circle (1.5pt);
\fill[black] (carbonE4) circle (1.5pt);
\fill[black] (carbonE5) circle (1.5pt);
\fill[black] (carbonE6) circle (1.5pt);
\fill[black] (carbonE7) circle (1.5pt);
\fill[black] (carbonE8) circle (1.5pt);
\fill[blue] (carbonXpt1) circle (1.5pt);
%\fill[blue] (carbonXpt2) circle (1.5pt);



\node (electron_1) at (-1,-2) {
    $\mathrm{e^-_{(solv)}}$
};

 \node (electron_2) at (2.3,1) {
    $\mathrm{e^-_{(solv)}}$
 };

\draw[-{Stealth[left]}, blue, thick] 
        (electron_1.west) .. controls +(180:1.5cm) and +(180:1.5cm) .. (carbonXpt1.west);
% \draw[-{Stealth[left]}, blue, thick] 
%        (electron_2.west) .. controls +(90:1.5cm) and +(90:1.5cm) .. (carbonXpt2.west);

\draw[->, >=stealth, red, thick] 
    (carbonE3) .. controls +(45:.5cm) and +(45:.5cm) .. (carbonE8);
\draw[->, >=stealth, red, thick] 
    (carbonE1) .. controls +(120:.5cm) and +(120:.5cm) .. (carbonE7);
\draw[-{Stealth[left]}, blue, thick] 
    (carbonE2) .. controls +(165:.5cm) and +(165:.5cm) .. (carbonXpt1);
\draw[-{Stealth[left]}, blue, thick]
    (carbonE4) .. controls +(60:.5cm) and +(60:.5cm) .. (carbonXpt2);
            

\node (arrow) at (3.3,0) {$\longrightarrow$};




\node (THCA_Int) at (7,0) {
    \rotatebox{-30}{%
    \chemfig
    {
            % 1
           -% 2
      -[:60]% 3
           -% 4
      -[:60]% 5
           -% 6
     =_[:60]% 7
               (
         -[:120]% 8
                   (
         -[:180,,,1]\charge{90=\:,180=\:,270=\:}{O^-}%10
                   )
          =[:60]O% 9
               )
-\charge{270={\raisebox{1pt}{\scalebox{3}{\color{blue}$\cdot$}}}}
{\rotatebox{30}{\ensuremath{\mathrm C}}}% 11
               (
            -[:60,1.3]\charge{90=\:,180=\:,270=\:}{O^-}% 12
               )
     -[:300]% 13
    =^[:240]% 14
               (
-[:180]\charge{200={\color{blue}\scalebox{2}{\:}},70={\hspace{5pt}\rotatebox{35}{\ensuremath{-}}}}
{\rotatebox{35}{\ensuremath{\mathrm C}}}%15
         -[:120]% -> 6
               )
     -[:300]O% 16
           -% 17
               (
         -[:260]% 18
               )
               (
         -[:340]% 19
               )
      >[:60]% 20
           -% 21
      -[:60]% 22
     -[:120]% 23
               (
          -[:60]% 24
               )
    =^[:180]% 25
    >:[:240]% 26
               (
         -[:180]% -> 13
               )
               (
         -[:300]% -> 20
               )
}}
};




\node (arrow) at (7.6,-2.5) {$\textbf{OR}$};


\node (THCA_Int2) at (7.3,-4.5) {
    \rotatebox{-30}{%
    \chemfig
    {
            % 1
           -% 2
      -[:60]% 3
           -% 4
      -[:60]% 5
           -% 6
     =_[:60]% 7
               (
         -[:120]% 8
                   (
         -[:180,,,1]\charge{90=\:,180=\:,270=\:}{O^-}%10
                   )
          =[:60]O% 9
               )
-\charge{200={\color{blue}\scalebox{2}{\:}},
70={\hspace{5pt}\rotatebox{35}{\raisebox{0.2pt}{\rule{6pt}{1.5pt}}}}}
{\rotatebox{30}{\ensuremath{\mathrm C}}}% 11
               (
            -[:60,1.3]\charge{90=\:,180=\:,270=\:}{O^-}% 12
               )
     -[:300]% 13
    =^[:240]% 14
               (
-[:180]\charge{270={\raisebox{1pt}{\scalebox{3}{\color{blue}$\cdot$}}}}
{\rotatebox{35}{\ensuremath{\mathrm C}}}%15
         -[:120]% -> 6
               )
     -[:300]O% 16
           -% 17
               (
         -[:260]% 18
               )
               (
         -[:340]% 19
               )
      >[:60]% 20
           -% 21
      -[:60]% 22
     -[:120]% 23
               (
          -[:60]% 24
               )
    =^[:180]% 25
    >:[:240]% 26
               (
         -[:180]% -> 13
               )
               (
         -[:300]% -> 20
               )
}}
};

