tfw Google knows you better than you want them to

[guy1234]

nope but im having to play click the bicycle and the road crossing every time I use it.

google hates tor.

Wtf prompts this "unusual activity" shiz? Does anyone know? Making me very paranoid

Edit i don't use Tor i just get this in general

 

[darvocet21]

Wtf prompts this "unusual activity" shiz? Does anyone know? Making me very paranoid

Edit i don't use Tor i just get this in general

According to Burroughs a paranoid is just someone who knows a little of what's going on

 

[Kellsee]

There's been times that I've had several different ads from brands that make buprenorphrine on the same web page. That could possibly be triggering for someone.


But it goes much deeper than that.

Just go take a look in your Google play store at the titles of the books that are "recommended for you" and even the magazines....it gets erry sometimes lol

 

[darvocet21]

There's been times that I've had several different ads from brands that make buprenorphrine on the same web page. That could possibly be triggering for someone.


But it goes much deeper than that.

Just go take a look in your Google play store at the titles of the books that are "recommended for you" and even the magazines....it gets erry sometimes lol

You know you hit the big time when they start advertising you bupe w/o naloxone

 

[finitelifeform]

You can blame potentially a lifetime of poor privacy/opsec standards.
If you treat your devices like they are completely trustworthy and won't leak information about you, that will do the trick.
Desktops, laptops, smartphones, tablets. They are all a gold mine for today's data driven industries. Data is the new gold, and has been for a long time. Money is made these days off the exhaust fumes all our devices give off. And you better believe by default these devices are not setup to protect you from that.

Put it like this, you might think your laptop at home is private and sure, from a physical perspective it is. It's in YOUR home and it's away from OTHER PEOPLE. But when it comes to modern computing, hyper-connected things and data, the same idea of privacy no longer applies. Your laptop at home is just as exposed as a desktop in your local library. In fact, the desktop at the local library no doubt has been hardened by your local government IT specialists to minimize vulnerabilities and increase privacy and security. Everything we use is EXPOSED. The way the web works these days ensures that they remain as exposed as possible, unless you know what you are doing and you can just about minimize the radius in which you are exposed to the degree that your personal life and all the information that makes up your digital life is guaranteed to be in someone else's hands. None of your devices are exempt.

So when you put it like that, if you are using your computer like it somehow knows to protect you straight off the bat, like it somehow has a 'brain' or 'senses' that it needs to do something - yeah, you will be tracked forever and everything you do will show up and be echoed everywhere you go reminding you of how exposed your life has been to tracking technologies and big tech giant monopolies over your data and freedoms to privacy. Your computer doesn't know sh*t. It's a liability. Assume it has been compromised. It is us humans who rectify these issues while also paradoxically being the weakest link in the chain. An example of that is right here in this thread.

You should start treating the devices you use like you would if it was a computer at a library. Has it been hacked? Has it been hardened to increase my privacy? Does that webcam stream me whilst I am here showing my grandma pictures of dogs and flowers on Google? If I put my USB storage drive into the USB slot will it install malware? Is the computer infected? How would I know? What could I do to reduce threats if it has? What if my browsing history is being monitored? What if my data is being intercepted? What would I want to share if it is? How can I minimize my footprints if so? What software poses privacy/security risks? What best practices can I use to keep a low profile when using my computer?

It all sounds like you are in some James Bond movie preventing your computer from being hacked by a crack team of government hackers. In a way and in today's world, that's the outlook you need. And because people don't assume there are real threats to their privacy and security out there, alas, they get caught like you. And while it's not the end of the world having drugs recommended to you and/or stuff you have searched for in the past, it does expose how you have been caught out and your personal life exploited in a way that a) makes others lots of money and b) makes you the product, the cow to be milked. It's pretty shocking really to see that your life has been tracked and everything you do has been harvested while you naively assumed you could 100% trust everything around you, including the devices you use. There is a good reason why many people call smartphones surveillance devices. That's one example of how naive people are and how woefully backward most smartphones are when it comes to protecting both privacy and security. Your smartphone is a treasure trove of information, much of it capable of compromising many areas of your life and yet, people walk around with these devices like they are harmless innocent items that are more like their best friends rather than selling them out at any and every opportunity should the desire for them to be exploited arise (which happens all the time). Other devices are no different.

