test/tren cycle questions

spykemalo

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Hi,


Ive been thinking about cycling and I would appreciate some input from some knowledgable people if you would so share.


I am currently 24.
My only experience with AAS was running var for 6 weeks when I was 19 (against all solid advice). It was cool, workouts were intense, got very hard...as expected there was no real major result but fortunately no negative effects either so w/e.


Fast forward a couple years, I went through some emotional shit, gain a shitload of fat. I'm 5'6, and I was at 275 lbs (my LBM probably 150lbs-160lbs). I started working out and dieting again about 8 months ago....lot of focus and hard work, I naturally dropped 80lbs in the last 8 months....now I am at 195. It has been getting increasingly difficult to lose more fat....and I keep getting sick, probably due to the calorie deficit.


Anyways, from recommendation of a few friends and some limited personal knowledge, I am thinking about cycling test and tren to help me shed the rest of the fat and not burn off any LBM i have remaining.


I recently did all my bloodwork a week ago...everything is normal, my lipids and metabolics are beyond perfect. TSH and T4 levels were fine. My total test was at 438 (250-1200 i believe is "normal" range).
My father is a doctor. He is not even remotely knowledgable about AAS in an "enhancement" setting, but he is semi open-minded, so I have access to a lot of things I may need.


So my plan would be (if I do go through with it):


8 weeks sustanon (week 1-4, 400mg weekly. week 5-8, 600mg weekly)
8 weeks tren e (week 1-4, 400mg every 5 days. week 5-8, 600mg every 5 days)


Arimidex/acutane/finasteride on cycle to reduce sides.
Clomid/nolva 2-4 weeks PCT.


I would be on a calorie deficit diet. Basic breakdown would be:


Meal 1
2 servings oatmeal, 2 whole eggs, half scoop Optimum Nutrition protein


Meal 2
1 serving almonds + grapefruit


Meal 3
Lean turkey sandwhich with ezekiel bread


Meal 4
6 oz lean chicken + veggies


Meal 5
1 1/2 scoop Optimum Nutrition protein


Vitamins + EFAs everyday and lots of water.


3 days lift + 3 days cardio per week


My intention for the 2 months is mainly to lose more bodyfat, retain LBM, NOT GET SICK...so, based on that....my questions are:
1. Would it be a waste to use tren/test on a cutting cycle?
2. Should I run calorie deficit as planned or should I meet my normal range or should I go higher?
3. Should I eliminate the cardio or reduce it and focus more on lifting?
4. Should I add in clen at any point?
5. Should I add in t3 at any point?
6. Should I increase/reduce dosage?
7. Is HCG necessary/recommended (idk much about it)


Thank you for the help!
 
8 weeks sustanon (week 1-4, 400mg weekly. week 5-8, 600mg weekly)
8 weeks tren e (week 1-4, 400mg every 5 days. week 5-8, 600mg every 5 days)


Arimidex/acutane/finasteride on cycle to reduce sides.
Clomid/nolva 2-4 weeks PCT.


3 days lift + 3 days cardio per week


My intention for the 2 months is mainly to lose more bodyfat, retain LBM, NOT GET SICK...so, based on that....my questions are:
1. Would it be a waste to use tren/test on a cutting cycle?
2. Should I run calorie deficit as planned or should I meet my normal range or should I go higher?
3. Should I eliminate the cardio or reduce it and focus more on lifting?
4. Should I add in clen at any point?
5. Should I add in t3 at any point?
6. Should I increase/reduce dosage?
7. Is HCG necessary/recommended (idk much about it)


Thank you for the help!

Hi There... 250mg Testosterone ONLY should be ok to hold onto lean body mass in a calorie deficit.. Tren' can be harsh on some people, especially enanthate ester if not pinned more frequently than once a week..

At 250mg/week you shouldn't need adex, accutane, finasteride, hCG or PCT...

1. Yes
2. If fat loss is your primary goal yes, but one day a week increase calories to bump up metabolic rate..
3. No, but you should be able to train with greater intensity..
4. No, you don't need it unless you're pre-comp
5. No
6. No 250mg/week should be just fine
7. No
 
Low calorie environment is fine for cutting.
Don't worry too much about the cardio then you're gunna have to carb cycle and you aren't getting enough from your diet. You will run your muscles flat. Test is anabolic as it gets don't worry about the water retention and keep it up. Go with a 12 week. 8 weeks is only good for pre-show.

If you want to run clen and t3 do it yearly cycles don't do the 2 weeks on and off it doesn't work as well. Gotta keep it really low dose.

For a good beginner cut stack I suggest
Week 1
Test E:750mg
Week 2-10
Test E: 250mg
Test P: 2x 75mg
Tren A: 3x 150mg
Arimidex: 3x 1mg
Week 11 & 12
Test P: 3x 75mg
Hcg: EOD 250ius for 10 days

PCT:
Nolva
Clomid

Maintenance:
(50mg Dbol bridge daily)
(Ghrp-6, cjc-1295 w/o dac)
(Clen 20 mcg ED, T3 ED)
 
Low calorie environment is fine for cutting.
Don't worry too much about the cardio then you're gunna have to carb cycle and you aren't getting enough from your diet. You will run your muscles flat. Test is anabolic as it gets don't worry about the water retention and keep it up. Go with a 12 week. 8 weeks is only good for pre-show.

If you want to run clen and t3 do it yearly cycles don't do the 2 weeks on and off it doesn't work as well. Gotta keep it really low dose.

For a good beginner cut stack I suggest
Week 1
Test E:750mg
Week 2-10
Test E: 250mg
Test P: 2x 75mg
Tren A: 3x 150mg
Arimidex: 3x 1mg
Week 11 & 12
Test P: 3x 75mg
Hcg: EOD 250ius for 10 days

PCT:
Nolva
Clomid

Maintenance:
(50mg Dbol bridge daily)
(Ghrp-6, cjc-1295 w/o dac)
(Clen 20 mcg ED, T3 ED)

A bit much for a first cycle....
 
Low calorie environment is fine for cutting.
Don't worry too much about the cardio then you're gunna have to carb cycle and you aren't getting enough from your diet. You will run your muscles flat. Test is anabolic as it gets don't worry about the water retention and keep it up. Go with a 12 week. 8 weeks is only good for pre-show.

If you want to run clen and t3 do it yearly cycles don't do the 2 weeks on and off it doesn't work as well. Gotta keep it really low dose.

For a good beginner cut stack I suggest
Week 1
Test E:750mg
Week 2-10
Test E: 250mg
Test P: 2x 75mg
Tren A: 3x 150mg
Arimidex: 3x 1mg
Week 11 & 12
Test P: 3x 75mg
Hcg: EOD 250ius for 10 days

PCT:
Nolva
Clomid

Maintenance:
(50mg Dbol bridge daily)
(Ghrp-6, cjc-1295 w/o dac)
(Clen 20 mcg ED, T3 ED)
Um.


Wow. No.
 
Tren was the only one I couldnt handle. I would never recomend a beginner to do tren. But if you must do tren, try and get tren ace rather than tren e due to the sides.
 
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