\end{tikzpicture}


\newpage
\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The final process is to QUENCH (PROTONATE) the solvent with a proton donor in order to protonate the ring and the remaining anionic oxygen sites. Citric acid is selected as the proton donor because it is a triprotic acid and therefore provides three nominal proton equivalents per molecule. However, I went to tackle this from a saturation/super saturation leveling effect methodology, and will use 1 mol Citric Acid per 4 sites that need to be protonated. The structure of citric acid is:}
\medskip
\noindent
\begin{center}
\chemfig{
              HO% 1
     -[:60,,2]% 2
                 (
           =[:120]O% 3
                 )
             -% 4
       -[:300]% 5
                 (
           -[,,,1]OH% 6
                 )
                 (
           -[:240]% 7
                     (
           -[:300,,,1]OH% 9
                     )
           =[:180]O% 8
                 )
        -[:60]% 10
             -% 11
                 (
           =[:330]O% 12
                 )
    -[:60,,,1]OH% 13
}
\end{center}


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Its 3 successive acid dissociations can be represented as:}

\[
\mathrm{
H_3Cit \rightleftharpoons H^+ + H_2Cit^-
}
\]

\[
\mathrm{
H_2Cit^- \rightleftharpoons H^+ + HCit^{2-}
}
\]

\[
\mathrm{
HCit^{2-} \rightleftharpoons H^+ + Cit^{3-}
}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Thus, one mole of citric acid contains three potential proton equivalents. ! equiv. per each of Citric Acvid's corner OH groups (but NOT the center OH.) So:}

\[
1\ \mathrm{mol\ H_3Cit}
\longrightarrow
3\ \mathrm{mol\ H^+\ equivalents}
\]

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The intermediate substrate requires four proton accepting sites that must be protonated:}

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The intermediate's reactive sites can be classified into four principal locations: (1) $\mathrm{C^-}$, (2) $\mathrm{C^{\bullet}}$, (3) $\mathrm{O^-}$, and (4) $\mathrm{COO^-}$}
\textbf{Recall from the intermediate:}

\begin{center}
\begin{tikzpicture}
\node (THCA_Int) at (7,0) {
    \rotatebox{-30}{%
    \chemfig
    {
            % 1
           -% 2
      -[:60]% 3
           -% 4
      -[:60]% 5
           -% 6
     =_[:60]% 7
               (
         -[:120]% 8
                   (
         -[:180,,,1]\charge{90=\:,180=\:,270=\:}{O^-}%10
                   )
          =[:60]O% 9
               )
-\charge{270={\raisebox{1pt}{\scalebox{3}{\color{blue}$\cdot$}}}}
{\rotatebox{30}{\ensuremath{\mathrm C}}}% 11
               (
            -[:60,1.3]\charge{90=\:,180=\:,270=\:}{O^-}% 12
               )
     -[:300]% 13
    =^[:240]% 14
               (
-[:180]\charge{200={\color{blue}\scalebox{2}{\:}},70={\hspace{5pt}\rotatebox{35}{\ensuremath{-}}}}
{\rotatebox{35}{\ensuremath{\mathrm C}}}%15
         -[:120]% -> 6
               )
     -[:300]O% 16
           -% 17
               (
         -[:260]% 18
               )
               (
         -[:340]% 19
               )
      >[:60]% 20
           -% 21
      -[:60]% 22
     -[:120]% 23
               (
          -[:60]% 24
               )
    =^[:180]% 25
    >:[:240]% 26
               (
         -[:180]% -> 13
               )
               (
         -[:300]% -> 20
               )
}}
};
\end{tikzpicture}
\end{center}



\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The carbon-centered radical, $\mathrm{C^{\bullet}}$, will subsequently interact with the remaining e- in the system to form a carbon-centered carbanion, $\mathrm{C^-}$, which can then undergo protonation. These protonations will produce the two new C--H bonds required for formation of the nonconjugated $1,4$-cyclohexadiene ring system}

