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Ismene2

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Been getting back into mushrooms again after a ten year layoff and it just reminded me of what a poisonous influence Terence Mckenna has been on ideas about mushrooms. This idea that you have to sit in the dark when you're on mushrooms? I remember doing it 20 years ago - I'm sat there like a fucking dickhead in the dark with my eyes closed trying to make sense of closed eye visuals "Oooh, i think it might look a bit like an alien" then I got up for a piss and went in the bathroom and turned the light on and got a massive surge of euphoria and laughter. Since then I've never tripped in dark at all - the whole fun of mushrooms is being up and having a laugh and moving around feeling great, walking in nature.

He's spawned this whole cottage industry of cranks on youtube - "Ooh, DMT makes you see aliens". Stop right there. Who the fuck knows what an alien looks like? What you actually mean is "It looks a bit like that Sigourney Weaver film". You still get kids going "I'm going to sit in the dark and look at the back of my eyelids and see if I can see an alien". Fucking forget it - put the light on and enjoy yourself. If you really want some understanding of psilocybin and why it fits into our brains get a book on evolution and then get a book on fungi - start with "Entangled lives". No aliens are required to understand DMT or mushrooms .
 
Good rant 5/5

I condone using drugs in unorthodox manners. I like to play space games and go mountain biking while I am high on LSD.
 
Quasimoto said:
I think people take him way too seriously, but to his credit, he never really proclaimed to be anything. He never said he was some expert or psychedelic guru, people just took him that way.

I look at him as the world's first true modern psychonaut, but that's about it.
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Yeah he was the only person writing books about mushrooms at the time but he was first and foremost an alien crank - and he's crowbarred all this alien bullshit onto the psychedelic experience when it doesn't belong there. There's so much more to DMT and mushrooms than this elves shit it just misdirects people so badly. And because a lot of people only take it occasionally - because they've got this silly bastard whispering in their ears about aliens - by the placebo effect they go down the rabbit hole too.

I was taking oral DMT every couple of weeks for about 7 years - when you take it regularly you realise it's not aliens or God at all - it's just a way to explore your own consciousness. Totally human - no elves/God/aliens- that's all pure shit.
 
Entangled lives is a great antidote to Mckenna - it gives you an insight into the incredible power of fungi and what absolute masters of chemical synthesis they are.
 
Ismene2 said:
I was taking oral DMT every couple of weeks for about 7 years - when you take it regularly you realise it's not aliens or God at all - it's just a way to explore your own consciousness. Totally human - no elves/God/aliens- that's all pure shit.
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I came to the same conclusion after so many DMT trips. I think the reason for so many similar entities people describe is simply rooted in our neurology and brain maps.

I also think alien abduction stories (which have similar tropes) are just sleep paralysis and hypnagogic hallucinations.
 
It’s those entities that are always picking and probing and criticizing other entities thoughts that are the most annoying…bah!! hee hee
Ismene2 said:
Entangled lives is a great antidote
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Thanks Ismene, never present a problem without a solution eh?
I’m gonna look into that entangled lives. I’m pretty open to anyones ideas. It’s only the people that say something is definitive that annoy me. In the 1980s, we had the Reagans just say no in our face in the states. No Internet. It was Terrence that put a spotlight onto psychedelics. And for all his wacky beliefs, he’d be the first to tell you don’t take anything too seriously. And he and his brother wrote the first book on growing mushrooms in the 1970s. That was a good contribution to mankind.

Though the years I know some your thoughts on Ram Dass and his guru taking the acid. Alan Watts, and Terrence. But you can pluck wisdom out of one of those people, and then you can just leave the rest. And that’s what I’ll do what any suggestion that you can give us.

And if there’s any more literature that we can look at, please post it. The only guy I didn’t really like, or at least could not get into, was Pinchbeck. Then again, I was limited on what I saw from him. But by that point, everyone and his brother was writing books on psychedelics.

Had a gram and a half of mushrooms myself tonight. That’s why I’m up late.
 
JackARoe said:
Thanks Ismene, never present a problem without a solution eh?
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And, it's corollary. Never create a problem without a solution.
JackARoe said:
I’m gonna look into that entangled lives. I’m pretty open to anyones ideas. It’s only the people that say something is definitive that annoy me
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I read one interview with Mckenna where he was presenting the theory that consciousness in humans came from mushrooms and that the spores came from space. The interviewer asked, "And, you really believe that?" like Mckenna was crazy and he answered, "No. but it makes you think doesn't it?". (or something like that) I really liked that answer.

