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Terence Mckenna and his ideas today
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J2012B
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I am a fan. His timewave was mathematically disproven - and he admits it. Just because he talked to entities and predicted the end of history does not make him nutty IMO.
I believe in "the acceleration of time" as you put it. Everything is becoming more connected and complex. Other than his far out theories his lectures on psychedelics are right on the mark. He was psychedelic drugs' best spokesperson. "Psychedelics dissolve boudaries" and if this can help enough poeple to realize that capitalist society is an illusion, a virtual reality, then maybe they can save humanity.
He has so many good points about these drugs that most people couldnt put into words. Here is an online audio library of his lectures: http://mckenna.psychedelic-library.org/
I believe in "the acceleration of time" as you put it. Everything is becoming more connected and complex. Other than his far out theories his lectures on psychedelics are right on the mark. He was psychedelic drugs' best spokesperson. "Psychedelics dissolve boudaries" and if this can help enough poeple to realize that capitalist society is an illusion, a virtual reality, then maybe they can save humanity.
He has so many good points about these drugs that most people couldnt put into words. Here is an online audio library of his lectures: http://mckenna.psychedelic-library.org/
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Yeah maybe if we drop everything and pop a bunch of shrooms we won't need any of that crap that capitalism has punished us with 8(
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I happen to really enjoy Terrence McKenna's thoughts on reality.
His timewave was proven to be faulted... there was a small problem in the equations or whatever... however, there was a guy who later fixed it... and supposedly nobody has found anything wrong with it... the mathematics are sound as they can be.
Be noted that Terrence was not a math genius... he merely had ideas that more often than not hit on some real material, for the lack of better explanation.
I believe, in my heart that Terrence was not inflating what he 'knew'... I believe that 'time' as we know it, as well as the spaces we occupy throughout that 'time'... is becoming accellerated... ...
Jungs synchronicity explantions allow for Terrence's reality(ies) to exist.
they actually imply them.
His timewave was proven to be faulted... there was a small problem in the equations or whatever... however, there was a guy who later fixed it... and supposedly nobody has found anything wrong with it... the mathematics are sound as they can be.
Be noted that Terrence was not a math genius... he merely had ideas that more often than not hit on some real material, for the lack of better explanation.
I believe, in my heart that Terrence was not inflating what he 'knew'... I believe that 'time' as we know it, as well as the spaces we occupy throughout that 'time'... is becoming accellerated... ...
Jungs synchronicity explantions allow for Terrence's reality(ies) to exist.
they actually imply them.
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I think Terence McKenna was a great, glorious human mind, much like Timothy Leary.
Even if their theories were sometimes too far out or just simply wrong, one cannot deny that pyschonauts of McKenna's and Leary's stature made the most use of the only gift that we each ever receive from mother nature: our minds. These guys pushed thinking to the limit... and fell over the edge sometimes.
These guys made thinking cool
Even if their theories were sometimes too far out or just simply wrong, one cannot deny that pyschonauts of McKenna's and Leary's stature made the most use of the only gift that we each ever receive from mother nature: our minds. These guys pushed thinking to the limit... and fell over the edge sometimes.
These guys made thinking cool
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Dreaming With Dope said:
If you need somebody to make thinking cool for you, are you really doing much thinking at all?
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lol dude it was a figure of speech
i will add, however, that icons such at McKenna and Leary made me appreciate my own thinking more... in that it made me realize that there are other people out there who simply enjoying thinking about tripped out things.... and that sitting back and just thinking when ur tripping out isnt necessarily considered "doing nothing" hehe
i will add, however, that icons such at McKenna and Leary made me appreciate my own thinking more... in that it made me realize that there are other people out there who simply enjoying thinking about tripped out things.... and that sitting back and just thinking when ur tripping out isnt necessarily considered "doing nothing" hehe
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captainballs said:
I didn't say drop everything and trip out for the rest of our lives, did I? I'm relaying one of McKenna's ideas that society is basically a virtual reality, and that is one thing mushrooms teach us. After tripping hard most people don't value material goods as much. Now with that view most see capitalism as a dead end (or even a catastrophic one). If enough minds are opened hopefully we can change so we don't bomb ourselves out of existence.
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^^I know I was just being a dick. Sorry about that. But in my opinion true capitalism (not overindulgence in material goods) is the only system under which a human being can perform to his desired state.
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^^It very well may! But in a free society, if a person is working for whatever he chooses to indulge in (real capitalism), what more satisfaction can he expect if he is working hard and reaping his just rewards?
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Yes, he did mention the capitalism and industrialism of modern society, its relationship to our past, and it's effect on our future in "Food of the Gods." I listened to the lecture at his book signing downloaded from the link posted above (thank you so much for posting that, I didn't even know he existed).
I think (and thought, before hearing him say anything about it) that capitalism is a cancer of the human civilization. His theories are amazing, a truly brilliant man and forward thinker. Of course it would be fantastically difficult to prove his theory of the psilocybin mushroom's impact on evolution, but it is a very refreshing and frankly very believeable idea.
Anyways, thanks again for the link, I knew nothing about McKenna before this thread. And now I have hours and hours of great stuff to listen to.
Peace.
I think (and thought, before hearing him say anything about it) that capitalism is a cancer of the human civilization. His theories are amazing, a truly brilliant man and forward thinker. Of course it would be fantastically difficult to prove his theory of the psilocybin mushroom's impact on evolution, but it is a very refreshing and frankly very believeable idea.
Anyways, thanks again for the link, I knew nothing about McKenna before this thread. And now I have hours and hours of great stuff to listen to.
Peace.