\medskip
\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The basic acid--base calculation for any proton-transfer
reaction can be represented as:}

\[
\mathrm{B^- + HA
\rightleftharpoons
HB + A^-}
\]

\[
K=\frac{[\mathrm{HB}][\mathrm{A^-}]}
        {[\mathrm{B^-}][\mathrm{HA}]}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{where $\mathrm{B^-}$ is the proton acceptor and $\mathrm{HA}$ is
the proton donor; their conjugate acid and base are $\mathrm{BH}$ and
$\mathrm{A^-}$, respectively. The equilibrium constant is then estimated
from the difference in $pK_a$ values:}

\[
\log K
\approx
pK_a(\mathrm{BH})-pK_a(\mathrm{HA})
\]

\[
K
\approx
10^{\,pK_a(\mathrm{BH})-pK_a(\mathrm{HA})}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Defining:}

\[
\Delta pK_a
=
pK_a(\mathrm{BH})-pK_a(\mathrm{HA})
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Gives:}


\[
K\approx10^{\Delta pK_a}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{and therefore:}

\[
\Delta pK_a>0
\quad\Longrightarrow\quad
K>1.
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{A large positive $\Delta pK_a$ indicates that proton transfer from $HA$
to $\mathrm{B^-}$ is strongly favored}

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The general reaction exact liquid-ammonia $pK_a$ of the THCA-derived cyclohexadienyl species is not available to researchers yet, so an estimate must be used. A useful reference value for a cyclohexadiene-type acid is approximately:}

\[
pK_a\sim45
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{From a conventional aqueous/organic-acid scale, liquid ammonia substantially changes acidities, and aqueous pK values should not simply be used directly for the ammonia based calculations. Using an approximate liquid-ammonia carbon-acid correlation (from research papers conducting other liquid ammonia experiments,) gives a rough estimate in the low-to-mid $30$ range. For the purposes of this mixture, I used a representative value of:}

\[
pK_a\underset{NH_3}{}(Cyclo-Intermediate)\approx34
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Because the reaction occurs in liquid ammonia, the relevant comparison
is between the estimated $pK_a$ of the cyclohexadienyl intermediate in liquid
ammonia and the acidity of the proton donor. The aqueous citric-acid $pK_a$
values are therefore used only as approximate reference values, rather than
being directly converted into liquid-ammonia $pK_a$ values.}

\[
\Delta pK_a
=
34-3.13
=
30.87
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Therefore the 2nd CitAcid Proton:}

\[
\Delta pK_a
=
34-4.76
=
29.24
\]

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{For the third citric-acid proton:}

\[
\Delta pK_a
=
34-6.40
=
27.60
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{For all three acidic protons of citric acid, the estimated $pK_a$ of the
protonated carbon-centered intermediate is substantially higher than the
corresponding $pK_a$ of citric acid. Therefore, citric acid is the stronger
proton donor in each case, and proton transfer to the carbon-centered anion is
strongly thermodynamically favored. The calculated $\Delta pK_a$ values of
$30.87$, $29.24$, and $27.60$ correspond to equilibrium constants of
approximately $10^{30.87}$, $10^{29.24}$, and $10^{27.60}$, respectively.
Thus, each of the three citric-acid protons is capable of protonating the
carbon-centered anions, with the first proton transfer being the most strongly
favored. The same qualitative conclusion applies to the second carbon-centered site.}


%=============================================================================
%=============================================================================
\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Protonation mechanism (step 1 of 2) of the Intermediate-Cyclohexadienyl carbanion is shown below (Note: red dashed full hooked arrow represents potential other citric acid sites that could be deprotonated):}

\medskip
\begin{tikzpicture}
\node (THCA_Int) at (0,0) {
    \rotatebox{-30}{%
    \chemfig
    {
            % 1
           -% 2
      -[:60]% 3
           -% 4
      -[:60]% 5
           -% 6
     =_[:60]% 7
               (
         -[:120]% 8
                   (
         -[:180,,,1]\charge{90=\:,180=\:,270=\:}{O^-}%10
                   )
          =[:60]O% 9
               )
-\charge{270={\raisebox{1pt}{\scalebox{3}{\color{blue}$\cdot$}}}}
{\rotatebox{30}{\ensuremath{\mathrm C}}}% 11
               (
            -[:60,1.3]\charge{90=\:,180=\:,270=\:}{O^-}% 12
               )
     -[:300]% 13
    =^[:240]% 14
               (
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\coordinate (CitAcidH1) at (3.6,.10);
\coordinate (CitAcidH2) at (6.3,1);
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    (THCAIntC1) .. controls +(45:.5cm) and +(45:.5cm) .. (CitAcidH3);




\end{tikzpicture}
\newpage


%=============================================================================
%=============================================================================
\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Protonation mechanism (step 2 of 2) of the Intermediate-Cyclohexadienyl carbon-radical is shown below (red dashed full hooked arrow represents potential other citric acid sites to become protonated from) and remember back on page 3 that spectating e- present in the system? Here's where it plays its part to form yet another Carbonanion when the e- attacks the carbon radical (Note: red dashed full hooked arrow represents potential other citric acid sites that could be deprotonated):}

