Testing 'mushroom chocolate' from dispensaries and head shops.

[rustbeltgoldenchild]

I apologize if this a "well duh" question my knowledge and experience with testing goodies is squeezing an eye dropper and waiting for it to change colors so I can compare the result to a labeled color wheel.

Is there a way for someone to test 'mushroom chocolate' at home? I'm assuming testing for something baked into chocolate isn't as easy as testing a pinch of powder with your bunkpolice kit lol.

I really wanna know if all these 'legal' what's in the mushroom chocolates in packaging that anyone can buy online with vague descriptions and supplemant fact sections with nothing besides 'special blend 800mg' topped off with a qr code which doesn't work that claims to link you to lab results.

My best guess is 5meodmt.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I apologize if this a "well duh" question my knowledge and experience with testing goodies is squeezing an eye dropper and waiting for it to change colors so I can compare the result to a labeled color wheel.

Is there a way for someone to test 'mushroom chocolate' at home? I'm assuming testing for something baked into chocolate isn't as easy as testing a pinch of powder with your bunkpolice kit lol.

I really wanna know if all these 'legal' what's in the mushroom chocolates in packaging that anyone can buy online with vague descriptions and supplemant fact sections with nothing besides 'special blend 800mg' topped off with a qr code which doesn't work that claims to link you to lab results.

My best guess is 5meodmt.

Those mushroom chocolates in vape stores contain 4-AcO-DMT. This seems to be the consensus on the forums and my own opinion as well.

Others contain actual amanita muscaria.

The ones that say you'll trip balls usually have the psilacetin.

 

[Skorpio]

I wonder if you could do like an acid-base extraction, by melting the chocolate in boiling, slightly acidic water, and blending it to pull the tryptamine into the aqueous layer, then chilling and removing the chocolate.

You could dry that down (either in a glass dish or on paper) and use an erlich reagent to check for tryptamines. It might be kind of lossy, but it should give you a signal.

 

[helpingout]

Has anyone tried the amanita ones? I got some for me and my brother. He had the balls to eat the straight unrefined mushroom cap. They found a giant one and he and eight friends ate it. My brother goes hard. He’s a badass dude.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I have some gummies that I'm certain have psilacetin. Do you think I could do a basic A/B with that?

Has anyone tried the amanita ones? I got some for me and my brother. He had the balls to eat the straight unrefined mushroom cap. They found a giant one and he and eight friends ate it. My brother goes hard. He’s a badass dude.

Some are decent, most are bad and not properly decarboxylated. Most contain ibotenic acid and muscarine.

You should never eat an unrefined cap.

 

[helpingout]

So is the key to mushrooms amanitas decarbing the shroom? Could I do like with cannabis and gently roast a raw cap? Could I cook with it and achieve the decarb?
I’m sorry I have nothing to add on the A/B concept but a poster above suggested that if it’s possible that the compound is a tryptamine
It could be heated in an acidic water solution. The chocolate would
Melt to the bottom and the water would contain the tryptamine then you could send that in for testing. I would say rhat
Method is a good idea

 

[Didgital]

Is there a way for someone to test 'mushroom chocolate' at home?

There is a quantitative at home test kit you can buy, though its generally for dry mushrooms. I'm not 100% if it can detect 4-Aco and will be pretty useless if your referring to amanita mushroom chocolates. As far as I know, their product is legit.

Psilocybin QTest - A Quantitative Test Kit for Mushrooms

Quickly and easily determine the potency of magic mushrooms. Works on dried mushrooms and extracts.

qtests.org

I will ask them if it can detect 4-aco as well

 

[Juicewrldfan]

There is a very solid clear net vendor that sells these supposed psilocybin mushroom bars but they are likely what snafu said and Idrc because the effects are identical imo. They are based out of California. Oakland I think.

 

[Skorpio]

I have some gummies that I'm certain have psilacetin. Do you think I could do a basic A/B with that?

Maybe, the sugar in the gummies could complicate things. I'd try and keep volumes as low as possible to minimize loss and its still not a perfect proposition, but it could still give you a readout. Might have to do the full nonpolar/polar thing rather only aqueous.

Some are decent, most are bad and not properly decarboxylated. Most contain ibotenic acid and muscarine.

You should never eat an unrefined cap.

Muscarine? Like causes hypersalivation and other cholinergic effects, muscarine?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Muscarine? Like causes hypersalivation and other cholinergic effects, muscarine?

Yeah, I've seen MS/GC tests of these amanita products that find ridiculous levels of muscarine, like 2 : 7 ratio of muscimol : muscarine.

Which is rather strange, as my understanding is that amanita muscaria should have trivial levels of muscarine.

 

[Skorpio]

Yeah, I've seen MS/GC tests of these amanita products that find ridiculous levels of muscarine, like 2 : 7 ratio of muscimol : muscarine.

Which is rather strange, as my understanding is that amanita muscaria should have trivial levels of muscarine.

That's really odd. There's barely any muscarine in muscaria. I wonder what the deal is?

 

[Jabberwocky]

That's really odd. There's barely any muscarine in muscaria. I wonder what the deal is?

I was thinking maybe they used pantherinia or different subspecies of amanita, it is quite strange.

When I saw that, it kinda freaked me out, because the muscarine LD50 in humans is supposedly around 45mg-450mg.

I ate 10 of those gummies one day, which would have been around 75mg muscarine. It did give me some nasty side effects, headache, nausea, hangover type symptoms, however, I do not recall any strong anticholinergic/antimuscarinic effects. I feel like I would have felt them, because I'm quite sensitive to those drugs.

Strange indeed.

 

[Skorpio]

I was thinking maybe they used pantherinia or different subspecies of amanita, it is quite strange.

When I saw that, it kinda freaked me out, because the muscarine LD50 in humans is supposedly around 45mg-450mg.

I ate 10 of those gummies one day, which would have been around 75mg muscarine. It did give me some nasty side effects, headache, hangover type symptoms, however, I do not recall any anticholinergic/antimuscarinic effects. I feel like I would have felt them, because I'm quite sensitive to those drugs.

Strange indeed.

Muscarine causes the opposite of antimuscarinic effects. Think SLUDGE symptoms without muscle spasms. According to a mycologist I was on a hike with, the onset is extremely fast (5-15 mins).

Cholinergic crisis - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Didgital]

Also I'm sure I've mentioned this somewhere, but there is a lab that can test these products for you. Not sure if you can send them in though. Ill get back to yall on that.

*Edit You can send them samples apparently...

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