While I think the timewave (I run twz myself), ideas about shamanism, linguistic gnomes & such are very nice, I also think he has some noteworthy medium-sized ideas relating, for example, the philosophy of science.
He once said that in addition to doing scientific research, its implications should also be integrated into the way we live, which is something I've been saying for years, too. I think that in this thread there could be even more discussion about how TMK saw things, what his plan for the world may have been and so on.
He once said that in addition to doing scientific research, its implications should also be integrated into the way we live, which is something I've been saying for years, too. I think that in this thread there could be even more discussion about how TMK saw things, what his plan for the world may have been and so on.
McKenna's philosophical ideas were very profound to me... I enjoyed reading his work, and listening to him speak. I subscribe to his idea that mushrooms were [at least partially] responsible for our very own evolution of consciousness.
I also think that out of respect to McKenna, he shouldn't be compared to Leary (although I think I remember hearing that he was the self-proclaimed 'Leary of the 90s'). It's just that their ideas were substantially different, and McKenna didn't really try preaching to people, or suggesting that people drop out of society and become 'futants' (or whatever the hell Leary called his disciples).
[HAHA, I'm picking on all the pro-Leary people!
]
I also think that out of respect to McKenna, he shouldn't be compared to Leary (although I think I remember hearing that he was the self-proclaimed 'Leary of the 90s'). It's just that their ideas were substantially different, and McKenna didn't really try preaching to people, or suggesting that people drop out of society and become 'futants' (or whatever the hell Leary called his disciples).
[HAHA, I'm picking on all the pro-Leary people!
]Actually, I don't know if he wasn't so much self-proclaimed.
In my audio directories there's a file named "Terence McKenna - Unfolding the Stone p1 6-1-1991", in the beginning of which both he and Tim Leary talk about their roles in the psychedelic community. It would seem that both of them agreed about Terence being the 'new Leary' some might see him to be. But, I do agree that their ideas are most divergent, that they shouldn't be concidered to be the same and that Terence isn't a heir as such in any sense other than it having been a joke between the two, who I guess were friends.
In my audio directories there's a file named "Terence McKenna - Unfolding the Stone p1 6-1-1991", in the beginning of which both he and Tim Leary talk about their roles in the psychedelic community. It would seem that both of them agreed about Terence being the 'new Leary' some might see him to be. But, I do agree that their ideas are most divergent, that they shouldn't be concidered to be the same and that Terence isn't a heir as such in any sense other than it having been a joke between the two, who I guess were friends.
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captainballs said:
Seems to me that shamanistic tribes 'pop'ed shrooms maybe once a year or more collectively, and they didn't turn into capitalistic trash, and lived quite peacefully for many thousands of years. But once the christian church replaced shroom caps with placebos and WINE (spearhead of indulgence), people used other substances in what McKenna calls the "search for a replacement catalyst".
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What interests me most is what's happening today. Like I'm really starting to see "this quality to reality". Do you see or feel anything that confirms Mckenna's ideas or something similar? Does five grams of mushrooms "work" for you? Are machine-elves "true enough"?
I mean if something unspeakable like this is really happening, then we are living in damn interesting time. And finally can we do something clever about this? Before things will start to go really crazy.
I mean if something unspeakable like this is really happening, then we are living in damn interesting time. And finally can we do something clever about this? Before things will start to go really crazy.
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hah I'm pretty sure 5 grams dried will "work" for anyone without a tolerance .... in terms of wiping the slate of perception clean. The "machine elves" were a DMT thing ... some people get them and others don't. McKenna is basically saying tryptamines offer knowledge one cant get otherwise. I believe 2007 was a peak in the wave before 2012, so if the theory is right something noticable may happen at that time. I think Virtual Reality and the internet are 2 main players in how we can contribute to his "prophecy" of sorts.
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I love listening to and reading Mckenna. I think he's a great storyteller and very entertaining. That being said, I have no time at all for the Timewave theory. I'm expecting 2013 to be much like 2012, which will closely resemble 2011, and I'm saving for my retirement. If you think reality will be totally transformed in 2012, just drop me a line: I'll give you $100 today in exchange for all your worldly possessions on Jan 1st, 2013.
In one of his marvellous descriptions of a DMT trip he talks about the elves presenting these wonderful creations, "jewelled basketballs" or some such thing, saying "look at this... Look at THIS!" and he is just there, mouth gaping wide with astonishment at these tremendous things. And they're telling him "You can do this too!" And I think that's what he's doing. HE is the elf, and he is presenting us with these wonderful tales, and we're listening with astonishment as he creates his Faberge eggs out of language. It's either a great big joke or his way of carrying back the elf-message to suffering humanity. Or both. Or maybe he was seeing in the trips what he himself was already up to.
As a software developer, I think the idea of things constructed from syntax is especially interesting. After all, what is software? It's a machine made out of language, and that really is something new under the sun.
But I wouldn't take anything he says literally.
In one of his marvellous descriptions of a DMT trip he talks about the elves presenting these wonderful creations, "jewelled basketballs" or some such thing, saying "look at this... Look at THIS!" and he is just there, mouth gaping wide with astonishment at these tremendous things. And they're telling him "You can do this too!" And I think that's what he's doing. HE is the elf, and he is presenting us with these wonderful tales, and we're listening with astonishment as he creates his Faberge eggs out of language. It's either a great big joke or his way of carrying back the elf-message to suffering humanity. Or both. Or maybe he was seeing in the trips what he himself was already up to.
As a software developer, I think the idea of things constructed from syntax is especially interesting. After all, what is software? It's a machine made out of language, and that really is something new under the sun.
But I wouldn't take anything he says literally.