\medskip
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\node (arrow) at (8,0) {$\longrightarrow$};





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\end{tikzpicture}






\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{A fesh citric acid molecule (or the other remaining two sites from the previous citric acid,) can also protonate this new formed carbanion (Note: red dashed full hooked arrow represents potential other citric acid sites that could be deprotonated):}

\medskip
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\coordinate (CitAcidH1) at (3.6,.10);
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%==========================================================================================

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{For the phenolic oxygen-centered site, conjugate acid is an alcohol/phenol-type species. Liquid-ammonia measurements show that phenolic acidities are substantially different from their aqueous values. Although published liquid-ammonia values vary depending on the experimental method and definition of the apparent acidity. A representative value is:}

\[
pK_a\underset{NH_3}{}(PhOH)\approx6.0
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Using the representative value $6.0$ for the first proton of citric acid:}

\[
\Delta pK_a
=
6.0-3.13
=
2.87
\]

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{and:}

\[
K\sim10^{2.87}\approx7.4\times10^2
\]

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{For the second citric proton:}

\[
\Delta pK_a
=
6.0-4.76
=
1.24
\]

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{So:}

\[
K\sim10^{1.24}\approx17
\]

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{For the third citric proton:}

\[
\Delta pK_a
=
6.0-6.40
=
-0.40
\]

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Giving:}

\[
K\sim10^{-0.40}\approx0.40
\]

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Therefore, unlike the carbon-centered sites, the oxygen-centered site cannot be described as quantitatively protonated solely by comparison with the third citric-acid $pK_a$. The first and second citric-acid protons are sufficiently acidic to strongly favor protonation of the phenoxide-type site ($K \approx 7.4 \times 10^{2}$ and $K \approx 17$, respectively), whereas transfer of the third proton is near equilibrium ($K \approx 0.4$). Consequently, if fresh citric acid is available with all three acidic protons accessible, protonation of the phenolic oxygen site can occur readily through the first two proton-transfer events. However, after two citric-acid proton sites have been consumed, the remaining third proton is a much weaker proton donor, and protonation of the phenolic oxygen becomes dependent on acid concentration, ion pairing, solvent speciation, and mass-action leveling effects}

%==========================================================================================
%==========================================================================================

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The mechanism showing the a lone pair of the phenoxide oxygen of the Intermediate-phenoxide oxygen-centered site attacking and deprotonating a citric acid site (Note: red dashed full hooked arrow represents potential other citric acid sites that could be deprotonated):}


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%===============================================================================================

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Now for the final protonation of the carboxylate of the THCA-intermediate. The corresponding conjugate acid is the carboxylic acid. A precise liquid-ammonia $pK_a$ for the particular substituted carboxylate is not available. Consequently, assigning a single numerical liquid-ammonia $pK_a$ would give a false impression of precision. Liquid-ammonia acid--base chemistry is strongly affected by ion pairing and the relatively low dielectric constant of the solvent. Carboxylic acids that are weak acids in water can behave as substantially stronger acids in liquid ammonia. Therefore, the appropriate conclusion is that carboxylate protonation is thermodynamically accessible, but its quantitative equilibrium cannot be
reliably calculated from an aqueous water based $pK_a$ alone that we find in texts and literature. The carboxylate protonation should consequently be considered together with the total proton-donor activity and the changing ionic composition of the medium. Mechanism shown below:}

\medskip
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%=============================================================================

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{As the proton donor in this system is specifically citric acid, it contains
three carboxylic acid protons. The relevant proton-transfer equilibrium is:}

\[
\mathrm{Citric\ acid{-}COOH + THCA{-}COO^- \rightleftharpoons Citrate^- + THCA{-}COOH}
\]

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The direction of proton transfer is determined by the relative acidities of the citric acid carboxyl group and the corresponding THCA carboxylic acid:}

\[
K=10^{\Delta pK_a}
\]

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Where:}

\[
\Delta pK_a =
pK_a(\mathrm{THCA{-}COOH})-
pK_a(\mathrm{Citric\ acid{-}COOH})
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{A positive $\Delta pK_a$ favors proton transfer from citric acid to the THCA carboxylate. In liquid ammonia, carboxylic acids exhibit enhanced acidity compared with their behavior in water. For the general equilibrium:}

\[
\mathrm{RCOOH + NH_3 \rightleftharpoons RCOO^- + NH_4^+}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The equilibrium relationship is:}

\[
\log K =
pK_a(\mathrm{NH_4^+})-pK_a(\mathrm{RCOOH})
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Using:}

\[
pK_a(\mathrm{NH_4^+})\approx10.4
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{And the observation that carboxylic acids undergo strongly favored
neutralization in liquid ammonia:}

\[
K>10^5
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Gives:}


\[
pK_a(\mathrm{RCOOH})<5.4
\]



