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Harm Reduction That's it im cutting this thing out need advise.

vagueblur said:
As much of this thread makes my skin crawl, (and I hope fatkid paramedic doesn't go through with this), I think asking about it IS harm reduction.

Correct me if I'm wrong - this site is about people using drugs despite the risks, and others providing a resource to minimise those risks/harm.

Well our friend fatkid paramedic is telling us he's going to cut the implant out (*shudder*), despite the risks, and he's asking for advice on how to minimise those risks.

Isn't telling him not to do it and go see a doctor the equivalent to saying "don't do drugs"?
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not at all

check out this thread about another guy wanting to cut out his implant and have a read of what everyone says. by the way, the guy in that thread didn't go through with it, BL talked some sense into. that is harm reduction

he's wanting to cut out the implant, that is doing harm
 
there are other things you can do to get sleep!!!

good point vague, but if someone needs to know how to swallow a knife with the least complications i don't think we'd do that... unless it was a hypothetical intellectual discussion :)

but i'm not a doctor. i don't know anything about digging it up. it takes a surgical procedure to get it in, and there's gonna be quite some pain and scarring and blood if you try to do it on your own. how long is the medical procedure itself? how do they anesthetize?
 
DynoSpec said:
hes trying to hurt himself, to take something his doctor put in him out.

this is harm
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any of us drinking alcohol are quite hurting ourselves. same with stim users and many other drug categories. they can still ask for risk minimization

i agree that this should stay open and if he really wants to do it we should help him. i'd rather improve his chances of living by as much as possible. i guess i also agree that this is harm reduction, since there are many replies suggesting ways to reduce harm

but seriously, don't fucking do it! there are other things you can do to change your mood and somnolence. overall if you want to reduce harm you should just get addicted to sleeping pills rather than risk death!

you know how after a week of daily heroin it's not nearly as good? well after a week or couple weeks of naltrexone your body will have adjusted just like it adjusts to heroin. you'll feel it less and less
 
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here is an idea... if you are absolutley 100 percent hellbent on doing this... drive your car to the emergency room parking lot, do it in your car, and then run into the ER as quickly as possible and tell them you were stabbed or something... yeah like the other guy said lidocaine patch might numb it up somewhat, but your still gonna feel lots of pain
 
leftwing said:
not at all

check out this thread about another guy wanting to cut out his implant and have a read of what everyone says. by the way, the guy in that thread didn't go through with it, BL talked some sense into. that is harm reduction

he's wanting to cut out the implant, that is doing harm
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Agreed.

Reading that thread I'm glad it had a happy ending... but fatkid seems a lot more serious about this.

There are guides on extracting and shooting fentanyl and guides on safe IV procedure, why not offer advice on this? Where is the boundary between harm reduction and "just say no"?

To simplify things maybe we should say that if it's something a nurse can do we will help you, if it a requires a surgeon we say NO.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to be a better BLer :)
 
Update? If you have not done it why not try cutting the stitches it may not be neccesary to use the scalpel if you can just reopen the wound.
 
well, i for one am not going to help someone cut out an implant of their body, it's not in my best interest and goes against harm reduction in my eyes. obviously there's a reason why they've had it installed.

i do offer that they do get it cut out by another doctor as a last resort if he won't go back to their original doctor for fear of them telling their employee.

it's a surgical procedure performed in a hospital setting, not something that can be carried out safely in with a knife, some ice, and an anaesthetic in a home setting. think of the possibilities that could go wrong.

peopele want to smoke fentanyl patches of the polymer adhesive without doing an extraction ; they're inhaling silicone and adhesives of the patch which is harmful. performing the right extraction renders a pure form of fentanyl to be used.
 
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I agree thats its a really bad idea. But he posted this yeaterday so he is either dead or high by now my curiosity is fuckin killin me on the outcome.
 
to quot jc from the link i provided

jc said:
^ Its surgery. Cutting into your body, through all the skin, to remove something, IS surgery.


You seem like your mind is set on cutting it out. If I can persuade you otherwise, I will. If not, I will conserve my energy for other posts, you know what I mean?


