Testosterone cypionate & Letrozole - First timer

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Hello! I have an easy acces to get some testosterone cypinate & letrozole. Dont really have any connections to get any other steroids. What could i do with these? Testosterone is 250mg/ml and i have 20ml. A lso 30 x 2,5mg letrozole pills. Enough for some kind of cycle? I just quit a 2 month opiate binge one week ago and feel like my test levels must be very low because i have zero sex drive at the moment and havent had a morning boner for a week.. How about using stimulants at the same time if i do these steroids?
 
No man, i would suggest for you to not touch steroids.

First you have no idea what you are doing. You need to do some research. You cannot do a cycle of steroids without doing a proper PCT in order to get your balls up and running again. You didnt even mention a Post Cycle Therapy so do a lot of research on that.

Next, you dont run Letro on cycle, it will lower your estrogen way too much and you need estrogen for your body to function and build muscle properly. Again you should know this if you are fucking with steroids. I would suggest you look into Aromasin or arimidex for on cycle.

3rd, do you even lift?(Not joking) Alot of people want to jump right into steroids the minute they start working out. they forget that you need experience and knowledge in the gym. Diet and training are the most important aspects when it comes to getting big.

If you havent been lifting seriously for atleast 1-2 years and have your diet and training regime down packed, taking steroids will just be a waste of your time.

So if you do have alot of experience in the gym, thats good, but your still not ready for steroids. You got a lot of research to do my man.
 
lostsoul.On.E said:
No man, i would suggest for you to not touch steroids.

First you have no idea what you are doing. You need to do some research. You cannot do a cycle of steroids without doing a proper PCT in order to get your balls up and running again. You didnt even mention a Post Cycle Therapy so do a lot of research on that.

Next, you dont run Letro on cycle, it will lower your estrogen way too much and you need estrogen for your body to function and build muscle properly. Again you should know this if you are fucking with steroids. I would suggest you look into Aromasin or arimidex for on cycle.

3rd, do you even lift?(Not joking) Alot of people want to jump right into steroids the minute they start working out. they forget that you need experience and knowledge in the gym. Diet and training are the most important aspects when it comes to getting big.

If you havent been lifting seriously for atleast 1-2 years and have your diet and training regime down packed, taking steroids will just be a waste of your time.

So if you do have alot of experience in the gym, thats good, but your still not ready for steroids. You got a lot of research to do my man.
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I don't think I could put it better than that.....

Only point I might add: Some people are not as prone to Estrogen induced side effect, don't automatically jump on an AI if not showing high E2...!!
 
Ive been rock climbing actively for a few years so dont even wanna get BIG. Just trying to get more stamina and even more "ripped" look (i already look pretty ripped) and quickly get my libido back after the opiates.. and yes, i have read about the PCT and i have some nolvadex coming next week.
 
"Weeks 1-15: 500mg Testosterone Enathate per week

Weeks 1-5: 30mg of Dianabol a day

Weeks 1-15: 0.25mg - 0.50mg of Anastrozole a day or every other day (This is dependent on Testosterone dosage and how prone you are to estrogen sides, do not use unless you need to)

Weeks 17-21: 20mg of Tamoxifen every day

Weeks 17-21: 50mg of Clomiphene every day"


Cant i just skip the dianabol and change the anastrozole to letrozole`?
 
and i forgot to tell that i have a pre-existing gyno. Not too bad but have had a little bit fatty/puffed looking breast/nipple area since i was a teenager. Now 24. Wouldnt letrozole be the best option for that also`? If ill take just 0,25mg or even less letrozole every 3rd day beginning from week one and then take tamoxifen for PCT?
 
First i would stick to a 12 week cycle. The shorter the cycle the easier to recover.

Next your first cycle should only have test. You need to know how your body reacts to it and with dbol you wont know which one is causing issues if they do arise.

Talking about dbol, if you want to rip up then stay away, Its more for bulking and gaining mass. i dont think you should mess with it because alot of people have gyno issues with it. If you have pre existing gyno then you should definitely stay away from it. also with gyno, the people that have success with getting rid of it usually from what ive heard are the ones who catch it in the beginning, Like when it has just appeared. The longer you have it the harder it is to get rid of (so ive heard). GF suggested to me nolva to get rid of gyno and he has alot of info to back up his claims, im sure he can give to you if you ask him.
 