\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Therefore, the carboxylic acid groups of citric acid become substantially stronger proton donors in liquid ammonia. The aqueous pKa values are not used as absolute liquid-ammonia values, but they establish the relative order of proton-transfer ability:}

\[
pK_{a1}=3.13
\]

\[
pK_{a2}=4.76
\]

\[
pK_{a3}=6.40
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The first citric acid proton is the most acidic proton and provides the most favorable proton transfer to the THCA carboxylate:}

\[
\mathrm{Citric{-}COOH + THCA{-}COO^- \rightarrow Citrate^- + THCA{-}COOH}
\]



\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{This proton-transfer event is strongly favored:}

\[
K\gg1
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The second citric acid proton is weaker than the first but remains a carboxylic acid proton. Because liquid ammonia increases the acidity of carboxylic acids, the second proton can also protonate the remaining THCA carboxylate oxygen:}

\[
\mathrm{Citric{-}COOH + THCA{-}COO^- \rightarrow Citrate^- + THCA{-}COOH}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{with:}

\[
K>1
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The third citric acid proton represents the least favorable proton-transfer event. Although this proton also originates from a carboxylic acid group and is strengthened in liquid ammonia, its higher intrinsic pKa makes it the weakest proton donor of the three. Even when the aqueous pKa values are used
as a relative comparison, the third proton transfer approaches equilibrium rather than proceeding quantitatively. Thus, the effect of liquid ammonia is not to remove the difference between the three citric acid protons, but rather to increase the acidity of all carboxylic acid sites. Consequently, the ability of citric acid to protonate the THCA carboxylate decreases in the order:}

\[
\boxed{H_1>H_2>H_3}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The first two citric acid protons efficiently protonate the two oxygen-centered negative sites of the THCA carboxylate:}


\[
\mathrm{THCA{-}(COO^-)_{2}}
\;\xrightarrow[\text{citric acid}]{}\;
\mathrm{THCA{-}(COOH)(COO^-)}
\;\xrightarrow[\text{citric acid}]{}\;
\mathrm{THCA{-}(COOH)_{2}}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{while the third proton remains accessible its K constant point is borderline equlibrium with no strong enough protonation for the 3rd proton of citric acid to protonate the THCA carboxylate group. Yet the first two will. Hence I went a saturation route with citric acid}


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Acid Addition, Leveling, and Mass Action and the term ``supersaturation'' is useful as an intuitive description of maintaining a large reservoir of proton donor, but it is more precise to
describe the effect as increased proton-donor activity and mass action.}

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Adding an excess of proton donor does not change the intrinsic $K$ of the reaction. Instead, it changes the reaction quotient and drives the equilibrium toward the protonated species. In the present system, the conceptual sequence was therefore:}

\[
\mathrm{
H_3Cit
\longrightarrow
H_2Cit^-
\longrightarrow
HCit^{2-}
\longrightarrow
Cit^{3-}
}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{While proton equivalents are distributed among the strongest available bases:}

\[
\mathrm{
NH_2^-,
\qquad
C^-,
\qquad
O^-,
\qquad
COO^-
}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The carbon-centered Birch anions had an enormous estimated proton-transfer driving force and therefore represented the least problematic protonation events. The residual $\mathrm{NH_2^-}$ is also a very strong base and must be included in the proton balance. Continued proton availability drives this
pool toward:}

\[
\mathrm{
NH_2^-
\longrightarrow
NH_3
\longrightarrow
NH_4^+
}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{ After the strongest bases have consumed their available proton equivalents, the remaining protonation equilibria involve the oxygen-centered and carboxylate sites. Their quantitative behavior is more sensitive to the actual liquid-ammonia solvent environment, ion pairing, concentration, and
phase equilibria. Thus the overall thermodynamic picture is:}

\[
\begin{array}{c}
\text{Birch-derived reduced substrate}\\[2mm]
\mathrm{C^-\quad C^-\quad O^-\quad COO^-}
\end{array}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Followed by proton transfer toward:}

\[
\begin{array}{c}
\text{neutralized substrate}\\[2mm]
\mathrm{C-H\quad C-H\quad O-H\quad COOH}
\end{array}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{While the residual ammonia-derived base is simultaneously driven toward:}

\[
\mathrm{
NH_2^-
\longrightarrow
NH_3
\longrightarrow
NH_4^+
}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{ Therefore, the most appropriate interpretation of a large citric-acid excess is not that supersaturation changes the $pK_a$, but that a sufficiently large proton-donor reservoir maintains the acid-side chemical potential while the substrate and residual ammonia/amide pool consume proton
equivalents.}