JackARoe said:
But you can pluck wisdom out of one of those people, and then you can just leave the rest. And that’s what I’ll do what any suggestion that you can give us.
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You can do that with any glue-roo, can't you? Maybe even with Christianity.
JackARoe said:
Had a gram and a half of mushrooms myself tonight. That’s why I’m up late.
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Happy trails. I am due, due, due.
 
I think there is some credence to taking 5g in silent darkness. It really is an effective way to "Speak to the mushroom" so to speak. I've only done it once. I was deeply suicidal for months and decided to give the McKenna method as a last resort and I can safely say that it saved my life. It's definitely not the most fun way to partake in psychedelics, and it's not the only way to gain benefit from taking psychedelics, but it does have it's place. Most of the time when I trip its just with a friend watching cartoons or listening to music or by myself listening to music and enjoying the visuals
 
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TripSitterNZ said:
mckenna is a fucking wook. Sitting in the dark in shrooms in silence is a great way to have the most horrible trip lol
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I know of many people that would agree with you, in fact, it's probably most.
But for me bad tripping seems literally impossible, I've tripped HARD both in complete dark with my eyes closed, in crowded clubs playing uptempo hardcore, I've seen a great share of vivid, horrific, convincing hallucinations, and my emotional reaction has always been something like " aw cool, horror themed trip! YAYAYY!!".
Never experienced a moment of panic.
I've been arrested, strip searched and interrogated while tripping and carrying drugs once, managed to hide most of them during the arrest so that I only got a warning for what they found and was let go.
I was chill throughout, and when they let me go I went to recuperate the drugs I ditched and got into the club to sell them as I had originally planned.
 
Ismene2 said:
I was taking oral DMT every couple of weeks for about 7 years - when you take it regularly you realise it's not aliens or God at all - it's just a way to explore your own consciousness. Totally human - no elves/God/aliens- that's all pure shit.
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This is written beautifully and I have an absolutely identical experience from using Ayahuasca (or pharmahuaca) daily and consuming LSD weekly (every six months take one off for the completion of the past 5 partial tolerance brand) for ~8 months. Each of us used DMT orally in excess of 200 times if I've added it up correctly, I wonder if that kind of inevitably leads to this "the subjective is simply our perspective, which is inherently subjective" type of viewpoint.
 
My problem with him is calling a dose "heroic". That's pretty much frat boy shit. Its a poor choice of words and for sure there have been people who wanted to take a heroic dose and freaked out. I guess a "retarded dose" doesn't have the same ring to it

I have read so many kids on reddit say they took or or two grams, one time, now they want a go directly to heroic dose. Its just common sense to slowly titrate your doses up over time, I literally met a guy the other day who wants "ego death now".
 
Viraldrome said:
My problem with him is calling a dose "heroic". That's pretty much frat boy shit. Its a poor choice of words and for sure there have been people who wanted to take a heroic dose and freaked out. I guess a "retarded dose" doesn't have the same ring to it

I have read so many kids on reddit say they took or or two grams, one time, now they want a go directly to heroic dose. Its just common sense to slowly titrate your doses up over time, I literally met a guy the other day who wants "ego death now".
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I think that is because many people living now have a different definition of "Heroic". Heroic now implies a winner who "saves the day", wins girls heart and everyone looks up to. The classic meaning of heroic is quite different.

The hero in classic terms is someone who must overcome situations that are overpoweringly difficult and possibly end in death; but are in some way related to a "tragic fault" inside the hero that the hero must overcome in order to be able to succeed.

It's probably time to get a new term that matches today's definitions and sensibilities
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
I think that is because many people living now have a different definition of "Heroic". Heroic now implies a winner who "saves the day", wins girls heart and everyone looks up to. The classic meaning of heroic is quite different.

The hero in classic terms is someone who must overcome situations that are overpoweringly difficult and possibly end in death; but are in some way related to a "tragic fault" inside the hero that the hero must overcome in order to be able to succeed.

It's probably time to get a new term that matches today's definitions and sensibilities
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I always refer to the people you mentioned here as "fractal chasers", they're usually well satiated with vaporized DMT but essentially nothing else. Sometimes wicked high doses of 25C-NBOMe or LSD have done it, but they never have the mindset to properly integrate so they're essentially just wasting sacrament.
 
Quasimoto said:
What's the difference between sitting in a dark room and sitting with your eyes closed? :unsure:
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i always thought my eyes were closed when i did salvia, but then i video recorded myself and apparently my eyes are wide open... pretty weird. looked super relaxed and spaced out and just sat still. not until i moved on my bed just to switch positions is when the trip ended and i came back to reality.
 
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