Any more suggestions? I was thinking about starting 250mg/test per week for 10weeks and then use nolvadex for PCT. Is some AI necessary during the cycle or should i use nolvadex also during the cycle to not to get more gyno? For how long and at what dose should i use nolva for PCT? 250mg test per week is pretty mild dose, right? Like i said, im not trying to get big. I just wanna get a little more strength/stamina and feel more "man" (including getting my libido back). How long does it take for the test to start raising youre libido? How about when i stop the cycle and start PCT, will i lose my libido again?

Would nolvadex just by itself without doing a test cycle get my free test levels higher and through that also affecting the sex drive positively?
 
Herbaliser said:
Any more suggestions? I was thinking about starting 250mg/test per week for 10weeks and then use nolvadex for PCT. Is some AI necessary during the cycle or should i use nolvadex also during the cycle to not to get more gyno? For how long and at what dose should i use nolva for PCT? 250mg test per week is pretty mild dose, right? Like i said, im not trying to get big. I just wanna get a little more strength/stamina and feel more "man" (including getting my libido back). How long does it take for the test to start raising youre libido? How about when i stop the cycle and start PCT, will i lose my libido again?

Would nolvadex just by itself without doing a test cycle get my free test levels higher and through that also affecting the sex drive positively?
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Clomid therapy is recommended by medical professionals for boosting natural testosterone levels...

Correct PCT should start with Clomid and end with Nolvadex... (maybe an AI last few days of cycle and last few days of nolva)...

250mg/week would be an effective dose for a first short cycle of 8-10 weeks for a beginner of small stature...

To avoid gyno on cycle use an AI if E2 is showing high on blood tests..
 
lostsoul.On.E said:
Next your first cycle should only have test. You need to know how your body reacts to it and with dbol you wont know which one is causing issues if they do arise.
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I don't nessecerily agree with this point to a degree. An oral kickstarting the cycle imo is no issue, generally the oral will be stopped a week into when the test starts to have some sort of effect. Puffy nipples in 10 days is nearly certainly Dbol. I don't condone 2 injectavles first cycle.
In this case I think the op should leave Dbol it doesn't suit his goals.
 
I'm in the same boat
Been clean aff heroin 4-5 yr
Though still on methadone
But stable
I ran with Glasgow gangs here
In Scotland dishing out violence etc
Now I've a wife n kids
But enemy's from my past keep coming!!
I've only ever done body weight exercises, pull ups n dumb/barbell
In my garden
Never tried steroids b4 but had my 1st of 10 test cypoinate in my thigh today, "only had a 5/8 needle" does it matter how deep I go?
Anyway that's all I know about steroids! Excuse my ignorance
So could anyone tell me what 2 expect n some advice please?
I like the discipline of training
But now I want 2 get big
I know being that size will stop
Violence b4 it starts!!
I'm 34 yr old 5"8 165
Broad shouldered n stocky
Thanks Stu
 
nolys said:
I don't necessarily agree with this point to a degree. An oral kickstarting the cycle imo is no issue, generally the oral will be stopped a week into when the test starts to have some sort of effect. Puffy nipples in 10 days is nearly certainly Dbol. I don't condone 2 injectables first cycle.
In this case I think the op should leave Dbol it doesn't suit his goals.
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Testosterone on any ester starts to hit the bloodstream a few hours after injection, A dose of testosterone enanthate at 250mg/ml will reach a peak level of 50ng/ml in the subject after 24hrs or slightly less, it will then drop only slightly for the next 2 days..... Peak plasma levels will depend on the injection schedule, thats why a front load could be better than an oral kick-start... You stick to one compound.
Ideally on a first cycle it might be prudent to limit yourself to just Testosterone... Any side effects you immediately know what compound is responsible for whatever side effects and at what dose.... This can be your base for all future cycles..!! IMO...
 