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Conclusion}


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{The four-site protonation can therefore be divided into two categories. First, the two Birch carbon-centered protonations are overwhelmingly favored according to the analogue-based conjugate-$pK_a$ comparison:}

\[
\Delta pK_a\sim28--31
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{For the estimated liquid-ammonia carbon-acid scale and the three citric-acid proton donors. Second, protonation of $\mathrm{O^-}$ and $\mathrm{COO^-}$ is more dependent on the actual solvent and ionic environment. Consequently, continued acid availability and the overall mass-action balance are important for driving the system toward the fully protonated state. The residual $\mathrm{NH_2^-}$ pool must also be included in the proton inventory. If $n$ moles of residual $\mathrm{NH_2^-}$ remain per mole of substrate, the nominal proton requirement is:}

\[
4+2n\ \mathrm{H^+\ equivalents}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{And the corresponding stoichiometric citric-acid lower bound is:}

\[
n_{\mathrm{Cit}}
=
\frac{4+2n}{3}.
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{For the present reaction mixture, the minimum citric-acid requirement is therefore determined by the proton equivalents required for the substrate and any remaining lithium amide base. In the absence of residual \(\mathrm{NH_2^-}\):}

\[
n=0
\]

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Giving:}


\[
n_{\mathrm{Cit}}
=
\frac{4}{3}
=
1.33
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{With the citric-acid equivalents per equivalent of substrate, if residual lithium amide remains after the Birch reduction, each equivalent requires two additional proton equivalents:}

\[
n_{\mathrm{Cit}}
=
\frac{4+2n}{3}
\]


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Thus, the practical citric-acid requirement is the calculated lower bound plus any additional excess required to account for residual base, ion-pairing effects, and incomplete mixing during quench.}

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{This provides the appropriate framework for evaluating an excess-citric-acid quench without incorrectly treating the aqueous citric-acid $pK_a$ values as exact liquid-ammonia measurements.}


\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Following proton transfer from citric acid, the resulting ammonium ions will participate in the evolving ionic equilibrium of the liquid-ammonia medium. Citrate anions generated during proton donation can associate with available ammonium ions to form ammonium citrate-type ion pairs, while the
lithium counterions originating from the Birch reduction conditions may similarly associate with citrate-derived anions to form lithium citrate-type species. The final composition is therefore governed by ion
pairing, solvent coordination, and the relative abundance of lithium, ammonium, and citrate ions rather than by a single isolated salt product}

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{Consequently, the final reaction mixture should be considered as a dynamic ionic system containing the protonated THCA-derived product together with lithium-containing and ammonium-containing citrate species formed during quench and proton-transfer equilibration}


\newpage
\medskip
\noindent
\begin{center}
\textbf{APPENDIX}
\end{center}

\medskip
\noindent
\textbf{In this appendix I've included an initial book-keeping list of what is needed. Also, I have ran this idea through IBM RXN and included its printout (keeping in mind IBM RXN only provides a prediction when it does not have actual quantifiable lab data. We can see that it predicted a C=O off the Ph-O- whihc we know now wont form a double bond due to the presence of the carbon radical/anion. I still included it for review and analysis}


\medskip
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[
    width=\textwidth,
    height=0.9\textheight,
    keepaspectratio
]{Book1-8.png}
\end{center}


\medskip
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[
    width=\textwidth,
    height=0.9\textheight,
    keepaspectratio
]{Book2-8.png}
\end{center}


\medskip
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[
    width=\textwidth,
    height=0.9\textheight,
    keepaspectratio
]{Book3-8.png}
\end{center}


\medskip
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[
    width=\textwidth,
    height=0.9\textheight,
    keepaspectratio
]{Book4-8.png}
\end{center}


\medskip
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[
    width=\textwidth,
    height=0.9\textheight,
    keepaspectratio
]{Book5-8.png}
\end{center}


\medskip
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[
    width=\textwidth,
    height=0.9\textheight,
    keepaspectratio
]{Book6-8.png}
\end{center}


\medskip
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[
    width=\textwidth,
    height=0.9\textheight,
    keepaspectratio
]{Book7-8.png}
\end{center}


\medskip
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[
    width=\textwidth,
    height=0.9\textheight,
    keepaspectratio
]{Book8-8.png}
\end{center}