 

[Pickledlemons]

^ And now websites are making it difficult if not impossible to access to them from TOR.

 

[prince_igor]

Wtf prompts this "unusual activity" shiz? Does anyone know? Making me very paranoid

Edit i don't use Tor i just get this in general

it can be caused by a few things.

one of the major causes for tor is that some of the jscript is lost so google thinks its being sniffed.

another is that often you exit through a nod whose ip has been used for an attack of some kind (this is also possible and probably for VPN problems)

and finally they have a list of known tor or vpn nodes and ban in bulk there ip numbers.

^ And now websites are making it difficult if not impossible to access to them from TOR.

I think its some of the j script that makes the site think your using a browser and your human not getting through

if we look at

"Unusual traffic from your computer network"​

Resolve Google Search’s "Unusual traffic from your computer network" message - Google Search Help

If a network you use, including VPN networks, seems to be sending automated traffic to Google Search, you might get the message “Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer network.”

support.google.com

they state

What Google considers automated traffic​

• Sending searches from a robot, computer program, automated service, or search scraper
• Using software that sends searches to Google to see how a website or webpage ranks on Google

so they are looking for robots or browsers as really we are all robots that do not give the right j script love back to the server.

ive been to lazy to chaise this down but ........


what else is there to do in a lockdown than smoke iso dope and punch shit in the web.

 

[prince_igor]

You can blame potentially a lifetime of poor privacy/opsec standards.
If you treat your devices like they are completely trustworthy and won't leak information about you, that will do the trick.
Desktops, laptops, smartphones, tablets. They are all a gold mine for today's data driven industries. Data is the new gold, and has been for a long time. Money is made these days off the exhaust fumes all our devices give off. And you better believe by default these devices are not setup to protect you from that.

Put it like this, you might think your laptop at home is private and sure, from a physical perspective it is. It's in YOUR home and it's away from OTHER PEOPLE. But when it comes to modern computing, hyper-connected things and data, the same idea of privacy no longer applies. Your laptop at home is just as exposed as a desktop in your local library. In fact, the desktop at the local library no doubt has been hardened by your local government IT specialists to minimize vulnerabilities and increase privacy and security. Everything we use is EXPOSED. The way the web works these days ensures that they remain as exposed as possible, unless you know what you are doing and you can just about minimize the radius in which you are exposed to the degree that your personal life and all the information that makes up your digital life is guaranteed to be in someone else's hands. None of your devices are exempt.

So when you put it like that, if you are using your computer like it somehow knows to protect you straight off the bat, like it somehow has a 'brain' or 'senses' that it needs to do something - yeah, you will be tracked forever and everything you do will show up and be echoed everywhere you go reminding you of how exposed your life has been to tracking technologies and big tech giant monopolies over your data and freedoms to privacy. Your computer doesn't know sh*t. It's a liability. Assume it has been compromised. It is us humans who rectify these issues while also paradoxically being the weakest link in the chain. An example of that is right here in this thread.

You should start treating the devices you use like you would if it was a computer at a library. Has it been hacked? Has it been hardened to increase my privacy? Does that webcam stream me whilst I am here showing my grandma pictures of dogs and flowers on Google? If I put my USB storage drive into the USB slot will it install malware? Is the computer infected? How would I know? What could I do to reduce threats if it has? What if my browsing history is being monitored? What if my data is being intercepted? What would I want to share if it is? How can I minimize my footprints if so? What software poses privacy/security risks? What best practices can I use to keep a low profile when using my computer?