But please, think about it before you do anything drastic. The tradeoff is a few days of withdrawal for a lifetime of freedom and happiness. Make the right decision.
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crimsonjunk said:
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I agree thats its a really bad idea. But he posted this yeaterday so he is either dead or high by now my curiosity is fuckin killin me on the outcome.
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he's only posted in the last few hours. there's no way he will be high. it's possible he's taken it upon himself to do some dodgy home surgey which i sure hope he hasn't.

hopefully he will update us soon on the situation and has come to his senses of not doing it. it's an extremely dangerous activity to be doing.

i hope he took the time to read the link i provided.
 
he won't be high for 48-72 hr because of the naltrexone halflife

what happens if you break the thing? shudders

going through all that pain, while in w/d, the hand can't be smooth enough to avoid a good probability of cutting into it. taking alcohol to calm and avoid pain would make the blood thin

shudders
 
leftwing said:
well, i for one am not going to help someone cut out an implant of their body, it's not in my best interest and goes against harm reduction in my eyes. obviously there's a reason why they've had it installed.

i do offer that they do get it cut out by another doctor as a last resort if he won't go back to their original doctor for fear of them telling their employee.

it's a surgical procedure performed in a hospital setting, not something that can be carried out safely in with a knife, some ice, and an anaesthetic in a home setting. think of the possibilities that could go wrong.

peopele want to smoke fentanyl patches of the polymer adhesive without doing an extraction ; they're inhaling silicone and adhesives of the patch which is harmful. performing the right extraction renders a pure form of fentanyl to be used.
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I hear you there man... it's a personal moral/ethical decision to provide advice and while I wouldn't stop anyone else offering advice, I'm not offering and suggestions apart from "Don't do it" either... And point take on the fent extraction too.

I hope you're okay fatkid...
 
I'd try to obtain some lidocaine and inject SC right beside the implant to numb it, if that's not available then ice. I'd cut the two stitches, itll open the wound if it hasnt healed itself shut, if it has you need to either very lightly cut alone the same line the doctor did making the original incision and gently pull it apart. Be sure to use alcohol wipes o clean the area really well and iodine if you can get any. Once the wound's open just slowly and consistently push the implant out. Chances are there won't be A LOT of blood, but there's going to be a bit; if at any time blood starts coming out fast beyond an oozing then immediately go to an ER and tell them what you did. Itll require two stitches as it had before and there's really nothing left to it. It's not like it's connected to veins or anything, it's just under your skin. I really don't see a problem with this as naltrexone makes me wants to kill myself and I completely understand where you're coming from. Just please be safe and be as sterile as possible. I realize it's a bad comparison, but I watched my vet take out an RFID chip from my dog and this is exactly as she did, and it took about 30 seconds and barely bled, obviously youre not so trained and wont be as delicate but it's comparable.
 
Everyone saying your gonna die is a dumb fuck. Like you said its just below your skin, the cut wouldnt be any deeper than if you acidently sliced your hand or something with a knife. You could do it for sure and probably not have many problems. But getting a doc to do it would be your best bet
 
^ you haven't read the whole thread

It's not like it's connected to veins or anything, it's just under your skin. I really don't see a problem with this as naltrexone makes me wants to kill myself and I completely understand where you're coming from
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could be very hard to pull out. skin and fat may have attached to it. people often need to yank the thing rather hard
Like you said its just below your skin, the cut wouldnt be any deeper than if you acidently sliced your hand or something with a knife. You could do it for sure and probably not have many problems
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what about accidentally cutting that nal pellet?

i also totally understand where he's coming from. if i was on nal i'd probably hate it just as much (one reason i'm never doing that). but it is a risk of death. i don't need a doctor to know that after reading this thread. unfortunately i can't help more cuz i can't remember anything i learned in anatomy or physi while in withdrawals and i'm not a doctor. all i can to is provide reasons not to
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he won't be high for 48-72 hr because of the naltrexone halflife

what happens if you break the thing? going through all that pain, while in w/d, the hand can't be smooth enough to avoid a good probability of cutting into it. taking alcohol to calm and avoid pain would make the blood thin
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the suspense is killing me too. post back here crazy druggy (we all are)
 
I agree that this prodecure, although not too smart to undergo by yourself or without medical aid, isnt fatally dangerous with the proper sterile precautions. Stop telling him NO because its quite obvious he's set on doing this, or already has. Thats just advice from some squeemish vajohns who would rather foot a fat bill and lose his/her job than endure a bit of pain and take some precautions while performing a minor self-surgery. Much easier to od on smoking fent as a previous poster mentioned, and many have given advice on this forum of how to do so. I've dug all around in my legs/thighs after being at the ranch for a week or 2 and getting full of cactus. Me and my dad use to get a couple razorblades and some rubbing alcohol and take turns cutting/digging/excising out the thorns/splinters/cactus and whatever the fuck else pricked/stabbed/bit us.
Just man up and do it and be safe, and have someone ready if you somehow (unlikely) manage to severely fuck this up. And keep it covered and sterile after. Thats it.
 
^ It is not minor. Actully it can be quite dangerous I know people that did this and had to go to the emergency room. You are giving dangerous advie on a harm-reduction board.
 
It shouldn't be about 'manning up', this is just a plain irrational decision made in desperation. I hope he's alright.
 
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