Scottish Stu said:
I'm in the same boat
Been clean aff heroin 4-5 yr
Though still on methadone
But stable
I ran with Glasgow gangs here
In Scotland dishing out violence etc
Now I've a wife n kids
But enemy's from my past keep coming!!
I've only ever done body weight exercises, pull ups n dumb/barbell
In my garden
Never tried steroids b4 but had my 1st of 10 test cypionate in my thigh today, "only had a 5/8 needle" does it matter how deep I go?
Anyway that's all I know about steroids! Excuse my ignorance
So could anyone tell me what 2 expect n some advice please?
I like the discipline of training
But now I want 2 get big
I know being that size will stop
Violence b4 it starts!!
I'm 34 yr old 5"8 165
Broad shouldered n stocky
Thanks Stu
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Anyone predisposed to violence, will most likely be predisposed to greater violence when on AAS... This could be a serious concern to your wife n kids..!!
This is something you should be aware of, and take steps to control in their presence..!!

5/8" needle shouldn't be an issue any test should eventually diffuse into the bloodstream, 1" would be better... 250mg is OK for your size..!!

Don't waste time in your garden.. Get yourself to a decent gym, work out a programme mainly consisting of compound exercises, eat well, and you will grow...
 
Thanks genetic freak!
Great advice.
I must have had no test left in my body
As I only had my first injection 4 days ago and I feel great!!
Much more stamina and drive
Love it!!
Thanks again, stu
 
I have been reading for days and am more confused and/or 10% stupider(if that's a word). I have been working out faithfully for about 2.5 yrs. and can't see anymore results and feel I'm ready to go to next level.
I'm a hard gainer!!! I'm a short guy and cut for 120 lbs. I'm 5'3" 34 yrs old with a good diet and taking and tried all types of supplements.
I have tried to find a good cycle by reading but I'm so confused. My goal is to gain muscle mass and to just get bigger. I did use 1 cycle of test 1 yr ago but didn't see much gain. Please help!!!
 
Stangman said:
I have been reading for days and am more confused and/or 10% stupider(if that's a word). I have been working out faithfully for about 2.5 yrs. and can't see anymore results and feel I'm ready to go to next level.
I'm a hard gainer!!! I'm a short guy and cut for 120 lbs. I'm 5'3" 34 yrs old with a good diet and taking and tried all types of supplements.
I have tried to find a good cycle by reading but I'm so confused. My goal is to gain muscle mass and to just get bigger. I did use 1 cycle of test 1 yr ago but didn't see much gain. Please help!!!
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I've looked up your average body weight for your height, its 107 to 135 lbs, this is generally for lean individuals, not anyone that pushes weights and in theory should have a greater lean body mass...

Therefore if you are only 120lbs after training for 2.5 years, something is badly wrong....!!!!

Your training and nutrition methodology must be seriously wrong...!!! If Testosterone didn't improve your physique, it was either bunk, and or training and diet were crap, you will always see lean mass gains from AAS....!!!

Before you contemplate AAS, you need to address both of these issues....

Post up your weekly training routine plus weights lifted, and daily diet (don't miss anything out)....
 
Herbaliser said:
Ive been rock climbing actively for a few years so dont even wanna get BIG. Just trying to get more stamina and even more "ripped" look (i already look pretty ripped) and quickly get my libido back after the opiates.. and yes, i have read about the PCT and i have some nolvadex coming next week.
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OK, what!? You are going to take Letrozole to help with libido? Letrozole decreases libido... if anything try Proviron that positively affects libido. Do not start a cycle with no knowledge about gear man. If I were to recommend a cycle to you I would put you on a 12 week cycle since you are a newbie.

Test cyp 500mg/week weeks 1-12
Proviron 25mg 2x ED weeks 6-12
Arimidex 0.50mg EOD weeks 1-12
PCT:
Nolvadex week 13-16 2x/ED

And DO NOT take deca if you have issues like gyno and such. deca and dbol will make your side effects 10x worse.
Hope this helps!
 
OP, the fact that you already have a pre-existing condition of gyno tells me that you absolutely should not be jumping into a cycle anytime soon. Get the gyno taken care of first. It would probably be a good idea to give your body a few months of sobriety after a 2 month opiate run before jumping into a cycle as well. Anyway, I personally really enjoy orals a lot, just as much as injectables.. It's unfortunate that orals are absolutely horrible for your liver. If orals are being taken, a cycle support is a MUST to protect your liver from damage. Milk thristle is great and helps protect and repair the liver. SWIM just recieved 200 x 50mg anadrol tablets. I wish they were Dianabol though because anadrol causes severe aggression. The smallest thing can send me over the edge wanting to rip a door off its hinges lol
 
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