It all sounds like you are in some James Bond movie preventing your computer from being hacked by a crack team of government hackers. In a way and in today's world, that's the outlook you need. And because people don't assume there are real threats to their privacy and security out there, alas, they get caught like you. And while it's not the end of the world having drugs recommended to you and/or stuff you have searched for in the past, it does expose how you have been caught out and your personal life exploited in a way that a) makes others lots of money and b) makes you the product, the cow to be milked. It's pretty shocking really to see that your life has been tracked and everything you do has been harvested while you naively assumed you could 100% trust everything around you, including the devices you use. There is a good reason why many people call smartphones surveillance devices. That's one example of how naive people are and how woefully backward most smartphones are when it comes to protecting both privacy and security. Your smartphone is a treasure trove of information, much of it capable of compromising many areas of your life and yet, people walk around with these devices like they are harmless innocent items that are more like their best friends rather than selling them out at any and every opportunity should the desire for them to be exploited arise (which happens all the time). Other devices are no different.

please breath my friend breath

its not all that bad now is it ?




we are cool while we still have human intervention.

just make sure your signal matches the majority of peoples.

I should really be putting a vpn snake at the end of my tor and put a nice firefox signature to it but I just can't be stuffed.

then its really about finding a needle in a haystack.

now when we get automated policing and judging then we may be stuffed but humans won't take to computers sentancing people to well me thinks.

 

[prince_igor]

There's been times that I've had several different ads from brands that make buprenorphrine on the same web page. That could possibly be triggering for someone.


But it goes much deeper than that.

Just go take a look in your Google play store at the titles of the books that are "recommended for you" and even the magazines....it gets erry sometimes lol

your onto it there.

adsence is a massive network of websites that all pay to get advertising on other websites and in the google search engine.

by becoming a customer (ie to get your site published in google) you normally get your site with an adsense add in it too.

each site with an adsense add is really just a tracking cookie for google.

all of googles services or affiliates work as one to track and tag its prey.

the best way to tackle this is to use some kind of ip shield be it a vpn (nord I recommend) or through tor or i2p and then

too have your browser delete cookies every time you restart it.

this way there is no ip to trace and no past cookie to verify.

 

[finitelifeform]

its not all that bad now is it ?

It depends on what your idea of 'bad' is. From a privacy standpoint, yes, it is bad. Most people go about their daily lives being stalked by predatory big tech giants and surveillance capitalism fat cats who utilize your naivety and sheepish nature to exploit you for money, power and influence over your digital life. Emphasis on your. It's like me spying on everything you do during the day but it being completely okay. You like to think you have a private life but really everything around you is designed to make you believe you have a private life, especially when it comes to your digital life, when in fact it's the opposite. The only big difference is we use legal wording and technicalities to get around it being illegal and unacceptable and we use things in our lives that pretty much give off the signal that we don't give a f*ck so long as we can consume to our hearts content.

adsence is a massive network of websites that all pay to get advertising on other websites and in the google search engine.

by becoming a customer (ie to get your site published in google) you normally get your site with an adsense add in it too.

each site with an adsense add is really just a tracking cookie for google.

all of googles services or affiliates work as one to track and tag its prey.

the best way to tackle this is to use some kind of ip shield be it a vpn (nord I recommend) or through tor or i2p and then

too have your browser delete cookies every time you restart it.

this way there is no ip to trace and no past cookie to verify.

This is true but VPN isn't enough. VPN only hides your IP address. It does not hide the unique fingerprint your browser exposes to the web each and everytime you go online.
And here is the paradox, the MORE you start to harden your browser and make it less prone to web tracking, the more unique the fingerprint. So even if you do have maximal configuration applied to your browser, your browser now sticks out like a sore thumb because all the tweaks you make will alter the fingerprint and make less generic and more unique. Out-of-the-box browsers will have a fingerprint that is the same seeing as default config will be the same for everyone who downloads the browser, installs it, but doesn't start tweaking it so in theory, the more prone to web tracking you are conversely the less you stand out with a unique fingerprint.

Try this website on for size, it's created by EFF who have been at the forefront of defending privacy and security online for decades. They have their own web tracker simulator which tests your browser to see how much info they can glean from it and how that translates to a fingerprint that determines how strong your protection is and how unique your fingerprint is;
Cover Your Tracks | EFF