\medskip
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[
    width=\textwidth,
    height=0.9\textheight,
    keepaspectratio
]{IBMRXN_Intermediate.png}
\end{center}


\medskip
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[
    width=\textwidth,
    height=0.9\textheight,
    keepaspectratio
]{IBMRXN_Product.png}
\end{center}



\medskip
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[
    width=\textwidth,
    height=0.9\textheight,
    keepaspectratio
]{IBMRXN_Prod_FIN.png}
\end{center}



\medskip
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[
    width=\textwidth,
    height=0.9\textheight,
    keepaspectratio
]{IBMRXN_REAGENTS_PREDICT.png}
\end{center}



\medskip
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[
    width=\textwidth,
    height=0.9\textheight,
    keepaspectratio
]{Precip_Byprods.png}
\end{center}



\end{document}
 
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Well - no references which is generally what an AI does. Because academic papers are paywalled and tightly controlled. But one assumes if it wasn't AI, you did use references so I would appreciate seeing them.

If you read my post, I did provide context so complaining that YOU didn't personally use gem dimethyl or a fluoroalkyl entirely missed the point.

I made a neutral (if incorrect obsevation) so one one hand you claim it isn't AI then go on to say how widely used AI IS.

But you neatly avoided the MOST important detail that as others have warned, quinones are a bit dicey, and provided an additional example which I think is HR.

I think I'm more curious why you would come here to ask what people think as this is primarily a HR website where a few of us dabble in chemistry, but no more than dabble. Aren't there websites devoted to advanced organic chemistry?

I asked 'what's it for?' not to be nasty but more 'why would I plow though a lot of PREDICTED' reactions? We each only have a finite time-span so is it validation you seek? I honestly don't know, so I asked.
 
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Well - no references which is generally what an AI does. Because academic papers are paywalled and tightly controlled. But one assumes if it wasn't AI, you did use references so I would appreciate seeing them.

If you read my post, I did provide context so complaining that YOU didn't personally use gem dimethyl or a fluoroalkyl entirely missed the point.

I made a neutral (if incorrect obsevation) so one one hand you claim it isn't AI then go on to say how widely used AI IS.

But you neatly avoided the MOST important detail that as others have warned, quinones are a bit dicey, and provided an additional example which I think is HR.

I think I'm more curious why you would come here to ask what people think as this is primarily a HR website where a few of us dabble in chemistry, but no more than dabble. Aren't there websites devoted to advanced organic chemistry?

I asked 'what's it for?' not to be nasty but more 'why would I plow though a lot of PREDICTED' reactions? We each only have a finite time-span so is it validation you seek? I honestly don't know, so I asked.
i included my references in the thesis
where is the quinone containing two endocyclic double bonds and two exocyclic carbonyl (C=O) groups anywhere in my research or any byproduct potential

draw it for me, i know of two major byproducts from this for sure but none of the quinone stuff applies here bcuz had there been a hydroxyl or carbonyl id lean towards agreeing with ya quinone statement - but this stuff (liquid ammonia and citric acid etc) isnt gonna grab O2 from the atmosphere, break the covalent bond, reform that covalent bond on the now defunt aromatic ring, cleave the other hydrogen off that was there at the 4th para postition of that central ring, and now create a covalent bond with C=O
Thats not gonna happen that doesnt fit the energy bill, activation energies dont agree with your quinone here - besides where did ya get that other oxygen atom

I gave you citric acid, liquid ammonia, thc oils
 
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Obviously in the case of a hard science those would typically be DOI numbers or the journal name, year and volume number along with the name of the authors, name of the article and the page(s) you refer to.

[IGNORE]
smh is not forming a double bond (i explicitly stated i disagreed with ibm rxn in my thesis)
I thought about yur quinone potential, and maybe during the deprotonation of the Ph-OH would leave ArPh-O- with 3 lone pair groups (thinking ammonia gonna rip weeds Ph-OH hydrogen off leaving Ph-O-) then it could form at 4th position para to Ph-O- another double bond from that left over PhO- lone pair (two are "locked" per se)
But it wont and IBM RXN is wrong imho and quinone is too
Because, lets assume in the lithium ammonia reduction environment , the thca is all deprotonated and that ring carboradicalized
So now its Ph-O-
The THCA phenolic ring is ruined of its aromaticity its now a cyclohexadienyl intermediate
The erngy required for the now defunct ArPh-O- to allow its single avail lone pair of e- to FORM (this requires energy) pi bonds and restore aromaticity to the cyclohexadienyl ring so its back to the benzene phenolic carbonyl Ph=O is absurd

