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- Thread starter Eddy_007
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well sure =)
check this: http://instruments.perkinelmer.com/index.asp
for the very latest in gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS) analysis.
notice no prices. probably because theyre in the $10,000+ range. if not much more. you can't afford them.
this is why it costs $100 for dancesafe to test a pill. it takes some time, and the equipment and the people who run them cost way too much for it to be free.
okay, so maybe there are other ways to find out the MDMA content of a pill..
but nothing that isn't at least *somewhat* chemical.. meaning difficult =)
check this: http://instruments.perkinelmer.com/index.asp
for the very latest in gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS) analysis.
notice no prices. probably because theyre in the $10,000+ range. if not much more. you can't afford them.
this is why it costs $100 for dancesafe to test a pill. it takes some time, and the equipment and the people who run them cost way too much for it to be free.
okay, so maybe there are other ways to find out the MDMA content of a pill..
but nothing that isn't at least *somewhat* chemical.. meaning difficult =)
CARPE JUGULUM
Bluelighter
to the above, shut your trap you dont know what you are talking about! to eddy, you can buy ectasy testers over the internet, they cost about $20 american, all you have to do is scrape off a bit of the pill and drop a bit of the tester on to it, it will then show you if the pill contains mdma or and mdma like substance, or speed or other drugs acording to a colour chart. you can find them at www.eztest.com ok then
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Oh, by the way the reports of my death have been greatly exagurated...
pundi
Bluelighter
eddy: currently there is no easy way to measure the amount (weight/mass) of MDMA in a pill other than through what Roche suggested. I see by your other posts that you know how essential the other testers (E# and Eztest) are as Carpe pointed out.
For other possible ways to test a pill in a much more scientific way see this thread which discusses possible ways to conduct both qualitative and quantitative analysis at home (though they all seem a little difficult). Hope this helps...
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For other possible ways to test a pill in a much more scientific way see this thread which discusses possible ways to conduct both qualitative and quantitative analysis at home (though they all seem a little difficult). Hope this helps...
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carpe iugulum (i hate the j thing, which is medieval): i do know what i'm talking about. he asked if there was a way to determine the *amount* of MDMA in a pill. the $20 test kits tell you nothing about the amount.
from the most conservative standpoint, the only conclusion you can scientifically make with an MDMA test kit is that MDMA is *not* present, if, say, the results are orange. black test results only suggest that MDMA or a substance producing the same results as MDMA was present; they don't even tell you that MDMA is the only drug in the pill.
from a practical standpoint, you can probably assume that an MDMA-like result is MDMA, but still can't be entirely sure that it's the only drug present.
from the most conservative standpoint, the only conclusion you can scientifically make with an MDMA test kit is that MDMA is *not* present, if, say, the results are orange. black test results only suggest that MDMA or a substance producing the same results as MDMA was present; they don't even tell you that MDMA is the only drug in the pill.
from a practical standpoint, you can probably assume that an MDMA-like result is MDMA, but still can't be entirely sure that it's the only drug present.
madmick19
Bluelight Crew
once again roches has hit the nail on the head
"from a practical standpoint, you can probably assume that an MDMA-like result is MDMA, but still can't be entirely sure that it's the only drug present."
check the dancesafe website: here http://www.dancesafe.org/currentresults.html
look for:
Orange Star
Double Stack
and here: http://www.dancesafe.org/past_lab_results/may_2001.htm
and especially the ?pill and no namepill: http://www.dancesafe.org/past_lab_results/apr_2001.html
scary shit ppl
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"ill never try an E" quote from me june1999(and i didn't untill about 40 pills later)
"from a practical standpoint, you can probably assume that an MDMA-like result is MDMA, but still can't be entirely sure that it's the only drug present."
check the dancesafe website: here http://www.dancesafe.org/currentresults.html
look for:
Orange Star
Double Stack
and here: http://www.dancesafe.org/past_lab_results/may_2001.htm
and especially the ?pill and no namepill: http://www.dancesafe.org/past_lab_results/apr_2001.html
scary shit ppl
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"ill never try an E" quote from me june1999(and i didn't untill about 40 pills later)
johnboy
Bluelight Crew
carpe: regardless of what you think of someone elses post, i will not stand for that sort of attitude. it is even more laughable considering how mistaken you were. i'n sure you meant well, but try thinking before posting. i'd expect more from someone from melbourne....
ever heard of basic ettiquete? wandering into a posting group, insulting a regular of high standing, and being completely wrong, isnt the way to endear yourself to the rest of the posters. we're here to help you, and anyone else, and help each other. this isn't the place for oneupmanship. this of course, applies to everyone, and we often do need reminding of that.
my advice to you; change your name and we'll pretend like it didn't happen.
oh and btw, i would have given you this bitchslap in the privacy of email if you had made your address visible...
ever heard of basic ettiquete? wandering into a posting group, insulting a regular of high standing, and being completely wrong, isnt the way to endear yourself to the rest of the posters. we're here to help you, and anyone else, and help each other. this isn't the place for oneupmanship. this of course, applies to everyone, and we often do need reminding of that.
my advice to you; change your name and we'll pretend like it didn't happen.
oh and btw, i would have given you this bitchslap in the privacy of email if you had made your address visible...
bioluminescent
Bluelighter
just a sidenote to this topic, i had read that since organizations like dancesafe at raves were able to determine whether or not a pill was fake or real, manufacturers of the pill who substituted mdma with pma were able to contruct the pill in order to fool the kits.
(just an example:like putting pure mdma around the perimeter of the pill and pma in the center of it, since, maybe, only the outer parts of a pill were scraped off to be tested by the kits)
and that the only way to determine the chemical makeup of the pill was to examine it fully, meaning the pill could not be taken by anybody afterwards since it was broken up/tested by thorough means.
(just an example:like putting pure mdma around the perimeter of the pill and pma in the center of it, since, maybe, only the outer parts of a pill were scraped off to be tested by the kits)
and that the only way to determine the chemical makeup of the pill was to examine it fully, meaning the pill could not be taken by anybody afterwards since it was broken up/tested by thorough means.
stardragon
Bluelighter
They wouldn't really need to do that (how, anyway? at least with the mental image i have of how pill pressing works?). All they need is to have enough MDxx in the pill to make the tester give a positive "MDxx present" reaction. If I understand correctly, PMA doesn't react, so the MDxx reaction "overrides" the PMA's non-reaction. So you could just make a pill that was simply a mixture, with a low amount of MDxx and it would fool a testing kit. This is not good.
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blufluffybunny
Guest
Due to the way pills are made, you cannot have the substance that reacts to the testers around the edge and in the middle..
But Stardragon made some good points in regards to your concerns.
And CARPE JUGULUM. God, do you look silly. *amount* testing is different to *presence* testing. The tester you buy for $20 is for *presence* but for $100 you can get it tested for *amount*
Quote: to the above, shut your trap you dont know what you are talking about!
take other peoples advice into consideration. everyone may not agree or give the same advice, but it's up to the person reading to make an informed decision. Plus, your remark has now made you look even dumber... Roches answered that whole question anyhoo!
But Stardragon made some good points in regards to your concerns.
And CARPE JUGULUM. God, do you look silly. *amount* testing is different to *presence* testing. The tester you buy for $20 is for *presence* but for $100 you can get it tested for *amount*
Quote: to the above, shut your trap you dont know what you are talking about!
take other peoples advice into consideration. everyone may not agree or give the same advice, but it's up to the person reading to make an informed decision. Plus, your remark has now made you look even dumber... Roches answered that whole question anyhoo!