Tracking has become so insidious it's very hard to avoid it, unless you go around with an absolutely intolerable web experience i.e pretty much all functionality disabled. And when I say functionality disabled, you would be limited to only HTML and CSS, which in today's modern world is pretty primitive when those technologies are the ONLY technologies used on a modern website. But as a positive, your web experience would be bloat, tracker, bullsh*t free for the most part. No CDNs, no JS which means no DOM storage etc, no cross-site cookies, no endless connections to endless websites etc.
And then surveillance capitalism as a whole is very difficult to avoid also. Here in the UK we have data protection laws that seem pretty robust but really don't actually do with the root issues. The current model is accepted and promoted, despite what you get told. There is money to be made, right? And the more people become just consumers they become just products in and of themselves which means gradually they become the cattle and whoever controls the environment controls the cattle. While it seems great getting access to instant messaging on Facebook it's not so great the prison walls get taller and the opportunity to escape gets smaller and smaller. What is sad is how most people only care about getting their primitive impulses met as opposed to seeking to have their entire being validated, accepted and valued. When YOU are the product, there is none of that. You are telling these predatory behemoths you don't care about yourself and like a rat in a science experiment, you just want to keep pressing the buzzer for a reward even though you aren't actually a f*cking rat but a human being with seemingly infinite potential and the ability to make your life way better and society better too.

 

[prince_igor]

yep browser finger print is also a problem.


so I came up with this.

Is your browser:​

Blocking tracking ads?	Yes
Blocking invisible trackers?	Yes
Protecting you from fingerprinting?	Your browser has a non-unique fingerprint

no problems here plus I don't leak dns either.

 

[finitelifeform]

yep browser finger print is also a problem.


so I came up with this.

Is your browser:​

Blocking tracking ads?	Yes
Blocking invisible trackers?	Yes
Protecting you from fingerprinting?	Your browser has a non-unique fingerprint

no problems here plus I don't leak dns either.

Can I ask, are you using Brave browser by any chance?

 

[prince_igor]

tor browser 10.5.2 (based on Mozilla Firefox 78.12.0esr) (64-bit)

 

[prince_igor]

i like to keep it too firefox if I can

 

[finitelifeform]

tor browser 10.5.2 (based on Mozilla Firefox 78.12.0esr) (64-bit)

Using Tor for clearnet isn't the greatest option. You aren't getting the full protection and it's been known for a while that using Tor on clearnet can be compromised much more easily. I actually thought you were running Brave as fingerprints are randomized.

 

[prince_igor]

as I have explained to a few opsec workers security is about money not if something can be broken or not.

yes there are ways to own nodes and monitor traffic from higher up the tree in server land but what does

it cost them to do so.

the next question is am I of that much interest they will pay the money.

if I was doing real shonky shit it would be on stolen phone numbers in the forest.

im not so I don't

I would not trust tech for true security one bit.

mainly because I have not read all of the source code and understood it all involved in the technologies

that are used.

so I trust physical realities like cost and of course fake identity if needed.


though while your thinking about it what do you know about using tor on clearnet that is bad
(other than j script call back)

 

[finitelifeform]

as I have explained to a few opsec workers security is about money not if something can be broken or not.

yes there are ways to own nodes and monitor traffic from higher up the tree in server land but what does

it cost them to do so.

the next question is am I of that much interest they will pay the money.

if I was doing real shonky shit it would be on stolen phone numbers in the forest.

im not so I don't

I would not trust tech for true security one bit.

mainly because I have not read all of the source code and understood it all involved in the technologies

that are used.

so I trust physical realities like cost and of course fake identity if needed.


though while your thinking about it what do you know about using tor on clearnet that is bad
(other than j script call back)

You can be de-anonymized way easier if you are not routed through the Tor network. You are also exposing that you use Tor which is sufficient for many web services these days to get suspicious. You actually get blocked from using many certain web services if you connect using Tor based on strict rulesets.
That's why onion services exist as well as the Tor network in the first place; to prevent intercepting data on the wire. And that's also why it's so effective because when you use Tor for what Tor is supposed to be used for - using the Tor network - it provides exceptional protection from external interference with your communications.

You are arguably better protected using a significantly hardened version of Firefox along with VPN + proxy/bridge than using Tor alone, if you are browsing clearnet.
The difficulty with this comes down to user experience and knowledge of how to setup custom profiles that reflect major browser configurations, as well as choosing a decent reliable and legit VPN provider, and then sourcing premium proxies to add a layer of protection on top of that. It's fairly common practice to create proxy chains when seeking to remain as anonymous as possible on the net but the trouble is sourcing ones that work, are online most of the time and aren't slow as sh*t, and then comes the cost of purchasing your own premium proxies to add to your overheads. It's worth it though if you care about your privacy and wish to add multiple layers of protection between you and the internet.