But ya bring a good point: we can deduce a) it wont form two OH nor two O para to each other so no quinone, b) we know it wont re-aromatice the ring from cyclohex back to phenolic
c) this Chd=O double bond formation of final product opposed to Chd-OH (after protonation with citric acid) is the one thing im not sure of and ya brought a good point there

but if i turn towards similar birch products and from the text and literature it doesnt form pi bond C=O, ie, PSE -> Meth -> CMP (cyclohexadienyl form of methamphetamine from too pmuch protonation too much lithium) no pi bond formation https://www.researchgate.net/figure...edrine-methamphetamine-and-1-1_fig1_324552028
anywhere in any texts, but find me burch reduced pi bond forming reaction and ill look into it

One these days ill see and create this and send it oft to a lab for anlysis somewhere and post results
 
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This is some dangerous, irresponsible shit. And that's me saying this. @Skorpio @paranoid android You guys should not be okay with this awful fucking AI slop of a post that demonstrates a lack of chemical understanding and an author who is dangerously confident about self-testing, basing it in part on the absolute wrong interpretation of Dr. Shulgin's work. Even within those parameters, Shulgin used safety standards and could guess with a good degree of accuracy which phenethylamine and tryptamines would be active. Unlike our deluded author, Dr. Shulgin was accepted to Harvard at 16 before joining the Navy because: WWII. He returned to California and earned his PhD in biochemistry from the University of California, Berkeley. Later Shasha completed post-doctoral work in psychiatry and pharmacology at University of California, San Francisco.

@jmc31337 This reads like someone familiar with the lithium/ammonia reduction used in clandestine methamphetamine synthesis extrapolating that chemistry to THCA, then using computational tools to dress up the speculation as a viable synthetic proposal. The problem is that a plausible-looking reaction mechanism doesn't establish chemoselectivity, product identity, or even whether the desired compound can be isolated. And retaining a cannabinoid scaffold tells us virtually nothing about CB1 activity, blood-brain barrier penetration, or toxicity.

I watched Shulgin in his Dirty Pictures movie, do over 120+ compounds, and not die - the body is a resilient organism
What's particularly concerning is your increasing confidence in self-experimentation despite having no analytical confirmation, pharmacological data, or toxicological evidence. Invoking Shulgin's survival or the supposed resilience of the human body isn't a scientific safety assessment. That is straight-up crazy talk. You might think the body is resilient, but trust me: there are poisons out there that will kill the fucking shit out of you. Stop being foolish.

There's nothing wrong with exploring speculative chemistry, but presenting computational conjecture with the appearance of scientific authority can be misleading, to put it nicely. On a harm-reduction forum, that distinction matters. You've generated a (weak) hypothesis, not validated a synthesis, discovered a psychoactive cannabinoid, or established anything about its safety. I know this because you're overlooking some fairly fundamental chemistry here.

Like for example, the lithium/ammonia reduction of ephedrine to methamphetamine is a reductive deoxygenation, not a classical Birch dearomatization. Sharing reducing conditions doesn't mean the reactions are mechanistically interchangeable. More importantly, THCA contains a phenolic hydroxyl group that complicates your entire proposal. Phenols are notoriously poor Birch substrates because phenoxide formation strongly disfavors aromatic-ring reduction. That's a documented limitation of the reaction, not some minor consideration. Personally, I think this would fail.

There's also a glaring error in your acid–base discussion: THCA has one carboxylic acid group, not two. The two oxygens of a carboxylate are resonance-equivalent sites, not independently protonatable carboxylate groups. Your proposed successive protonations producing THCA-(COOH)₂ are chemically nonsense.

You also haven't established the regioselectivity of the proposed reduction, accounted for competing reactions, or demonstrated that the desired cyclohexadiene would actually form. IBM RXN predictions and elaborate curved-arrow diagrams aren't substitutes for experimental characterization.

Pharmacologically, retaining much of the cannabinoid scaffold doesn't establish CB1 affinity, agonist efficacy, or blood-brain barrier penetration. THCA's ionizable carboxyl group is particularly relevant to that last point. And dismissing quinone-related toxicity because you don't see a quinone in your proposed reaction products misses the distinction between synthetic chemistry and oxidative metabolism.

What concerns me most is that you're discussing human self-experimentation with a hypothetical, analytically unverified compound while treating computational predictions as though they constitute chemical validation.

This is a harm-reduction forum. Speculative chemistry is perfectly legitimate, but speculation dressed up as established science, particularly when accompanied by enthusiasm for self-testing, is not something anyone should promote on Bluelight. Tighten up.
 
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