One good example of browser hardening (Firefox) is a project like Arkenfox/Ghacks. The template available from the Github repo is an example of a really customized and hardened profile template for Firefox. In terms of configuration it's probably the most finely tuned template you will find on the web. You just navigate to your AppData folder and then to Firefox, browse to your profile folder and then copy and paste the contents of the compressed archive to that folder. When you restart Firefox the new changes will have been applied and you will browsing the web with a significantly modified hardened version of Firefox. In terms of difference between factory Firefox and hardened Firefox there is a huge difference. Firefox on default config is a privacy nightmare (as are most out-of-the-box browsers). With this though, you can easily harden Firefox and get instant increased privacy. Then just get some good extensions like HTTPS Everywhere, Privacy Badger, NoScript, uMatrix and uBlock, automatic cookie removal extension etc and you are way more protected than the average user.

Here is the project page for Arkenfox;#
Arkenfox | GitHub

 

[Jabberwocky]

This is an interesting discussion and I periodically go about hardening my system and making myself as anonymous as possible online. I always use Tails/Tor from a USB if entering the DN.

However then I also stop and try and imagine the ‘so what’ implications of not taking any extra-special care on the clearnet. What if google kept a personalised individual file marked ‘Perforated’ which automatically constructed a map of my online habits matched to my real world identity What is the worst that could happen if they sold access to that file to ‘capitalism’.

If I was a public figure or had aspirations to be one I could see a few issues if my porn predilictions or my clearnet searches for drug information leaked out of that file into the public domain. But has that ever happened? Is it ever likely to?

If prospective employers or credit providers could access that information it might be problematic. But again, is it likely that individual profiles constructed from browsing histories matched to individual real world identities are going to become commoditised like that?

But Google does not make money by selling raw data. It makes money by holding onto that data and either selling analysis and interpretation of it or acting as a tollgate between corporations and consumers. Google doesn’t want capitalism to know your name and address. They just want to sell carefully controlled access to you as a member of a finely sliced demographic and a portfolio of tastes.

My main worries are not capitalism or day-to-day privacy as much as they continue to be law enforcement and bad actors seeking to defraud or blackmail me. It seems these would also be the bigger risk in terms of outcomes that would have a meaningful negative impact on quality of life for most people.

If law enforcement was able to access that Google file on a speculative or trawling basis I’d be a little worried. But my crimes are fairly low level and likely below the threshold to be chased up and prosecuted. Unless of course the day comes when police are able to freely apply Big Data techniques to the kind of data collated by Google and largely automate detection, charging and prosecution. But there would have to be big changes on the Rules of Evidence and the Crimes Act before that’s a possibility.

I feel that for the vast majority of internet users the problem is limited to the annoyance of direct personalised advertising. But that’s about the same level of irritation as junk mail and telemarketing calls. Any kind of serious real world blowback from Google collecting data on their using the clearnet is extremely unlikely.

Being surveilled might be irritating, especially to privacy minded people who care a lot about abstract freedoms, but it does not yet seem to be becoming dangerous on terms of quality of life for most people. They face far more risk getting scammed or having their partner or kids read their browsing history.

Not that things couldn’t become far more dangerous as data compilation becomes ever more individualised and profiles commoditised.

 

[darvocet21]

There's been times that I've had several different ads from brands that make buprenorphrine on the same web page. That could possibly be triggering for someone.


But it goes much deeper than that.

Just go take a look in your Google play store at the titles of the books that are "recommended for you" and even the magazines....it gets erry sometimes lol

interesting

 

[Kellsee]

Is that really from yours? Lol. Is it all relatable?

The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck is always in mine too lol

Thens there's all the apps that seem to have hidden malicious intent. Using words like server, gateways tokens...etc. It's like they are there in case people undercover need them.

Idk maybe I am just crazy lol. But I pick up quick on patterns.